Guest Derek L Posted September 22, 2011 Report Posted September 22, 2011 You have any proof that he wasn't? Yup and really don't give a rats ass. Blood stone and all that... And to add...... Criminal Code Punishment of libel known to be false300. Every one who publishes a defamatory libel that he knows is false is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years. R.S., c. C-34, s. 264. Quote
capricorn Posted September 22, 2011 Report Posted September 22, 2011 You've stated that people like Jean Chretien need to be flown around on private jets and then invoke his name to take a shot at him? For your edification, here's my shot at Chretien. When the Airbus fleet was acquired by Brian Mulroney in 1993, Liberal leader Jean Chrétien scoffed at "the flying Taj Mahal." Mulroney left office before ever flying on it, and of course Chrétien used it for 10 years. http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/canada-in-afghanistan/General+Natynczyk/5433571/story.html Hypocrite. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Rick Posted September 22, 2011 Report Posted September 22, 2011 And to add...... Criminal Code :yawn:Got anything else or are you going to keep boring me with your legal drivel? Quote “This is all about who you represent,” Mr. Dewar (NDP) said. “We’re (NDP) talking about representing the interests of working people and everyday Canadians and they [the Conservatives] are about representing the fund managers who come in and fleece our companies and our country. Voted Maple Leaf Web's 'Most Outstanding Poster' 2011
capricorn Posted September 22, 2011 Report Posted September 22, 2011 Alas he doesn't because he's got gullible sheep like yourself who fawn over him and think he's entitled to his entitlements. Thank you for reminding me of the arrogance of Liberals, personified by David Dingwall who first uttered "I'm entitled to my entitlements. When questioned while giving testimony before Parliament as to why he felt he should receive a severance package after the voluntary resignation, he remarked "I'm entitled to my entitlements." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Dingwall You should have known that the "entitlements" quote will forever be linked to the Liberals. Of course, your political memory may not go that far back. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Guest Derek L Posted September 22, 2011 Report Posted September 22, 2011 :yawn: Got anything else or are you going to keep boring me with your legal drivel? Not at all.........advice is cheap and opinions are free....you got a 241 deal Quote
Rick Posted September 22, 2011 Report Posted September 22, 2011 For your edification, here's my shot at Chretien. http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/canada-in-afghanistan/General+Natynczyk/5433571/story.html Hypocrite. Hey I'm not the one defending the entitlements of these pompous asses flying around in private jets on our dime here...your boy Argus isJohnny Cretin was just as bad as the pompous ass before him and the jackass running the show and flying them now. Try and keep up mmkay? They should be doing like the Brit's PM does...flying commercial. Quote “This is all about who you represent,” Mr. Dewar (NDP) said. “We’re (NDP) talking about representing the interests of working people and everyday Canadians and they [the Conservatives] are about representing the fund managers who come in and fleece our companies and our country. Voted Maple Leaf Web's 'Most Outstanding Poster' 2011
Guest Derek L Posted September 22, 2011 Report Posted September 22, 2011 Hey I'm not the one defending the entitlements of these pompous asses flying around in private jets on our dime here...your boy Argus is Johnny Cretin was just as bad as the pompous ass before him and the jackass running the show and flying them now. Try and keep up mmkay? They should be doing like the Brit's PM does...flying commercial. Actually, British VIP’s are flown around by No. 32 Squadron RAF….or private BA charters.. Quote
Rick Posted September 22, 2011 Report Posted September 22, 2011 Actually, British VIP’s are flown around by No. 32 Squadron RAF….or private BA charters.. As usual, you're wrong again.David Cameron flies commercial and... Derek's Wrong again... For David Cameron, the inferiority complex has just got worse. He flew business class on a commercial British Airways flight to Washington last night, a willing victim of his own Government's austerity measures. Downing Street has abandoned its previous policy of hiring a plane for long-distance trips. This can cost between £200,000 and £300,000 and the bill for taxpayers was only partly recouped by charging the pack of journalists who travel with the PM. Westminster hacks smelt a rat when Mr Cameron used a commercial airline to fly to Afghanistan last month. They suspected the new Downing Street team did not want him subjected to questioning by reporters during his travels. Although Mr Cameron is enjoying a honeymoon phase at present, his advisers know that reporters might not be so friendly if his administration runs into trouble. The PM's aides insist the main reason for the change