UofGPolitico Posted October 28, 2011 Report Posted October 28, 2011 Its been the worst kept secret in Ottawa for weeks, but she finally jumps in today. The first, and most likely only woman to do so. She's definitely an heir apparent to the Layton vision, which I think could help Mulclair because she will most likely eat into potential support for Brian Top. However, she could also end up being a king maker. Regardless makes it quite interesting. However, in the interim the NDP loses one of its strongest critics on the front bench. Thoughts? http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2011/10/28/peggy-nash-leadership.html Quote
WWWTT Posted October 28, 2011 Report Posted October 28, 2011 I'm dissapointed that Olivia isn't in a better position to make a run at the top spot. But Peggy will do well! I hate to make a guess,but I give her a 50% chance. Its a strong NDP tradition of the last 20 or so years to have a strong woman contending for the top spot! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
UofGPolitico Posted October 28, 2011 Author Report Posted October 28, 2011 Its a strong NDP tradition of the last 20 or so years to have a strong woman contending for the top spot! WWWTT If the race becomes as divisive as some seem to think it will between Mulcair and Topp, she could come up the middle a la Dion in 2006. Hopefully if that does happen it would work out better for Nash than it did him. It will be exciting. Quote
Smallc Posted October 28, 2011 Report Posted October 28, 2011 (edited) Does it kind of feel like no one cares about the NDP anymore? Edited October 28, 2011 by Smallc Quote
Smallc Posted October 28, 2011 Report Posted October 28, 2011 The above post was supposed to say cares...not sure what happened. Quote
WWWTT Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 Topp's got this, I think. I'm not so sure about that? Does Topp resonate with voters? Can he pull in more seats? You could very well be right. Actually I don't want to have to choose between them. The NDP deffinetly are the best Canadian Party when its so hard to choose which candidate to pick from! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
cybercoma Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 I could be wrong, but I believe he was responsible for creating Jack Layton's image in the last campaign. If he can do the same for himself, he's golden. However, sometimes people are better at making others look good, rather than shining themselves. We'll see what happens. Quote
Evening Star Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 (edited) Does it kind of feel like no one cares about the NDP anymore? I didn't really have that sense at all, actually, beyond just that this is a relatively uneventful time, especially compared to an election. I definitely haven't felt that people are paying more attention and interest to the LPC, if that was what you meant? I'm still hoping for Mulcair or, failing that, Dewar. I somehow have a feeling that neither Topp nor Nash would be able to sustain the party's current strength. Edited October 29, 2011 by Evening Star Quote
Smallc Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 I just feel as if the NDP is some kind of distant entity right now, that's all. Quote
capricorn Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 Peggy Nash as NDP leader would be the best thing that could happen for the Liberals. She would return the NDP to their far leftist roots. That would scare the centre-left element that liked Layton's more centrist approach. They would consequently take a second look at the Liberals. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Evening Star Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 I kind of feel that way about both her and Topp and am unsure that either would resonate in Quebec. That said, Topp worked for Romanow's government, which wasn't exactly on the far left. Also, I've seen Nash dodge fair questions to a maddening degree on Power and Politics. Quote
blueblood Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 I kind of feel that way about both her and Topp and am unsure that either would resonate in Quebec. That said, Topp worked for Romanow's government, which wasn't exactly on the far left. Also, I've seen Nash dodge fair questions to a maddening degree on Power and Politics. It isn't hard to throw left wing ideology under the bus when your broke, ask Paul Martin! Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
olp1fan Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 No one can replace Jack.. which is why it doesnt matter who wins this race people did not vote cause they liked their ndp mp .. but cause of Jack Quote
UofGPolitico Posted October 29, 2011 Author Report Posted October 29, 2011 Topp's got this, I think. And that is probably the Conservative Party's hope. I don't think any of the field really scares the CPC war room ALL that much, but Topp I would label as a definite easy target. I think Nash is a smart and very credible candidate who despite her far-left ideas comes off as very well rounded, reasonable and VERY articulate. She's basically a refined Libby Davies Quote
WWWTT Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 Peggy Nash as NDP leader would be the best thing that could happen for the Liberals. She would return the NDP to their far leftist roots. That would scare the centre-left element that liked Layton's more centrist approach. They would consequently take a second look at the Liberals. Your assuming where Canadian voters stand! Was Jack more to the centre? Or did Canadian voters move more to the left?(OCCUPY) I think its obvious what happened last election! Either way the party will have a more central message regardless of who's at the helm. This is about who would be best to take down Harper now! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
