Sell the CBC?

[scribblet]

Whatever that means, maybe in the underbelly of the Shwa it means something LOL

Whatever turns you on or keeps you happy

Edited October 16, 2011 by scribblet

[segnosaur]

Not quite.

CBC Mandate

...the programming provided by the Corporation should:

i.be predominantly and distinctively Canadian, reflect Canada and its regions to national and regional audiences, while serving the special needs of those regions,

You know, the mandate might sound impressive. However, if they are not providing programming that is of interest to Canadians they are not really doing a good job of "reflecting Canada".

I could also point out that even if the CBC was fulfilling its mandate, its a mandate the country does not really need.

Some of the top rated shows nationally in the country are on the CBC.

Ummm... did you actually, you know, look at the list?

There are 4 entries on there that are from the CBC. 3 of them are hockey, yet hockey is also shown on other networks. (I'm sure CTV would love the opportunity to be the home of Hockey Night in Canada, if they had the chance.) That leaves one non-hockey CBC show in the top 30.

[olp1fan]

You know, the mandate might sound impressive. However, if they are not providing programming that is of interest to Canadians they are not really doing a good job of "reflecting Canada".

I could also point out that even if the CBC was fulfilling its mandate, its a mandate the country does not really need.

Ummm... did you actually, you know, look at the list?

There are 4 entries on there that are from the CBC. 3 of them are hockey, yet hockey is also shown on other networks. (I'm sure CTV would love the opportunity to be the home of Hockey Night in Canada, if they had the chance.) That leaves one non-hockey CBC show in the top 30.

Ctv showing hockey? LMAO

are you high

[olp1fan]

Not sure about selling it, as the radio portion does serve a lot of communities. IMO they should cut back the funding, they don't have a g.d given right to tax payer money.

Tony Clement doesnt have any right using 50 million tax payer money on his own riding when it was meant for

border infrastructure either but you dont bitch about that

you are an unfunny joke scribblet

[scribblet]

Tony Clement doesnt have any right using 50 million tax payer money on his own riding when it was meant for

border infrastructure either but you dont bitch about that

you are an unfunny joke scribblet

I'd say you are equally unfunny, and obviously don't read MLW rules, we aren't talking about Tony Clements either, so quit with the personal attacks. Insults are the ammunition of the uninformed.

[olp1fan]

I'd say you are equally unfunny, and obviously don't read MLW rules, we aren't talking about Tony Clements either, so quit with the personal attacks. Insults are the ammunition of the uninformed.

Thank you for proving my point

[segnosaur]

Ctv showing hockey? LMAO

are you high

They actually did show hockey...

In the 1980s they showed regular season games, primarily on Friday nights. (They were hampered by an inability to schedule enough Canadian teams however.) They also picked up playoff games in the 1970s when the CBC was having labor problems.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NHL_on_CTV

[Boges]

So Dragon's Den exhibits Canadian culture? They have similar shows in the US. In fact Kevin O'Leary is on the American version of the show.

Or Battle of the Blades? Or Little Mosque? Actually there's one show that's pretty Canadian on Sunday Nights called Heartland. But it's meant to appeal to Rural horse lovers and not downtown progressives so I doubt that chattering classes that love the CBC would laud that show.

As for Hockey, the CBC gets some of the best games. Saturday Night Leaf games, where TSN often gets to show two American teams play on a Tuesday Night. And when they do get a Leafs game it's on a weeknight when there are other shows on.

The highest rated portion of the hockey game is, wait for it. . . Coach's Corner. Which also probably makes the type of people that think the CBC is good for Canada sick.

[Boges]

Ctv showing hockey? LMAO

are you high

:facepalm

CTV owns TSN.

Rogers owns Sportsnet which actually shows more Leaf games through the year.

Sports on networks are usually set aside for important events like the World Series, Stanley Cup or the Superbowl. Or Sports on the weekend, where the CBC shows a bulk of it's sports through the year.

CBC also owns Bold which shows some fringe sports but costs cable customers extra to see.

