Former Penn State football coach charged with sex crimes

[Shwa]

Former Penn State football coach charged with sex crimes

It is one thing to be caught and taken to task, but what is appalling is that his behaviour was known and never reported by people whom one would hope report such things.

Joe Paterno knew??

Former Penn State football coach Jerry Sandusky was charged with numerous felony and misdemeanor offenses as the result of a grand jury investigation into sexual abuse of children, while the school's athletic director was charged with perjury.

The Pennsylvania attorney general's office said in a press release Saturday that Sandusky was charged with 40 counts of various sexual crimes and taken into custody in Centre County.

Penn State athletic director Tim Curley and Gary Schultz, who oversaw Penn State's police department, were both charged with perjury and failure to report under the Child Protective Services Law.

However, that was seven years after Penn State officials received an eyewitness report of an alleged sexual assault by Sandusky. According to the release, a graduate assistant allegedly saw Sandusky sexually assaulting a young boy in the showers of Penn State's football building.

The release said the assistant reported the incident with Paterno and later met with Curley and Schultz, but the alleged incident was not reported to law enforcement.

[bush_cheney2004]

Joe Paterno knew??

Coach Joe Paterno is a very old man, and he is not the police department. Hell, the football players commit sexual assaults and battery on a routine basis.

[Shwa]

Coach Joe Paterno is a very old man, and he is not the police department. Hell, the football players commit sexual assaults and battery on a routine basis.

Are you kidding me?

During his grand jury testimony, Schultz admitted he was aware of a 1998 investigation into allegations of sexually inappropriate behavior by Sandusky, who retired from his coaching position in 1999. However, school officials did not take action.

Are you telling me that he was too old to understand the difference between sexually assaulting children and the usual routine sex assault and battery associate with college football?

C'mon man! :angry:

[bush_cheney2004]

Are you kidding me?

He is...like...ummm...84 years old...and too frail to even stand on the sidelines.

Are you telling me that he was too old to understand the difference between sexually assaulting children and the usual routine sex assault and battery associate with college football?

C'mon man! :angry:

I have no idea what Coach Paterno knew or differentiated from staff or players, just that sexual assault and battery are routine occurrences with these organizations. Is it worse because a "child" may have been the victim? The law already provides for this.

The head coach didn't assault anybody that I know of.

[Shwa]

Joe Paterno, Penn State failed miserably in sad Sandusky case

The legal case is still unfolding. But Pennsylvania Attorney General Linda Kelly said on Monday that the inaction of Penn State athletic director Tim Curley and senior vice president Gary Schultz "likely allowed a child predator to continue to victimize children for many, many years."

Kelly also said there is a difference between legal guilt and moral guilt.

We don't yet know who is legally guilty. But several prominent employees at the state university are morally guilty. And one of them is Joe Paterno.

Who knows. Maybe Joe Paterno thought it was a "routine" sexual assault and thus not really worth the trouble of reporting.

[Boges]

JoPa: So Jerry what are those condoms and stawberry wine for.

Jerry: Oh nothing it's just for my own personal use.

JoPa: Why are there 10 year old boys always in your office?

Jerry: Hey Fuck you Joe, quit getting in my bidness! They're future recruits duh!

[guyser]

Plausible deniability.

Joe Pa knew something, knew it was bad, didnt act on it.

Joe should resign, but Penn State should fire him.

[bush_cheney2004]

False...Joe Pa reported the incident as told to him by an assistant, he was not a witness. The ex-coach was not part of his staff and the AD chose to not act.

Joe Pa did not perjure himself in fron of a grand jury either.

[guyser]

False...Joe Pa reported the incident as told to him by an assistant, he was not a witness. The ex-coach was not part of his staff and the AD chose to not act.

Joe Pa did not perjure himself in fron of a grand jury either.

All true. But Joe should still resigned/be fired.

He was 'told bad things had been witnessed' but never told what they were. I get that...ergo plausible deniability.

The ex-coach had an office in Penn St athletic building, the same ex coach who had resigned abruptly years before. I wonder why he resigned when he was groomed to replace Joe.

