Canada at war with Iran

[olp1fan]

It "guarantees" no such thing....see Falkland Islands.

Britian and Argentina right? yeah like Britian was gonna nuke Argentina.. laughhhhh

[Guest Derek L]

Same reason every other nuclear country wanted them. They drastically reduce the likelyhood of you having to defend your country against a large conventional war or invasion.

Same reason people some people want to have a handgun in the house. Its not necessarily becausing they are dying to shoot anyone.

As noted above, Falklands war and I'll add the Six Day war and the ‘72 Arab Israeli war….

[bush_cheney2004]

Britian and Argentina right? yeah like Britian was gonna nuke Argentina.. laughhhhh

You said it...not me. Maybe your school textbooks haven't caught up yet.

[olp1fan]

But why does Iran support Hezbollah and threaten Israel? America is pulling out of Iraq in the coming month completely, and Afghanistan in the coming years.

because Israel oppresses the Palestinians, we've been through this many times already Derek

Irans main beef with Israel is the treatment of the Palestinians

yeah America is pulling out of Iraq and Iran and Iraq are becoming good friends again...lot good that 8 year war did for US foreign policy

Edited November 13, 2011 by olp1fan

[Guest Derek L]

its time to put tough sanctions both on israel and iran..both need to stop with its behaviour

So you now advocate direct economic action against two countries? I thought you said we should mind our own business? What if sanctions don’t work?

[dre]

But why does Iran support Hezbollah and threaten Israel? America is pulling out of Iraq in the coming month completely, and Afghanistan in the coming years.

Iran supports Hezbollah because Hezbollah is the party that represents shia in the Lebanese government. Same reason why Israel has supported certain groups in Lebanon at various times.

[Guest Derek L]

Britian and Argentina right? yeah like Britian was gonna nuke Argentina.. laughhhhh

But you just said:

Iran isn't going to use the nukes, the nukes guarantee them security from being attacked by foreign countries

The United Kingdom had plenty of instant sunshine and it didn’t deter Argentina…….

[olp1fan]

So you now advocate direct economic action against two countries? I thought you said we should mind our own business? What if sanctions don’t work?

we have sanctions up already for Iran but for some reason we haven't for Israel

yet Israel continues to defy the UN, US, France, Germany, Canada and continues to build new settlements

if we put sanctions on Israel at least Iran we'll see we're trying to be fair here

maybe they'll calm the rhetoric down

Edited November 13, 2011 by olp1fan

[Guest Derek L]

because Israel oppresses the Palestinians, we've been through this many times already Derek

Irans main beef with Israel is the treatment of the Palestinians

yeah America is pulling out of Iraq and Iran and Iraq are becoming good friends again...lot good that 8 year war did for US foreign policy

So, again, it’s alright for Iran to use proxies to further their own policies?

[olp1fan]

So, again, it’s alright for Iran to use proxies to further their own policies?

you asked why and I told you why, I never said it was right

two wrongs never make a right

I'm just telling you the realities

[Guest Derek L]

Iran supports Hezbollah because Hezbollah is the party that represents shia in the Lebanese government. Same reason why Israel has supported certain groups in Lebanon at various times.

What about the backchannels you mentioned, why not use them to encourage Iran to leave Israel alone?

[g_bambino]

There is enough time to do it right now

Are you now defining "real democracy" as being only the holding of a referendum specifically about Canada declaring war on Iran "right now" (though, by the time the referendum were put together and held "right now" would be months in the past and events will have since occurred and circumstances changed)?

[Guest Derek L]

we have sanctions up already for Iran but for some reason we haven't for Israel

yet Israel continues to defy the UN, US, France, Germany, Canada and continues to build new settlements

if we put sanctions on Israel at least Iran we'll see we're trying to be fair here

maybe they'll calm the rhetoric down

Are the West’s sanctions to stop the Iranian nuclear program working?

[olp1fan]

Are you now defining "real democracy" as being only the holding of a referendum specifically about Canada declaring war on Iran "right now" (though, by the time the referendum were put together and held "right now" would be months in the past and events will have since occurred and circumstances changed)?

referendums can be done within a month..nothings gonna pop off in a month

it'll be next year

[olp1fan]

Are the West’s sanctions to stop the Iranian nuclear program working?

no and they won't because Russia and China won't allow for the toughest sanctions however you might be able to talk them into it if you tell them you want to punish Israel too

[Guest Derek L]

you asked why and I told you why, I never said it was right

two wrongs never make a right

I'm just telling you the realities

Oh, we’re jumping back to reality now?……..Here’s some reality, Iran won’t get nuclear weapons, and the West won’t allow the Iranians to impede the flow of oil.

[g_bambino]

The Conservatives were not elected to majority so that we could go to war against Iran

No, they weren't. So what?

[Guest Derek L]

referendums can be done within a month..nothings gonna pop off in a month

it'll be next year

Can you guarantee that?

[olp1fan]

Oh, we’re jumping back to reality now?……..Here’s some reality, Iran won’t get nuclear weapons, and the West won’t allow the Iranians to impede the flow of oil.

you don't live in reality because any attack on iran is going to send the world into more chaos and confrontation than what the world can handle now

[Guest Derek L]

no and they won't because Russia and China won't allow for the toughest sanctions however you might be able to talk them into it if you tell them you want to punish Israel too

Why? What makes you think the Russian's and Chinese have sense of fair play? I thought you wanted to talk about realities now? The Chinese and Russians make money off Iran selling them weapons…..

[olp1fan]

No, they weren't. So what?

you know how they always like saying the canadians gave them a strong mandate to do this and that

what are they gonna say canadians gave them a strong majority mandate to wage a war that fall within canadian values?

LOLOLOLOL. how are they gonna justify this to the canadian people when the majority of canadian people are against how the israelis treat the palestinians

[dre]

And that goes back to the crux of my argument…….Why not use said backchannels to encourage Iran to stop the development of nuclear weapons and their continued support of Hezbollah?

Absolutely. We use whatever influence we have on any of the players over there to push them to act responsibly.

And if we want to use Canadian tax dollars to promote global energy stability the best thing is to take the money we would waste fighting a protracted war in the middle east, and use it to develope our own resources which would not only increase global capacity and and give people alternatives to middle eastern oil, but it would actually reduce the ammount of revenue available to Iran. AND... it would make us money and generate economic activity here.

[olp1fan]

Can you guarantee that?

you can have an election within 6 weeks...don't tell me a referendum is more work

Edited November 13, 2011 by olp1fan

[Guest Derek L]

you don't live in reality because any attack on iran is going to send the world into more chaos and confrontation than what the world can handle now

Nice comeback…….So what was the point of this thread?

Your first post:

Canada should stay out of this until it involves other countries but if we should get involved I'd rather be on the winning side.. meaning the West

but I'd rather we not get involved in anymore Muslim, Jewish bullshit

But you want to be on the:

Side?

[dre]

Why? What makes you think the Russian's and Chinese have sense of fair play? I thought you wanted to talk about realities now? The Chinese and Russians make money off Iran selling them weapons…..

That raises a valid point. A big part of the reason the Middle East is such a basket case is because countries like France, China, the US, and Russia have absolutely flooded it with weapons. It was france that gave Israel the bomb which is what started the arms race that might be about to shape up now.

Those countries should sit down and see if they can agree to stop pouring fuel on the fire, but moving massive ammounts of arms into a region full off batshit crazy religious nuts.

The way that we can help the very most? STOP HELPING.