of travel plans is to save money. Like all departments other than Health and International Development, Downing Street must draw up plans to cut its budget by 25 per cent. "Subsidising the media is not seen as a priority," one insider said. Mr Cameron is expected to charter a plane when he visits India shortly as he will be accompanied by a delegation of British businessmen. But he will fly on commercial flights on most of his trips. Britain is the only big economic power whose senior ministers do not have their own plane. Tony Blair drew up plans to buy a "Blair Force One", and the Government's efficiency adviser Sir Peter Gershon found that purchasing a fleet of three aircraft would be "cost neutral". But the move was grounded by the then Chancellor Gordon Brown because it would have required a large upfront expenditure. Quote “This is all about who you represent,” Mr. Dewar (NDP) said. “We’re (NDP) talking about representing the interests of working people and everyday Canadians and they [the Conservatives] are about representing the fund managers who come in and fleece our companies and our country. Voted Maple Leaf Web's 'Most Outstanding Poster' 2011
Guest Derek L Posted September 22, 2011 Report Posted September 22, 2011 As usual, you're wrong again. David Cameron flies commercial and... Derek's Wrong again... Ahh........no.....Read my post again.....read your second link: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/pm-dismisses-obsession-with-uks-special-relationship-2030345.html *When a British Prime Minister attends an international summit, the plane he charters from British Airways or Virgin is always dwarfed on the Tarmac by the US President's giant Air Force One.For David Cameron, the inferiority complex has just got worse. He flew business class on a commercial British Airways flight to Washington last night, a willing victim of his own Government's austerity measures. Downing Street has abandoned its previous policy of hiring a plane for long-distance trips. This can cost between £200,000 and £300,000 and the bill for taxpayers was only partly recouped by charging the pack of journalists who travel with the PM. Westminster hacks smelt a rat when Mr Cameron used a commercial airline to fly to Afghanistan last month. They suspected the new Downing Street team did not want him subjected to questioning by reporters during his travels. Although Mr Cameron is enjoying a honeymoon phase at present, his advisers know that reporters might not be so friendly if his administration runs into trouble. The PM's aides insist the main reason for the change of travel plans is to save money. Like all departments other than Health and International Development, Downing Street must draw up plans to cut its budget by 25 per cent. "Subsidising the media is not seen as a priority," one insider said. Mr Cameron is expected to charter a plane when he visits India shortly as he will be accompanied by a delegation of British businessmen. But he will fly on commercial flights on most of his trips. Britain is the only big economic power whose senior ministers do not have their own plane. Tony Blair drew up plans to buy a "Blair Force One", and the Government's efficiency adviser Sir Peter Gershon found that purchasing a fleet of three aircraft would be "cost neutral". But the move was grounded by the then Chancellor Gordon Brown because it would have required a large upfront expenditure. Now look at the date of your links.....July of 2010.......Fall of 2010, The United Kingdom released the SDR (Strategic Defence Review) which did see funding cuts to the military Amongst cuts to near every other department……but none of the Queens flight/NO 32 Squadron was binned….and as you link mentioned, he later chartered a flight...... http://www.raf.mod.uk/organisation/32squadron.cfm Quote
Guest Derek L Posted September 22, 2011 Report Posted September 22, 2011 As usual, you're wrong again. David Cameron flies commercial and... Derek's Wrong again... Ahh........no.....Read my post again.....read your second link: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/pm-dismisses-obsession-with-uks-special-relationship-2030345.html *When a British Prime Minister attends an international summit, the plane he charters from British Airways or Virgin is always dwarfed on the Tarmac by the US President's giant Air Force One.For David Cameron, the inferiority complex has just got worse. He flew business class on a commercial British Airways flight to Washington last night, a willing victim of his own Government's austerity measures. Downing Street has abandoned its previous policy of hiring a plane for long-distance trips. This can cost between £200,000 and £300,000 and the bill for taxpayers was only partly recouped by charging the pack of journalists who travel with the PM. Westminster hacks smelt a rat when Mr Cameron used a commercial airline to fly to Afghanistan last month. They suspected the new Downing Street team did not want him subjected to questioning by reporters during his travels. Although Mr Cameron is enjoying a honeymoon phase at present, his advisers know that reporters might not be so