Shwa Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 Well, for one, the poster Cybercoma made a post on October 15 that said selling off the CBC would impact our ability to "Define our culture". There is a significant leap from the CBC impacting our ability to define out culture to actually defining it. Such is the distinction that words have. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 ...Did someone file an ATIP request for this and it was refused? Is that what this is saying? You need to dig deeper to substantiate your point. No...the point has already been substantiated. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Shwa Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 Your listening habits are basically supported by my tax dollars (since I never listen to CBC radio). Why should I pay for your entertainment choices? Your driving habits are basically supported by my tax dollars (since I don't drive). Why should I pay for your transportation choices? Quote
Boges Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 Your driving habits are basically supported by my tax dollars (since I don't drive). Why should I pay for your transportation choices? There you go again. Comparing public services to the CBC. It's a total false equivalent. Quote
Pliny Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 Your driving habits are basically supported by my tax dollars (since I don't drive). Why should I pay for your transportation choices? Good question but probably, due to your view of government, you feel it's your obligation and you wouldn't have it any other way. Quote I want to be in the class that ensures the classless society remains classless.
guyser Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 (edited) Then there was the gold medal game, highest rated sporting event in more than a decade except for the super bowl. They have pretty good coverage if you ask me. Pretty good? Id say damn good. However.... Oh and tsn completely obliterates CBC for hockey coverage. Trade center anyone? Obliterates how? The only pbjective measure would be ratings and in that case, CBC obliterates TSN. How much? Try over to 2 to 1 .Almost 3 to 1. CBC does hockey extremely well. CBCs Hockey Night in Canada averaged 1.8 million viewers .<snip> TSN also saw a spike in viewers with an average 714,000 per game this season Read more: http://playbackonline.ca/2010/04/14/hockey-20100414/#ixzz1b3PStVaQ Edited October 17, 2011 by guyser Quote
Boges Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 Pretty good? Id say damn good. However.... Obliterates how? The only pbjective measure would be ratings and in that case, CBC obliterates TSN. How much? Try over to 2 to 1 .Almost 3 to 1. CBC does hockey extremely well. CBC Sports doesn't get any government money. So it's totally irrelevant arguement regarding this issue. Also the Olympic Gold Medal game was on CTV, not CBC. Quote
olp1fan Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 CBC Sports doesn't get any government money. So it's totally irrelevant arguement regarding this issue. Also the Olympic Gold Medal game was on CTV, not CBC. and the coverage on ctv was so awful i had to watch it on nbc Quote
guyser Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 (edited) CBC Sports doesn't get any government money. So it's totally irrelevant arguement regarding this issue. Also the Olympic Gold Medal game was on CTV, not CBC. Yea I know. Ive said as much a number of times. It was a counter to someones erroneous thought that TSN beats CBC at hockey The game was on multiple channels, a consortium of sorts. watched Team Canada defeat the U.S. 3-2 in overtime on the CTV-Rogers consortium’s eight channels Edited October 17, 2011 by guyser Quote
Boges Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 and the coverage on ctv was so awful i had to watch it on nbc LOL First of all it wasn't just the CTV, it was a combination Media Consortium that brought us the 2010 Olympics. You had games on CTV, Sportsnet, TSN, OLN, etc etc. BTW NBC's Hockey coverage uses people like Pierre McGuire, a sports pundit for TSN. I guess you loved Brian Williams when he worked for CBC, but now cuz he's on TSN he's horrible. Quote
segnosaur Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 Your driving habits are basically supported by my tax dollars (since I don't drive). Why should I pay for your transportation choices? Because even if you don't drive a car personally, you likely use public transportation of some type (bus, taxi, etc.) that does use the public roads. Not to mention the fact that you probably use products that (at some point in their manufacture) get transported by roads, and get served by fire/police/ambulance services that require the existence of roads to function. And just out of curiosity, how exactly did you move into your current house/apartment? I used a moving van. But if you think roads are only for the people who drive cars, then did you manufacture all your own furniture from trees in your back yard? Quote
segnosaur Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 Ummmm... perhaps you didn't know, but the CBC has a long-standing record of failing to comply with Access to Information requests.From: http://www.torontosu...1/15318751.html Canada's state broadcaster came under the Access to Information Act in 2007 along with several other crown corporations...the information commissioner, who is charged by Parliament with enforcing the Access to Information Act, subpoenaed a number of files from CBC for examination. The broadcaster refused to comply. Ummmm, perhaps you didn't notice that this doesn't connect with the inability of anyone to find out financials and budgetary information about the CBC. Did you actually read the article? The article mentions access to information requests that were turned down by the CBC that specifically dealt with financial records. Quote
Shwa Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 Because even if you don't drive a car personally, you likely use public transportation of some type (bus, taxi, etc.) that does use the public roads. Not to mention the fact that you probably use products that (at some point in their manufacture) get transported by roads, and get served by fire/police/ambulance services that require the existence of roads to function. And just out of curiosity, how exactly did you move into your current house/apartment? I used a moving van. But if you think roads are only for the people who drive cars, then did you manufacture all your own furniture from trees in your back yard? But it is your choice to drive a car, where you do, which has nothing to do with me, but I end up paying for it out of my "tax dollars." Like it is my choice to use public transportation. What? Now you want to pull the plug on funding for public transportation now? Quote
