Sad very sad, a sad day for Canada

[msj]

Yeah, exactly, and that's why we don't know them and don't get to hear about them. You have confirmed it, Mr. RollYourEyes

Well, if you wan't to know more about them then try something called "Google."

Nothing is stopping you.

Why you have to whine about the media and the "cult of personality" as if you don't have any control over ignoring said media is beyond me.

As for awarding the awards - all of the people on the two lists I have linked to appear to meet the criteria by my reckoning.

Not that I have checked out each and every one of them but from what I could find on some of them, they appear worthy recipients - some just happen to be famous.

[msj]

Mr. RollYourEyes

The was used to indicate sarcasm in my post.

The point is that many non-famous people are getting the nod from the GG which goes against your cult of personality theory.

But people like you are only focusing on what the media are reporting, rather than the awards themselves going to a variety of different people.

Kinda strange for you to go on about any sort of cult of personality when it is you who is focussing only on the famous personalities at the exclusion of all of the other worthy recipients.

[Guest Manny]

The point is that many non-famous people are getting the nod from the GG which goes against your cult of personality theory.

But people like you are only focusing on what the media are reporting, rather than the awards themselves going to a variety of different people.

Kinda strange for you to go on about any sort of cult of personality when it is you who is focussing only on the famous personalities at the exclusion of all of the other worthy recipients.

No the real point is how the media feeds us the hype. t's in the headlines, the opening paragraphs. It's only if you scroll down and read the whole article, and then go look up things on google that you get the full story. If you don't get that, you have no idea how propaganda works.

Even choosing these celebrities just because they did some charity work is BS. You have any idea how many good people are doing things for their community all the time, without recompense or recognition? No, of course not. People like you don't know about that.

[g_bambino]

Even choosing these celebrities just because they did some charity work is BS. You have any idea how many good people are doing things for their community all the time, without recompense or recognition? No.

This statement rests on the assumption that the charity work done by people who are celebrities is less or less influential than that which is done by people who aren't celebrities. Yet, by your own admission, you don't know just how much good "average" people are doing for their communities, thus leaving you unable to make the comparison you just did.

Regardless, the Advisory Council for the Order of Canada does not seek out individuals for appointment; those who are admitted must have first been nominated. If there's someone in your community who you think deserves honour from the Crown, submit their name to Rideau Hall.

[Wilber]

This statement rests on the assumption that the charity work done by people who are celebrities is less or less influential than that which is done by people who aren't celebrities. Yet, by your own admission, you don't know just how much good "average" people are doing for their communities, thus leaving you unable to make the comparison you just did.

I think these people using their celebrity in support of charities allows them to have a far greater effect than most people could do on an individual basis or they themselves could do on an anonymous basis.

[msj]

No the real point is how the media feeds us the hype. t's in the headlines, the opening paragraphs. It's only if you scroll down and read the whole article, and then go look up things on google that you get the full story. If you don't get that, you have no idea how propaganda works.

I prefer to read the GG's page showing the recipients rather than read the spin that the media puts on it.

If you don't like the "propaganda" then stop reading it.

Even choosing these celebrities just because they did some charity work is BS. You have any idea how many good people are doing things for their community all the time, without recompense or recognition? No, of course not. People like you don't know about that.

I volunteer on a regular basis. In fact, by the end of today I will already have contributed about 9 hours of service this month. By November 13 I will have contributed about 40 hours (it's a busy month).

I know full well that if I was a handsome famous person rather than a plain tax accountant I would be able to do far more for the causes I serve.

But I bring to the table what meager talents I have and do not to get jealous over the attention those type of people get.

Maybe you should try it sometime.

[noahbody]

I'd like the order of canada to mean great accomplishment.

They should probably rename it to the Order of Juno. But really, it's not a surprise. We have celebrated mediocre TV for years and every week there's a Most Outstanding Canadian award given out in the CFL, a league that doesn't allow teams to fill it's roster with the best players available.

[msj]

They should probably rename it to the Order of Juno. But really, it's not a surprise.

Actually, if you were to follow one of the many links already provided to two lists of recipients you would know just how stupid your comment really is.

Most people receiving the order are not famous.

The media focuses on the famous ones because they are famous.

Then people whine about the vicious circle of the media feeding the famous (and vice versa) while seemingly being oblivious to their own role in it.

It's quite amusing, really.

[cybercoma]

I spent 25 years working with other people's kids in sports and never got paid a cent for my time nor did I ask for any, in fact I spent thousands of my own money doing it...where's my order of canada!...oh wait I know! I failed to be a mediocre comedian or an almost successful hockey player...

This is just my problem with this award. Something those people do that hundreds if not thousands of other Canadians do as well, gets rewarded with one of the highest forms of recognition our country has. The only reason they're getting it is that they're more noticeable to the public because of the nature of their professions. It's ridiculous. They're only in there to bring attention to the ceremony, but most people aren't going to look beyond those few people to see the true accomplishments of the other 35 awardees.

[cybercoma]

Not really, since there can only be 165 living Companions at one time.

This makes me even more angry that those guys are taking up spots. :angry:

[cybercoma]

Maybe you'll get in if you ever do anything that gets noticed enough to allow you in.