friendly if his administration runs into trouble. The PM's aides insist the main reason for the change of travel plans is to save money. Like all departments other than Health and International Development, Downing Street must draw up plans to cut its budget by 25 per cent. "Subsidising the media is not seen as a priority," one insider said. Mr Cameron is expected to charter a plane when he visits India shortly as he will be accompanied by a delegation of British businessmen. But he will fly on commercial flights on most of his trips. Britain is the only big economic power whose senior ministers do not have their own plane. Tony Blair drew up plans to buy a "Blair Force One", and the Government's efficiency adviser Sir Peter Gershon found that purchasing a fleet of three aircraft would be "cost neutral". But the move was grounded by the then Chancellor Gordon Brown because it would have required a large upfront expenditure. Now look at the date of your links.....July of 2010.......Fall of 2010, The United Kingdom released the SDR (Strategic Defence Review) which did see funding cuts to the military Amongst cuts to near every other department……but none of the Queens flight/NO 32 Squadron was binned….and as you link mentioned, he later chartered a flight...... http://www.raf.mod.uk/organisation/32squadron.cfm Quote
Rick Posted September 22, 2011 Report Posted September 22, 2011 (edited) Derek. I'm guessing you missed the part where it states Mr Cameron is expected to charter a plane when he visits India shortly as he will be accompanied by a delegation of British businessmen. But he will fly on commercial flights on most of his trips. out of convenience. And were you unable to comprehend the reason for his chartering that one plane to visit India? Let me help you out here. It was because there were a number of British businessmen going along with him where it made sense to do so. David Cameron will, after all, enjoy the perk of travelling as prime minister on a specially chartered plane when he leads what is expected to be the largest business and ministerial delegation to India since the days of the Raj. Downing Street had said that Cameron would save the taxpayer money by eschewing the habits of Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and John Major, who chartered British Airways, Virgin or private planes for trips round the world. The new prime minister stuck to this last week when he flew on scheduled BA flights to and from the US. But Cameron is taking such a large delegation to India, composed of six cabinet ministers, captains of industry and sporting stars, that it makes commercial sense to charter a plane. Edited September 22, 2011 by Rick Quote “This is all about who you represent,” Mr. Dewar (NDP) said. “We’re (NDP) talking about representing the interests of working people and everyday Canadians and they [the Conservatives] are about representing the fund managers who come in and fleece our companies and our country. Voted Maple Leaf Web's 'Most Outstanding Poster' 2011
Guest Derek L Posted September 22, 2011 Report Posted September 22, 2011 ame='Derek L' date='21 September 2011 - 07:36 PM' timestamp='1316658980' post='711354']I'm guessing you missed the part where it states Mr Cameron is expected to charter a plane when he visits India shortly as he will be accompanied by a delegation of British businessmen. But he will fly on commercial flights on most of his trips. out of convenience. And were you unable to comprehend the reason for his chartering that one plane to visit India? Let me help you out here. It was because there were a number of British businessmen going along with him where it made sense to do so. How many commercial flights has he taken since? Quote
Guest Derek L Posted September 22, 2011 Report Posted September 22, 2011 Derek. I'm guessing you missed the part where it states Mr Cameron is expected to charter a plane when he visits India shortly as he will be accompanied by a delegation of British businessmen. But he will fly on commercial flights on most of his trips. out of convenience. And were you unable to comprehend the reason for his chartering that one plane to visit India? Let me help you out here. It was because there were a number of British businessmen going along with him where it made sense to do so. Still waiting for you to back up your assertion that the CDS has a mistress and was flying said mistress around the globe on the taxpayer’s dime………. You backing down on that claim? Quote
Rick Posted September 22, 2011 Report Posted September 22, 2011 How many commercial flights has he taken since? Why don't you provide us the list showing the number of private flight's he's had since you're the one claiming he only flies on privately chartered aircraft and with an RAF escort. Quote “This is all about who you represent,” Mr. Dewar (NDP) said. “We’re (NDP) talking about representing the interests of working people and everyday Canadians and they [the Conservatives] are about representing the fund managers who come in and fleece our companies and our country. Voted Maple Leaf Web's 'Most Outstanding Poster' 2011