[Pliny]

...the programming provided by the Corporation should:

i.be predominantly and distinctively Canadian, reflect Canada and its regions to national and regional audiences, while serving the special needs of those regions,

The problem is they have a tendency to determine what "Canadian" means complete with political overtones.

The definition of Canadian apparently includes someone that supports a national publicly funded radio/tv corporation that can reflect Canada and it's regions. It's part of our cultural identity.

Why do Canadians have to be presented as being so generally boring?

Horror of horrors! Government in bed with evil corporations??? Well, I suppose if the government completely regulates it, it might be ok.....what do you think, Shwa?....Sound a little too much like right wing corporatism?

[scribblet]

Thank you for proving my point

You are welcome, as we now know for sure that insults are the ammunition of the uninformed.

[Boges]

BTW the issue I have with the CBC isn't their political bias, or the fact most of their programming is horawful.

My big problem with the CBC is that it's a hybrid media organization. CBC Sports isn't a Crown Corporation. I'm sure the specialty cable channels the CBC owns aren't supposed to get government money.

So what exactly is that money for? No one knows because the CBC won't release their books.

I can't prove this but I'm pretty sure much of the gumint money that the CBC pockets goes into giving them an advantage over its competition and not to fulfill it's mandate. I maybe wrong but the CBC won't let us know.

Eventually the courts will force them to be more transparent I hope.

[cybercoma]

The problem is they have a tendency to determine what "Canadian" means complete with political overtones.

Prove it. Show me their official definition of what is "Canadian".

[Shwa]

You know, the mandate might sound impressive. However, if they are not providing programming that is of interest to Canadians they are not really doing a good job of "reflecting Canada".

But they are.

I could also point out that even if the CBC was fulfilling its mandate, its a mandate the country does not really need.

I could point out that is merely your opinion not based in fact.

Ummm... did you actually, you know, look at the list?

There are 4 entries on there that are from the CBC. 3 of them are hockey, yet hockey is also shown on other networks. (I'm sure CTV would love the opportunity to be the home of Hockey Night in Canada, if they had the chance.) That leaves one non-hockey CBC show in the top 30.

Ummm, did you notice it was the top 30? Dig around for the newscasts, specialty channels, etc. I am sure people watch the CBC. Especially people in the different regions of Canada.

Edited October 17, 2011 by Shwa

[Shwa]

The problem is they have a tendency to determine what "Canadian" means complete with political overtones.

Who would you prefer to have the tendency to determine what Canadian means - FOX?

The definition of Canadian apparently includes someone that supports a national publicly funded radio/tv corporation that can reflect Canada and it's regions. It's part of our cultural identity.

Pretty much, on the average, yeah.

Why do Canadians have to be presented as being so generally boring?

Now it's you are have the tendency to determine what "Canadian" means complete with political overtones. Let me guess: you work for the CBC.

Horror of horrors! Government in bed with evil corporations??? Well, I suppose if the government completely regulates it, it might be ok.....what do you think, Shwa?....Sound a little too much like right wing corporatism?

No, it sounds like trolling with old bait.

[Shwa]

BTW the issue I have with the CBC isn't their political bias, or the fact most of their programming is horawful.

My big problem with the CBC is that it's a hybrid media organization. CBC Sports isn't a Crown Corporation. I'm sure the specialty cable channels the CBC owns aren't supposed to get government money.

So what exactly is that money for? No one knows because the CBC won't release their books.

I can't prove this but I'm pretty sure much of the gumint money that the CBC pockets goes into giving them an advantage over its competition and not to fulfill it's mandate. I maybe wrong but the CBC won't let us know.

Eventually the courts will force them to be more transparent I hope.

I maybe wrong, but I am betting you haven't even bothered to look for CBC financials and budget information. Fair is fair though. Hardner mentioned someone like you in another thread - someone who has difficulty searching the Internet for government information, so he has a point.

[Boges]

I maybe wrong, but I am betting you haven't even bothered to look for CBC financials and budget information. Fair is fair though. Hardner mentioned someone like you in another thread - someone who has difficulty searching the Internet for government information, so he has a point.

Sun Media is tireless on trying to get the CBC to release their financial information.