[bush_cheney2004]

All true. But Joe should still resigned/be fired.

Why? Did Joe Pa violate state law? Did he commit perjury? Did he fail to report second hand information about the alleged abuse? No...no...and no.

He was 'told bad things had been witnessed' but never told what they were. I get that...ergo plausible deniability.

The rules don't get thrown out just because child abuse is alleged. You wanna go after anybody and everybody's job who heard or knew of such things? Good luck...

The ex-coach had an office in Penn St athletic building, the same ex coach who had resigned abruptly years before. I wonder why he resigned when he was groomed to replace Joe.

I have no idea, but Joe Pa doesn't own campus facilities. He has done nothing wrong.

[fellowtraveller]

PennState should shut down their football programs immediately.

Of course, they have their Brand to protect, one that makes them oceans of cash, so it won't happen.

Nobody there and nobody in NCAA gives a shit about the children raped under their noses and with their knowledge.

Disgusting stuff

[Boges]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef015392df38c3970b-320wi

Former Penn State assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky, accused of sexually assaulting eight boys, wrote an autobiography titled "Touched: The Jerry Sandusky Story."

The book was published in 2001 and describes Sandusky as a man devoted to helping disadvantaged children through Second Mile, a charity he founded in 1977.

According to a grand jury, Sandusky, 67, was a serial predator who used Second Mile to find and coerce boys, including one 8 years old, into various sex acts. Sandusky, arrested Saturday, faces 40 counts of sexually abusing minors.

You can't make this shit up. I thought it was a joke.

[bush_cheney2004]

PennState should shut down their football programs immediately.

Why should the football program be "shut down" for the alleged crimes of an ex-employee?

Do you also want to shut down all the Catholic churches in the USA and Canada?

[Boges]

Why should the football program be "shut down" for the alleged crimes of an ex-employee?

Do you also want to shut down all the Catholic churches in the USA and Canada?

I'm sure there are people that would support that.

[guyser]

Why should the football program be "shut down" for the alleged crimes of an ex-employee?

The NCAA effectively shuts down schools football programs for much much less. Including actions of non employees.

[bush_cheney2004]

The NCAA effectively shuts down schools football programs for much much less. Including actions of non employees.

The NCAA does not have jurisdiction in criminal cases. All crimes are still alleged without any convictions. Paterno did his job, and shouldn't lose the football program because of an ex-employees alleged crimes.

[Shwa]

Penn State Said to Be Planning Paterno Exit Amid Scandal

Mr. Paterno was to have held a news conference Tuesday but the university canceled it less than an hour before it was scheduled to start.

Mr. Paternos day-to-day status with the program could be affected by the attorney generals investigation. In explaining his actions, Mr. Paterno has publicly said he was not told of the graphic nature of an alleged 2002 assault by the assistant coach Jerry Sandusky of a young boy in the football buildings showers. He said the graduate assistant coach who reported the assault, Mike McQueary, said only that something disturbing had happened that was perhaps sexual in nature.

But on Tuesday a person with knowledge of Mr. McQuearys version of events called Mr. Paternos claim into question. The person said that Mr. McQueary had told those in authority the explicit details of what he saw, including in his face-to-face meeting with Mr. Paterno the day after the incident.

I agree B-C, he fulfilled his legal duty and we can all make heads or tails about the moral duty. I suppose for me it's that Joe Paterno impressed me as the kind of guy that would have raised hell over this, would have followed it up and made sure that this guy was dealt with.

If he did hear the details, and he legally has the benefit of the doubt, but if he did and realized that it was never really dealth with, and never brought it up again... for shame.

Edited November 9, 2011 by Shwa

[bush_cheney2004]

...If he did hear the details, and he legally has the benefit of the doubt, but if he did and realized that it was never really dealth with, and never brought it up again... for shame.

OK...but that's for the morally blessed to decide, not me. Paterno was not a first hand witness of these alleged assaults, and he reported what he was told to the AD's office. Why isn't the assistant coach being held to the same (or higher legal) standard, since he was an actual witness (allegedly)?