Rick Posted September 22, 2011 Report Posted September 22, 2011 Still waiting for you to back up your assertion that the CDS has a mistress and was flying said mistress around the globe on the taxpayer’s dime………. You backing down on that claim? Why should I?Wait, you're going to start boring me again with your legal drivel aren't you... :yawn: Quote “This is all about who you represent,” Mr. Dewar (NDP) said. “We’re (NDP) talking about representing the interests of working people and everyday Canadians and they [the Conservatives] are about representing the fund managers who come in and fleece our companies and our country. Voted Maple Leaf Web's 'Most Outstanding Poster' 2011
Guest Derek L Posted September 22, 2011 Report Posted September 22, 2011 Why don't you provide us the list showing the number of private flight's he's had since you're the one claiming he only flies on privately chartered aircraft and with an RAF escort. I did provide a link.....your’s…..the following week, He went on a chartered flight to India……via BA…..as I said prior. Why should I?Wait, you're going to start boring me again with your legal drivel aren't you... :yawn: Not the least……I’m just trying to figure out if you have any creditability……… Prime Minster David Cameron actually flies around the world on a Royal Air Force Pegasus…..When speed and time are of the essence though, he uses a reconstituted Thunderbird 1 Prove me wrong. I’m starting to see a trend with you………Just like your claims of the revolution starting any second now........ Quote
Rick Posted September 22, 2011 Report Posted September 22, 2011 I did provide a link.....your’s…..the following week, He went on a chartered flight to India……via BA…..as I said prior. Still having difficulty with your selective reading comprehension are you? What part of 10 Downing Street stating that Cameron would be taking commercial flights on most of his trips are you unable to understand? You do know what 10 Downing Street is right? Quote “This is all about who you represent,” Mr. Dewar (NDP) said. “We’re (NDP) talking about representing the interests of working people and everyday Canadians and they [the Conservatives] are about representing the fund managers who come in and fleece our companies and our country. Voted Maple Leaf Web's 'Most Outstanding Poster' 2011
Guest Derek L Posted September 22, 2011 Report Posted September 22, 2011 Still having difficulty with your selective reading comprehension are you? What part of 10 Downing Street stating that Cameron would be taking commercial flights on most of his trips are you unable to understand? You do know what 10 Downing Street is right? Nope…….prove it……..I saw Conservative Prime Minster David Cameron flying, the other day, over my house on a winged horse with RAF roundels………He was flying in formation with former Vice President Dick Cheney’s TIE fighter and they we’re escorting Teddy Roosevelt’s ghost (rough) riders in the sky….. My daughter’s talking Chinchilla can personally vouch for me. Quote
Army Guy Posted September 22, 2011 Report Posted September 22, 2011 I say we start by axing the bloated military's budget. Not wasting money to have all new uniforms, logos, signs, letterheads etc made up to change the name back to something it was decades ago.. Then we should look at closing and consolidating these bases..Nobody needs a Petewawa, Borden, Gagetown and Edmonton... Sure if that is what it takes, it's not like it has not been done before, military cuts are normally the first to come up in any conversation about cost cutting measures,it's a Candian reflect action, as long as cuts don't effect your pogy check or hockey night in Canada , oh and lets not forget the cost of beer....those items are off limits... I agree there is some waste going on within the military, and there is savings to be had within the dept....but the changing of letterheads and logos is not going to come up with the savings your wishing for...As for closing bases good luck with that the Military has tried in the past to close smaller bases and consolidate for cost savings it was the general public that protested and DND was force to keep them open....As for your chooses of bases to close good luck with closing those bases.... But first and formost, stop allowing the waste of tax dollars so today's video game junkies get the chance to go play GI Joe in real life... Nice come back, don't tell me some army guy stole your girlfriend / wife pumped her full of sunshine and she left you....so now your anti establishment, bet your cringe at any guy in uniform, including the postman....give it up man let her go... Yes we are a waste of tax payers money until you need us, you know to shovel your drive way, respond to a forest fire , ice strom , or flood, lets not forget SAR, providing jobs to thousands....oh and my favorite killing our enemies then we your best buds... Troops should only be used in a combat mission when they are defending this country's borders. First you want cut backs, base closures, then dictate what mission we should have....every look at a map of Canada, we can't properly defend Canada right now with the amount of troops/ equipment we have now....but hey, whats the worry when the shit hits the fan, the military will swell with guys like you who by law will be force to serve in the very military you despise now, but don't worry, we will give you a couple of weeks of training before we send you up to the front...to use that very equipment we could afford to buy...thats right it's not the best equipment out there ...but it is the best we could afford...now get you ass to your trench... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