[Bonam]

Those that would sell off the CBC don't care about Canada having the ability to define its own culture. They would have our media co-opted by the United States and sell our nationality to the highest bidder.

Who says our culture must be "defined" by a state-sponsored media outlet?

[ReeferMadness]

I watch very little TV so I won't comment directly about CBC TV content. I do listen to a fair bit of radio and the station I listen to most is CBC. They have great informational shows - stuff that can't be found on commercial radio. Because they aren't beholden to advertisers, they can cover stuff commercial stations wouldn't touch.

Most major industrialized countries have public broadcasters. And most of them are funded (on a per capita basis) much better than the CBC. Maybe those other countries know something that the right-wingers on Mapleleafweb don't.

Take a gander at this document. Canada funds its public broadcaster worse than other western democracies save for the USA and New Zealand. If the CBC has been reduced to carrying crap like "Dragon's Den", maybe there's a reason for it.

[Shwa]

Sun Media is tireless on trying to get the CBC to release their financial information.

LOFL!

A neat substitute for laziness. Blame the media.

[Shwa]

Who says our culture must be "defined" by a state-sponsored media outlet?

Who says it is?

[segnosaur]

I maybe wrong, but I am betting you haven't even bothered to look for CBC financials and budget information.

Ummmm... perhaps you didn't know, but the CBC has a long-standing record of failing to comply with Access to Information requests.

From: http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2010/09/11/15318751.html

Canada's state broadcaster came under the Access to Information Act in 2007 along with several other crown corporations...the information commissioner, who is charged by Parliament with enforcing the Access to Information Act, subpoenaed a number of files from CBC for examination. The broadcaster refused to comply.

And then there's this: http://www.torontosun.com/2011/09/13/taxpayers-foot-bill-for-cbcs-tiff-party (A party the CBC threw, but refuses to release information relating to costs.)

Bono from U2, Jon Hamm from the hit TV show Mad Men and Kiefer Sutherland were among the guests invited by CBC's George Stroumboulopoulos to a party at the swanky Hazelton Hotel..."That's not something we would share with you," CBC spokesman Jeff Keay said when asked about the cost.

[segnosaur]

Who says our culture must be "defined" by a state-sponsored media outlet?

Who says it is?

Well, for one, the poster Cybercoma made a post on October 15 that said selling off the CBC would impact our ability to "Define our culture".

[segnosaur]

I watch very little TV so I won't comment directly about CBC TV content. I do listen to a fair bit of radio and the station I listen to most is CBC.

Your listening habits are basically supported by my tax dollars (since I never listen to CBC radio).

Why should I pay for your entertainment choices?

They have great informational shows - stuff that can't be found on commercial radio.

How do you know that that content won't still be available if/when the CBC becomes privatized (or eliminated or whatever)? If people have an interest in listening to it, there will be companies that have an interest in providing the content.

Most major industrialized countries have public broadcasters. And most of them are funded (on a per capita basis) much better than the CBC.

Ummm... so? Why exactly do we have to do things "Just because other countries do"?

[Shwa]

Ummmm... perhaps you didn't know, but the CBC has a long-standing record of failing to comply with Access to Information requests.

From: http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2010/09/11/15318751.html

Canada's state broadcaster came under the Access to Information Act in 2007 along with several other crown corporations...the information commissioner, who is charged by Parliament with enforcing the Access to Information Act, subpoenaed a number of files from CBC for examination. The broadcaster refused to comply.

Ummmm, perhaps you didn't notice that this doesn't connect with the inability of anyone to find out financials and budgetary information about the CBC.

And then there's this: http://www.torontosun.com/2011/09/13/taxpayers-foot-bill-for-cbcs-tiff-party (A party the CBC threw, but refuses to release information relating to costs.)

Bono from U2, Jon Hamm from the hit TV show Mad Men and Kiefer Sutherland were among the guests invited by CBC's George Stroumboulopoulos to a party at the swanky Hazelton Hotel..."That's not something we would share with you," CBC spokesman Jeff Keay said when asked about the cost.

Did someone file an ATIP request for this and it was refused? Is that what this is saying?

You need to dig deeper to substantiate your point.

Edited October 17, 2011 by Shwa