Moonlight Graham Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 If a guy really hates Muslims, why would he gun down white children? If a Muslim really hates Westerners, why would he blow up Muslims? Because they are, to him, apostates aka not true Muslims and an enemy for their ends. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
maple_leafs182 Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 Oh please, another cheap attempt to blame America for the sickness of Arab/Muslim societies. They're anti-democratic with or without the West. People like you act as if democracy, freedom, and prosperity are the default states of being for society until some evil outside force (in this case, the USA) comes in and messes with the social machinery. Absurd. What are you basing your logic off of? There are many democratically elected leaders that the US over threw to put one of their puppets in power. The US doesn't give a rats ass about spreading democracy. When all is said in done in Libya, I want to know who owns the oil. Quote │ _______ [███STOP███]▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ :::::::--------------Conservatives beleive ▄▅█FUNDING THIS█▅▄▃▂- - - - - --- -- -- -- -------- Liberals lie I██████████████████] ...◥⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙'(='.'=)' ⊙
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 What are you basing your logic off of? There are many democratically elected leaders that the US over threw to put one of their puppets in power. The US doesn't give a rats ass about spreading democracy. When all is said in done in Libya, I want to know who owns the oil. Paul Martin, former PM of Canada, the same guy who helped depose a democratically elected president in Haiti (plot was hatched in Montreal). Do Canadians like you have any idea what your government is actually involved in, or do you just obsess on what the Americans are doing? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
maple_leafs182 Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 How would you know if they're lying or not? What they are saying sounds rational to me. If there was a foreign country that spent the last few decades killing my family and friends, trying to control the political system of my country and neighboring countries, I would be angry at them to. Also, your government has a history of lying in order to go to war, for example, the gulf of Tonkin incident. Quote │ _______ [███STOP███]▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ :::::::--------------Conservatives beleive ▄▅█FUNDING THIS█▅▄▃▂- - - - - --- -- -- -- -------- Liberals lie I██████████████████] ...◥⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙'(='.'=)' ⊙
maple_leafs182 Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 Paul Martin, former PM of Canada, the same guy who helped depose a democratically elected president in Haiti (plot was hatched in Montreal). Do Canadians like you have any idea what your government is actually involved in, or do you just obsess on what the Americans are doing? I don't approve of my government either, I have said this several times. However, your government has been far more actively involved in the politics of other countries. Quote │ _______ [███STOP███]▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ :::::::--------------Conservatives beleive ▄▅█FUNDING THIS█▅▄▃▂- - - - - --- -- -- -- -------- Liberals lie I██████████████████] ...◥⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙'(='.'=)' ⊙
Guest American Woman Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 I don't approve of my government either, I have said this several times. However, your government has been far more actively involved in the politics of other countries. And your country has been along for the ride every time. You think because you're smaller and less powerful and therefore your actions are smaller and less powerful accordingly you hold any higher moral ground? Quote
Guest American Woman Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 What they are saying sounds rational to me. And it doesn't sound rational to me. So I ask you again. How do you know they aren't lying? What sounds rational to you isn't a truth detector. It's simply your opinion; your beliefs. If there was a foreign country that spent the last few decades killing my family and friends, Whose family and friends did we kill? trying to control the political system of my country and neighboring countries, I would be angry at them to. I take it you're referring to Saudi Arabia since we had bases there, but the fact of the matter is - they have their own country to blame for that. As I pointed out, bin Laden was kicked out of Saudi Arabia. So why should we appease him over Saudi Arabia? If a group of radical extremist murderous Canadians didn't want us doing business with Canada, is that who we should be listening to/dealing with? Or do you think perhaps your government is the one we should be dealing with? If bin Laden et al had/has a grievance regarding our presence in their country, they should deal with it in their country. If I didn't like my country's deals with China, do you think it would make sense if I took it out on China? On innocent Chinese citizens?? Also, your government has a history of lying in order to go to war, for example, the gulf of Tonkin incident. You do realize the present government is a completely different government from that of the gulf of Tonkin incident, right? Or do you think if Trudeau lied about something it's proof of Harper's dishonesty? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 (edited) I don't approve of my government either, I have said this several times. However, your government has been far more actively involved in the politics of other countries. No you haven't...it is always as a detached tangent from American policy, often forced on you by American members here. Very few have the guts to actually call your own government out directly, irrespective of American policies. Why is that? What's the big secret? Keep your head in the sand.... Edited September 15, 2011 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 And your country has been along for the ride every time. You think because you're smaller and less powerful and therefore your actions are smaller and less powerful accordingly you hold any higher moral ground? Yep...that's exactly how some (not all) rationalize there own government's actions. It's a lot easier to point at the US rather than be accountable for their own "foreign policy". Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