Joe Pa is the biggest (and only big) name in this story, so he has to take a fall? I ain't buying it until it is demonstrated that he obstructed justice and/or directly facilitated continued assaults by an ex university employee.

If they force Paterno to resign, I'm glad they waited until he was near death anyway. Go Penn State!

[fellowtraveller]

Why should the football program be "shut down" for the alleged crimes of an ex-employee?

Because the alleged crimes extend far beyond an employee or ex-employee. At least three levels of management- including Saint Joe- knew there was somehting really sick happening and efectively failed to act. This group failure contributed to the ongouig rape of children.

That's why.

What is really pukemaking is that it was done in defence of a revenue source for the school.

Rotten to the core.

[bush_cheney2004]

Because the alleged crimes extend far beyond an employee or ex-employee. At least three levels of management- including Saint Joe- knew there was somehting really sick happening and efectively failed to act. This group failure contributed to the ongouig rape of children.

That's why.

Gee...then you really are advocating that the Roman Catholic Church and the Canadian Government be abolished, because sexual abuse happened on their watch, they knew about it, and did not act in a timely manner to stop it.

What is really pukemaking is that it was done in defence of a revenue source for the school.

Rotten to the core.

If the allegations prove to be true...in court...then the university will act accordingly. No way that Penn State refused to act just to protect one perp. Doesn't make any sense.

Edited November 9, 2011 by bush_cheney2004

[bush_cheney2004]

OK...looks like Joe Pa will go...on his own terms, retiring at season's end:

http://www.startribune.com/sports/133521248.html

When asked for a comment, Joe said "Beat Nebraska!".

[blueblood]

Because the alleged crimes extend far beyond an employee or ex-employee. At least three levels of management- including Saint Joe- knew there was somehting really sick happening and efectively failed to act. This group failure contributed to the ongouig rape of children.

That's why.

What is really pukemaking is that it was done in defence of a revenue source for the school.

Rotten to the core.

What's funny about the NCAA, southern Methodist university in Texas gets the death penalty for their players taking money, yet Penn state is getting off the hook. I think a good message to send is that if staff is involved with that sort of thing, slap on the death penalty for that school. Given how draconian it is in NCAA athletics, other schools would smarten up their hiring standards. I think it's a far more appropriate use than for that punishment and easier to enforce than the big no no of paying college athletes to play.

[guyser]

OK...looks like Joe Pa will go...on his own terms, retiring at season's end:

http://www.startribune.com/sports/133521248.html

When asked for a comment, Joe said "Beat Nebraska!".

There was no choice.

Joe knew he screwed up, and with more info coming out that Joe was told "Sandusky was buggering a 10 yr old boy in the shower' it only stands to reason he step down.

Look for him to be forced out after Nebraska game.

And look for Clery Act charges against State Penn

No one, from Joe to the AD to the VP and all others looks good at all. Culture of entitlement and its a shame kids were sacrificed for it.

[bush_cheney2004]

There was no choice.

Then why is he still the coach?

Joe knew he screwed up, and with more info coming out that Joe was told "Sandusky was buggering a 10 yr old boy in the shower' it only stands to reason he step down.

Joe has not been charged with any crime.

Look for him to be forced out after Nebraska game.

Not if they win.

And look for Clery Act charges against State Penn

No one, from Joe to the AD to the VP and all others looks good at all. Culture of entitlement and its a shame kids were sacrificed for it.

If it's good enough for the Pope and Residential Schools....just sayin'.

[guyser]

Then why is he still the coach?

That may change tomorrow.

But he hasnt been the 'coach' for some time now. He gets propped up on the sidelines, I grant you that.

Joe has not been charged with any crime.

....yet.

He may never be charged, but it will be somewhat of an albatross til his end.

Not if they win.

If they win , he still could go.

If it's good enough for the Pope and Residential Schools....just sayin'.

If whats good enough? I didnt mention anything about that.