You know what's a good way to get noticed? Have a profession that has celebrity, like a hockey player or comedian.

[cybercoma]

those who are admitted must have first been nominated.

So it's part popularity contest. You know who's disproportionately popular? Celebrities.

[Guest Manny]

The media focuses on the famous ones because they are famous.

Then people whine about the vicious circle of the media feeding the famous (and vice versa) while seemingly being oblivious to their own role in it.

It's quite amusing, really.

Glad you like it but I criticize the media, because they are whores who pander to the dollar, and since the vast majority of dunderheads are stimulated by gross outs and celeb news, they fully exploit this. Thus stupidity is compounded in a vicious cycle, including the appointment of a certain number of celebrities to give the event a higher public profile.

Oh yeah, in your signature:

They all err - Muslims, Jews,

Christians, and Zoroastrians.

Humanity follows two worldwide sects:

One, man intelligent without religion,

The second, religious without intellect.

Abul Ala al-Ma'arri

Abu forgets how many of those without religion lack real intelligence, and those with religion who have it. They don't all err, but Abu does

[dre]

This is just my problem with this award. Something those people do that hundreds if not thousands of other Canadians do as well, gets rewarded with one of the highest forms of recognition our country has. The only reason they're getting it is that they're more noticeable to the public because of the nature of their professions. It's ridiculous. They're only in there to bring attention to the ceremony, but most people aren't going to look beyond those few people to see the true accomplishments of the other 35 awardees.

All of these national awards get used in part for celebrities and elites to celebrate their narcisistic vision of themselves, and to foster public idolitry of elites.

Its not just Canada. Back in the old days Knights were warriors that protected the realm.

Today?

Sir Sean Connery.

Sir Roger Moore.

Sir Bob Geldof.

Sir Mick Jagger.

Sir Bono.

Sir Antony Hopkins.

These knights couldnt protect the realm from a one legged goat.

Ceremonies attended by commoners to honor the nobles and lords are a time honored tradition.

Edited November 5, 2011 by dre

[g_bambino]

So it's part popularity contest.

Please explain.

[Guest Manny]

Ceremonies attended by commoners to honor the nobles and lords are a time honored tradition.

Indeed, it is where you will find the likes of msj, genuflecting before his overlords... and calling us hypocrites for not doing likewise.

[g_bambino]

This makes me even more angry that those guys are taking up spots. :angry:

None were made Companions. Have you bothered to check any facts at all before getting angry?

[g_bambino]

All of these national awards get used in part for celebrities and elites to celebrate their narcisistic vision of themselves...

Celebrities have no role in the process of appointment to the Order of Canada.

[cybercoma]

None were made Companions. Have you bothered to check any facts at all before getting angry?

I'm all about the sound and fury sometimes, you know.

[g_bambino]

I'm all about the sound and fury sometimes, you know.

Well, so long as it's of the Shakespearian variety that signifies nothing, I guess we're good.

[msj]

Glad you like it but I criticize the media, because they are whores who pander to the dollar, and since the vast majority of dunderheads are stimulated by gross outs and celeb news, they fully exploit this. Thus stupidity is compounded in a vicious cycle, including the appointment of a certain number of celebrities to give the event a higher public profile.

I guess you would know since you pay such rapt attention to said whores.

Oh yeah, in your signature:

They all err - Muslims, Jews,

Christians, and Zoroastrians.

Humanity follows two worldwide sects:

One, man intelligent without religion,

The second, religious without intellect.

Abul Ala al-Ma'arri

Abu forgets how many of those without religion lack real intelligence, and those with religion who have it. They don't all err, but Abu does

Oh, I agree that there are some people who believe who are intelligent and some who don't believe who aren't.

The point of the quote is to show that even people one would expect to be "Muslim" (if only because of one's name) can be an atheist.

And, of course, what he says is about 98% right.

[wyly]

They're only in there to bring attention to the ceremony, but most people aren't going to look beyond those few people to see the true accomplishments of the other 35 awardees.

there were others who were actually deserving who also got awards?...never would've guessed that from all the attention focused on the shallow media whores on the news...that and the fact that minor celebrities get awards for being celebrities is what reduces the value of the order of canada to zero...

[Smallc]

the fact that minor celebrities get awards for being celebrities is what reduces the value of the order of canada to zero...

Since that isn't true, I don't see how it can be a fact. No one got an Order of Canada for simply being famous.

[msj]

there were others who were actually deserving who also got awards?...never would've guessed that from all the attention focused on the shallow media whores on the news...

Why are you proud for such a blatant display of your own ignorance?

All of you whiners about the media - you can easily go and look up who has been listed for the award and read all about those people.

Use Google and/or pipl if you like.

Who knows, maybe if you spent more time doing this then you wouldn't be so enamoured with the media whoring that you just can't seem to keep your eyes off of.

[wyly]

Since that isn't true, I don't see how it can be a fact. No one got an Order of Canada for simply being famous.

ya they did, there are thousands of canadians who make huge contributions to our country each year and they will never ever be recognized why?... because they have no celebrity status...