maple_leafs182 Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 And your country has been along for the ride every time. You think because you're smaller and less powerful and therefore your actions are smaller and less powerful accordingly you hold any higher moral ground? No, not at all. We are in the US section of a forum talking about why someone else attacked America. Of course I'm going to talk about America. Quote │ _______ [███STOP███]▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ :::::::--------------Conservatives beleive ▄▅█FUNDING THIS█▅▄▃▂- - - - - --- -- -- -- -------- Liberals lie I██████████████████] ...◥⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙'(='.'=)' ⊙
Guest American Woman Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 No, not at all. We are in the US section of a forum talking about why someone else attacked America. Of course I'm going to talk about America. Why speak of only one aspect of the attack? - You think you're limited by being in the US section of the forum? Are you discussing other aspects of it - Canada's actions - in the federal section, for example? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 Why speak of only one aspect of the attack? - You think you're limited by being in the US section of the forum? Are you discussing other aspects of it - Canada's actions - in the federal section, for example? Probably not.....unwritten rule here is that we mustn't talk about Canada in the US Politics area, but it is open season on the US in any other area of the forum! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest American Woman Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 Probably not.....unwritten rule here is that we mustn't talk about Canada in the US Politics area, but it is open season on the US in any other area of the forum! Yeah, there are some who are rather eager to remind us of that "rule." Quote
maple_leafs182 Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 (edited) I want to try and understand why they attacked America on 9/11. You keep saying things about Canada's foreign policy...that is irrelevant to the conversation. There are so many people on this forum that are saying we should go and kill the Muslims. How do you expect them to react to this. Hypothetically, Imagine a Muslim person in Iran or wherever was reading the messages on this forum. Reading so many comments from people saying that we should kill them all because they are evil, how would you expect that person to react? Edited September 15, 2011 by maple_leafs182 Quote │ _______ [███STOP███]▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ :::::::--------------Conservatives beleive ▄▅█FUNDING THIS█▅▄▃▂- - - - - --- -- -- -- -------- Liberals lie I██████████████████] ...◥⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙'(='.'=)' ⊙
Bob Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 I want to try and understand why they attacked America on 9/11. You keep saying things about Canada's foreign policy...that is irrelevant to the conversation. There are so many people on this forum that are saying we should go and kill the Muslims. How do you expect them to react to this. Hypothetically, Imagine a Muslim person in Iran or wherever was reading the messages on this forum. Reading so many comments from people saying that we should kill them all because they are evil, how would you expect that person to react? When has everyone ever said that all Muslims should be killed? I've certainly ever seen anything said like that. Quote My blog - bobinisrael.blogspot.com - I am writing on it, again!
maple_leafs182 Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 When has everyone ever said that all Muslims should be killed? I've certainly ever seen anything said like that. Fine not all Muslisms. Either way, many here are saying that these wars should continue, that we should murder more people over there. How do you react to that if you are living there. Quote │ _______ [███STOP███]▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ :::::::--------------Conservatives beleive ▄▅█FUNDING THIS█▅▄▃▂- - - - - --- -- -- -- -------- Liberals lie I██████████████████] ...◥⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙'(='.'=)' ⊙
dre Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 (edited) I want to try and understand why they attacked America on 9/11. You keep saying things about Canada's foreign policy...that is irrelevant to the conversation. There are so many people on this forum that are saying we should go and kill the Muslims. How do you expect them to react to this. Hypothetically, Imagine a Muslim person in Iran or wherever was reading the messages on this forum. Reading so many comments from people saying that we should kill them all because they are evil, how would you expect that person to react? You keep saying things about Canada's foreign policy...that is irrelevant to the conversation. Yeah thats their schtick. Retarded sideshow rants and the attempt to view every single issue through the lens of some wierd trip they have with Canada/US. Edited September 15, 2011 by dre Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Bob Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 Fine not all Muslisms. Either way, many here are saying that these wars should continue, that we should murder more people over there. How do you react to that if you are living there. I don't care about them. I want a secure military victory over our enemies. This "winning hearts and minds" absurdity from the left (that includes Bush, who certainly subscribed to many leftist perspectives) is insanity. Get in there, give 'em hell, and get out. And if they get out of line again, mow the lawn. It blows my mind that America has the most advanced military technology in the world, and spends so much money on all of this, yet never seems to really use its power. Prosecuting these "half-wars" while placing soldiers in incredibly dangerous situations exclusively for the purpose of reducing the likelihood of harm befalling "civilians" is exactly what leads to long, drawn-out wars with high casualties. How else do you explain how a military like America's with her allies is still in a primitive and pathetic country like Afghanistan? The answer - America doesn't have the will to actually go in and do what's necessary to secure a military victory. Bleeding hearts... Quote My blog - bobinisrael.blogspot.com - I am writing on it, again!