g_bambino Posted September 22, 2011 Report Posted September 22, 2011 (edited) They're not? You said: None of [them] need to be flown anywhere on a private jet paid for with taxpayers money for their personal benefits. Nobody is flown in a Challenger at taxpayer expense for his or her personal benefit. It is logistically to the benefit of many - the RCMP, other government/department/military employees, and, ultimately, all of us - to use secure, private, Crown-owned and operated jets to transport people with very important roles in government. Your quick descent to ad hominem attack pretty much attests to the strength of your argument. [+] Edited September 22, 2011 by g_bambino Quote
Smallc Posted September 23, 2011 Author Report Posted September 23, 2011 What exactly does the press not get? These jets are not only for carrying the PM and GG, and they should probably be used more: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2011/09/22/challenger-use.html I really hope we don't cut the fleet, because that will cause availability and command and control issues. Quote
August1991 Posted September 23, 2011 Report Posted September 23, 2011 I agree with your fundamentals on this one but Greece has problems for different reasons.We in Canada in the future will face the same problems as Greece is facing now.WWWTT, you are foolish to think otherwise. Alas he doesn't because he's got gullible sheep like yourself who fawn over him and think he's entitled to his entitlements.But truth is, he's not important. He's only made important because the warmongering right wing and military lackeys want him to be. Rick, excepting the anti-right wing rant, I agree with you.IOW, been there, done that. ----- The simple fact is that ordinary people, in this 21st century, will no longer pay for this nonsense. Politicians in democracies are beginning to understand this. Obama, for example, financed his campaign differently. Quote
Smallc Posted September 23, 2011 Author Report Posted September 23, 2011 We in Canada in the future will face the same problems as Greece is facing now. How do you know? And based on what? Our best level is about half what theirs is (and our federal debt level is about one fifth), we can devalue our currency, and we currently have a AAA credit rating, as do 3 of our provinces (most other have AA+). We need to be careful going forward, but we're, given a worst case scenario, several decades from Greece. The simple fact is that ordinary people, in this 21st century, will no longer pay for this nonsense. What in the world are you talking about? Seriously? It's clear you have no idea what the CDS does or is supposed to do. People may not want to pay for nonsense, but they certainly can spout it. Politicians in democracies are beginning to understand this. Obama, for example, financed his campaign differently. Yeah, with the broken hopes and dreams of an entire country. Quote
August1991 Posted September 23, 2011 Report Posted September 23, 2011 (edited) How do you know? And based on what?Our health care system has no actuarial basis: like the US Social Security, it's "Pay As You Go".Smallc, what are our future health liabilities? Are they calculated? Do we have a fund for them? (Simple answer: No.) In a Greek sense, I offer a different answer: "Governments will never have enough money to pay for the services that family offers." What in the world are you talking about? Seriously? It's clear you have no idea what the CDS does or is supposed to do. People may not want to pay for nonsense, but they certainly can spout it.When the Canadian Army wants more money from taxpayers in the future, and money is tight, let's see what happens. Edited September 23, 2011 by August1991 Quote
Smallc Posted September 23, 2011 Author Report Posted September 23, 2011 Our health care system has no actuarial basis: like the US Social Security, it's "Pay As You Go". What? That has nothing to do with the Government of Canada (other than the comparatively small amount that they send in transfers). Smallc, what are our future health liabilities? Are they calculated? Do we have a fund for them? (Simple answer: No.) Actually, they are calculated. We don't have funds for them now, no, because we haven't collected them, In a Greek sense, I offer a different answer: "Governments will never have enough money to pay for the services that family offers." Again, what are you talking about? When the Canadian Army wants more money from taxpayers in the future, and money is tight, let's see what happens. The Canadian Forces is already getting a great deal of money. Quote
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