olp1fan Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 (edited) LOL First of all it wasn't just the CTV, it was a combination Media Consortium that brought us the 2010 Olympics. You had games on CTV, Sportsnet, TSN, OLN, etc etc. BTW NBC's Hockey coverage uses people like Pierre McGuire, a sports pundit for TSN. I guess you loved Brian Williams when he worked for CBC, but now cuz he's on TSN he's horrible. Pierre Mcguire is worse than Glenn Healey Milbury is good Edited October 17, 2011 by olp1fan Quote
Shwa Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 Did you actually read the article? The article mentions access to information requests that were turned down by the CBC that specifically dealt with financial records. Did you actually understand the article, in the context that the CBC has a right to respond to ATIP requests and were exercising their legal obligation? Quote
segnosaur Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 Oh and tsn completely obliterates CBC for hockey coverage. Obliterates how? The only pbjective measure would be ratings and in that case, CBC obliterates TSN. How much? Try over to 2 to 1 .Almost 3 to 1. I don't know if ratings is a great way to objectively determine the quality of hockey broadcasts. First of all, TSN is a cable network, and not all households in Canada have cable (or satellite). Secondly, CBC has certain advantages in scheduling. Weekends are a more traditional time for sports broadcasts (as well as having less competition from primetime broadcast network shows), and as such CBC's Saturday broadcasts (which it has priority for) are probably going to beat out a Wednesday night game regardless of the quality of the commentating/camera work/etc. Quote
Boges Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 But it is your choice to drive a car, where you do, which has nothing to do with me, but I end up paying for it out of my "tax dollars." Like it is my choice to use public transportation. What? Now you want to pull the plug on funding for public transportation now? If there was a massive public outcry over pulling funding for the CBC then you might have a point. I'm sure people would have a problem if money stopped going to the upkeep of roads. Well unless they cut everyone's taxes so we could use the 407 that is. Again what would pulling the funding for the CBC mean? What aspects of their government money go into filling their mandate and what portion goes into the pockets of, say Peter Mansbridge. Quote
Shwa Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 There you go again. Comparing public services to the CBC. It's a total false equivalent. Is it? You say so, but I see no explanation of how it is a false equivalent. I'll just have to take your for it because...? In fact, I am not equivocating the CBC with "public services" at all, even though the CBC is a public service. I am equivocating choices to use the publically available means to one end or another. Quote
segnosaur Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 But it is your choice to drive a car, where you do, which has nothing to do with me, but I end up paying for it out of my "tax dollars." Like it is my choice to use public transportation. What? Now you want to pull the plug on funding for public transportation now? Your arguments are becoming really retarded. Yes it is my choice to drive a car. We're dealing with government-supplied infrastructure though. The roads exist, and are necessary whether they are traveled on by car or by bus, moving van or company delivery. Even if I were to vanish from all existence, the need for the road would not change as there is no alternative way for you to take your bus to work. On the other hand, there are alternatives to CBC. If the CBC disappeared, you would still have alternatives for your entertainment and information. Quote
Shwa Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 If there was a massive public outcry over pulling funding for the CBC then you might have a point. There isn't a massive public outcry to pull the funding for the CBC, so you don't have a point. I'm sure people would have a problem if money stopped going to the upkeep of roads. Well unless they cut everyone's taxes so we could use the 407 that is. Would they choose not to use the roads then? Again what would pulling the funding for the CBC mean? What aspects of their government money go into filling their mandate and what portion goes into the pockets of, say Peter Mansbridge. Go look at the financial and budgetary records and report back to us. Quote
Boges Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 On the other hand, there are alternatives to CBC. If the CBC disappeared, you would still have alternatives for your entertainment and information. Yeah but we'd miss Strombo! I think there is far better Canadian content on cable than on the CBC. No Question! By Shwa's logic, calling into question where the government spends any of its money is like calling into question funding for roads or anything the government offers that people need to do their day to day activities. Who needs the CBC to get to work? Who needs the CBC to take their garbage? Who needs the CBC to provide healthcare for them? Quote
Shwa Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 Your arguments are becoming really retarded. Only so they'll be at your level of intellect. Yes it is my choice to drive a car. We're dealing with government-supplied infrastructure though. The roads exist, and are necessary whether they are traveled on by car or by bus, moving van or company delivery. Even if I were to vanish from all existence, the need for the road would not change as there is no alternative way for you to take your bus to work. But you still choose to drive your car when you could - and should - take the publically funded bus. On the other hand, there are alternatives to CBC. If the CBC disappeared, you would still have alternatives for your entertainment and information. On the other hand, there are alternatives to you choosing to drive your car. Why should I have to pay my "hard earned tax dollars" on the wear and tear on roads and all the pollution you cause for what boils down to a selfish choice on your behalf? Quote
Boges Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 Go look at the financial and budgetary records and report back to us. How about you go find them since you're the one defending them. I have a feeling you won't be able to though. Quote
Bonam Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 But you still choose to drive your car when you could - and should - take the publically funded bus. Who are you to tell people what they "should" do? Quote
Boges Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 On the other hand, there are alternatives to you choosing to drive your car. Why should I have to pay my "hard earned tax dollars" on the wear and tear on roads and all the pollution you cause for what boils down to a selfish choice on your behalf? Well you live in the Shwa, I don't pay for the roads in your town. As for the 401, QEW etc. not only do commuters use the highway but so do people using public transit so that's not a relevant comparison. Quote
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