Guest American Woman Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 I want to try and understand why they attacked America on 9/11. You keep saying things about Canada's foreign policy...that is irrelevant to the conversation. It's not irrelevant to the posts being replied to. There are so many people on this forum that are saying we should go and kill the Muslims. How do you expect them to react to this. I haven't even seen one person on this board saying that. Hypothetically, Imagine a Muslim person in Iran or wherever was reading the messages on this forum. Reading so many comments from people saying that we should kill them all because they are evil, how would you expect that person to react? Since that's not what anyone is saying, your question has no bearing. However, people have said that we had it coming re: 9-11. Since you apparently are able to put yourself in a Muslim person's in Iran or whatever shoes, how do you expect Americans to react? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 Yeah thats their schtick. Retarded sideshow rants and the attempt to view every single issue through the lens of some wierd trip they have with Canada/US. Not so weird....Canada's foreign policy certainly has plenty of warts in this context, so why wasn't "attacked"? If foreign policy motivates terrorist attacks, then surely Canada is long overdue. And one person here claims Canada already "has it coming". Go figure.... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 ....How else do you explain how a military like America's with her allies is still in a primitive and pathetic country like Afghanistan? The answer - America doesn't have the will to actually go in and do what's necessary to secure a military victory. Bleeding hearts... Well, to be fair, Canada doesn't even have the capability to do so even if it wanted to. It didn't even bring tactical air to Afghanistan because it was an airfield too far. Cheap hearts.... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Sir Bandelot Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 Not so weird....Canada's foreign policy certainly has plenty of warts in this context, so why wasn't "attacked"? If foreign policy motivates terrorist attacks, then surely Canada is long overdue. And one person here claims Canada already "has it coming". Go figure.... They have tried, but our security agents discovered the plot and were able to stop them. The 'Toronto 18' plot is one such incident, but there have been others that are not so well known. Our government tends to try and keep these occurrences quiet, where possible. It's advantageous to do so, not only to minimize public fear but to maintain clandestine operations. Suggest you guys try and do same Quote
GostHacked Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 That's not my question. My question is how does he know al Qaeda et al aren't lying? Well, my question is : How do you know your government is not lying? And I am asking you not him. My comment was in regards to your not asking him how he knows al Qaeda et al aren't lying, but instead ask me a question about something I've never claimed. Again, quite - interesting. And now you pursue the issue with me rather than asking him - again, even though I've never made such a claim. Very - interesting - indeed. This is a forum right? I can ask anyone a question right? You don't have to make any claim for me to ask you a question. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 They have tried, but our security agents discovered the plot and were able to stop them. The 'Toronto 18' plot is one such incident, but there have been others that are not so well known. OK...but frankly, I can't even pick a high profile target in Canada to compare. Not as many high profile targets in Canada. Our government tends to try and keep these occurrences quiet, where possible. It's advantageous to do so, not only to minimize public fear but to maintain clandestine operations. Suggest you guys try and do same It is very difficult to keep the illegal parking of Boeing 767-200's at the WTC very quiet....or truck bombs in the basement. People just can't keep a secret! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
guyser Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 OK...but frankly, I can't even pick a high profile target in Canada to compare. Not as many high profile targets in Canada. Pfft , you should come here more often. Why we have... The Big Nickle in Sudbury Big Apple on the 401. Wayne Gretzky statue Terry Fox statue Quote
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