cybercoma Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 I didn't really have that sense at all, actually, beyond just that this is a relatively uneventful time, especially compared to an election. I definitely haven't felt that people are paying more attention and interest to the LPC, if that was what you meant? I'm still hoping for Mulcair or, failing that, Dewar. I somehow have a feeling that neither Topp nor Nash would be able to sustain the party's current strength. I think Mulcair would be damaging to the party. He's a strong candidate and a great right-hand man, but his arrogance gets out of control too easily. His aggression can be a liability sometimes, especially in a party that appeals to the more compassionate and co-operative elements in society. Quote
cybercoma Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 And that is probably the Conservative Party's hope. I don't think any of the field really scares the CPC war room ALL that much, but Topp I would label as a definite easy target. I think Nash is a smart and very credible candidate who despite her far-left ideas comes off as very well rounded, reasonable and VERY articulate. She's basically a refined Libby Davies What makes you say this about Topp? Do you know anything about him? He's not even an MP. Quote
Wild Bill Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 Who's Peggy? Uh, Betty Joe Biolowski? Oh, you mean Nancy! ---Nick Danger, Third Eye! Now we'll find out who's an old hippy and who's a young pup on this board! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
UofGPolitico Posted October 29, 2011 Author Report Posted October 29, 2011 What makes you say this about Topp? Do you know anything about him? He's not even an MP. He's been a backroom insider his whole career. They will definitely use that against him. Quote
capricorn Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 Was Jack more to the centre? IMO the reason Jack moved the party more toward the centre was because he saw an opportunity to replace the Liberals as the Official Opposition. Recall that Liberal support was steadily dwindling with each election. With more than a little help from the Liberals and the Bloc he reached his goal. Or did Canadian voters move more to the left?(OCCUPY) Would that be why the Conservatives won a majority? Either way the party will have a more central message regardless of who's at the helm. I'm certain that is a debate currently raging within the NDP caucus. If the more radical elements of the NDP dominate the leadership vote, whichever candidate appears to want to take the party back to left of centre has a better chance. I say "appears" because whoever wins the leadership with that message may change course once elected. They are, after all, politicians. As we know all too well, they often say one thing to get elected then take an opposite direction. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
cybercoma Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 He's been a backroom insider his whole career. They will definitely use that against him. They could, but again he was the main strategist for Layton's brilliant campaign. Like I said, that doesn't necessarily mean he can paint himself in the same light, but if he can, he'll be a great leader, I think. Quote
WWWTT Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 IMO the reason Jack moved the party more toward the centre was because he saw an opportunity to replace the Liberals as the Official Opposition. Recall that Liberal support was steadily dwindling with each election. With more than a little help from the Liberals and the Bloc he reached his goal. Would that be why the Conservatives won a majority? I'm certain that is a debate currently raging within the NDP caucus. If the more radical elements of the NDP dominate the leadership vote, whichever candidate appears to want to take the party back to left of centre has a better chance. I say "appears" because whoever wins the leadership with that message may change course once elected. They are, after all, politicians. As we know all too well, they often say one thing to get elected then take an opposite direction. Wow are you an NDP insider? How do you know for certain Jack Layton is soley responsible for the entire NDP platform? As far as the conservatives winning their majority does not dismiss the fact that over 30% voted for a left wing party! But going back to you being an NDP insider, please continue with your insightfull wisdom-I'm all ears! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
capricorn Posted October 30, 2011 Report Posted October 30, 2011 Wow are you an NDP insider? No. How do you know for certain Jack Layton is soley responsible for the entire NDP platform? I don't and I never said I did. As far as the conservatives winning their majority does not dismiss the fact that over 30% voted for a left wing party! More than 30% actually. The Conservatives received just short of 40%. I would add that the remaining 60% are not necessarily all left wing. But going back to you being an NDP insider, I'm not as I already pointed out. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Evening Star Posted October 30, 2011 Report Posted October 30, 2011 More than 30% actually. The Conservatives received just short of 40%. I would add that the remaining 60% are not necessarily all left wing. I think he just meant that the NDP got a little over 30% of the popular vote. Quote
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