Topaz Posted August 19, 2011 Report Posted August 19, 2011 The MP for Simcoe-Grey, who is also a doctor has been sent a letter by her membership to do the right thing and defend the labeling of asbestos and educate her party of the dangers. IF she decide to do so, would she risk the chance of Harper throwing her out of the party? Thoughts? http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/choose-ethics-over-asbestos-exports-mds-tell-physician-turned-tory-mp/article2134228/ Quote
Wild Bill Posted August 19, 2011 Report Posted August 19, 2011 (edited) The MP for Simcoe-Grey, who is also a doctor has been sent a letter by her membership to do the right thing and defend the labeling of asbestos and educate her party of the dangers. IF she decide to do so, would she risk the chance of Harper throwing her out of the party? Thoughts? http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/choose-ethics-over-asbestos-exports-mds-tell-physician-turned-tory-mp/article2134228/ What an obvious setup! Have a Tory MP stir up all the ruckus! Then when Quebec gets mad, she won't know she should really blame the opposition! The CPC will lose all the Quebec votes, not the NDP or Liberals! The NDP and the Liberals should do the right thing! They should publicly call for the immediate shut down of the Quebec asbestos industry, due to the dangers of the product! THEY are the ones really calling for this to be done. THEY are the ones who should stand or fall politically on the idea! Edited August 19, 2011 by Wild Bill Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Tilter Posted August 19, 2011 Report Posted August 19, 2011 I wonder if the citizens of the third world can access the ongoing class action law suits for mesothelioma now empowered in the USA that also extends to Canadian citizens. The advent of paying out BILLIONS to third worlders whould make Quebec take notice that asbestos is Poison. Quote
Bonam Posted August 20, 2011 Report Posted August 20, 2011 MPs should have the freedom to vote according to their own opinions and/or in accordance with the views of their constituents, rather than being obliged to vote the party line. That is probably one of my biggest dislikes about the Canadian form of democracy. Quote
TimG Posted August 20, 2011 Report Posted August 20, 2011 (edited) The advent of paying out BILLIONS to third worlders whould make Quebec take notice that asbestos is Poison.Sorry. The duty is on the governments of those countries to decide whether a substance is safe or not. The Canadian government has no responsibility here. Edited August 20, 2011 by TimG Quote
Wild Bill Posted August 20, 2011 Report Posted August 20, 2011 MPs should have the freedom to vote according to their own opinions and/or in accordance with the views of their constituents, rather than being obliged to vote the party line. That is probably one of my biggest dislikes about the Canadian form of democracy. Interesting how many 'techies' believe in so many of the old Reform Party principles! I think that's because if you are trained in practical disciplines you become a 'Utilitarian', appreciating things that WORK and holding those that are obvious pipedreams in contempt! Although once again I guess it depends on your REAL goal! As a wise woman once said, there are no wrong conclusions, rather you started with false premises! If your goal is to have a system controlled by parties and not citizens, I'd say its working very well... Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
jbg Posted August 20, 2011 Report Posted August 20, 2011 The NDP and the Liberals should do the right thing! They should publicly call for the immediate shut down of the Quebec asbestos industry, due to the dangers of the product!THEY are the ones really calling for this to be done. THEY are the ones who should stand or fall politically on the idea! They probably will. The Liberals are known as being stand-up people. Just ask Sgro, Gaglione, and Chretien. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
cybercoma Posted August 20, 2011 Report Posted August 20, 2011 There's some things more important than being backed by a party or even being an MP. They should do what's right and stand behind the hazardous materials labelling for asbestos, regardless of their party. If they're kicked out of the CPC for doing so, then they should rest happy knowing that they took a stand to save lives. I would much rather lose my job trying to save lives than continue to make a living being a murderer. Quote
Smallc Posted August 20, 2011 Report Posted August 20, 2011 (edited) Interesting how many 'techies' believe in so many of the old Reform Party principles! I think that's because if you are trained in practical disciplines you become a 'Utilitarian', appreciating things that WORK and holding those that are obvious pipedreams in contempt! Well, actually, from a standpoint of things actually working, not having to wrangle all the individual MPs works far better. Just look south if you don't believe me. Seriously though, MPs are really free to vote as they want. If 50 of them decide not to support the leader, what's going to happen to them? If they want to take a stand regarding asbestos being bad (since everyone knows it is), really, what is the party going to do? All of this has nothing to do with our system of government though, it simply has to do with a political model that has developed, as far as I can tell, in the name of getting things done. Take that as you will, but it doesn't seem to be serving Canada all that badly in terms of good, effective government. There is also the reality that during the string of minorities we just had, on some votes, MPs did break party lines. It isn't as monolithic as some like to make it out to be. Edited August 20, 2011 by Smallc Quote
Wild Bill Posted August 20, 2011 Report Posted August 20, 2011 (edited) There's some things more important than being backed by a party or even being an MP. They should do what's right and stand behind the hazardous materials labelling for asbestos, regardless of their party. If they're kicked out of the CPC for doing so, then they should rest happy knowing that they took a stand to save lives. I would much rather lose my job trying to save lives than continue to make a living being a murderer. I could agree with you if the Liberals and the NDP had enough character to also stand up an publicly stand for the same thing! To hide behind the curtains and use proxies to try to get the CPC to take all the heat is politics at its most despicable! With all the new Quebec MPs, do you really believe that the NDP would take a stand against asbestos? In another life! This is just another one of those instances that show why I vote for who smells the least and never get a chance to vote for someone I truly approve! THEY ALL STINK! THIS SNEAKY ATTEMPT JUST PROVES IT! Edited August 20, 2011 by Wild Bill Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Oleg Bach Posted August 20, 2011 Report Posted August 20, 2011 "What should an MP do? - - - - - Do what is right - stand up for what is just - even if it costs them their postion. If a member can not to that - and is NOT willing to forfiet all for the cause of service - then that MP is not worth their salt. Being an elected offical is not just about being re-elected. Those who think in those terms are unfit. Quote
Wild Bill Posted August 20, 2011 Report Posted August 20, 2011 "What should an MP do? - - - - - Do what is right - stand up for what is just - even if it costs them their postion. If a member can not to that - and is NOT willing to forfiet all for the cause of service - then that MP is not worth their salt. Being an elected offical is not just about being re-elected. Those who think in those terms are unfit. Yep! I'd like a pony, while you're at it, Oleg! Any more wishes? Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Oleg Bach Posted August 20, 2011 Report Posted August 20, 2011 Yep! I'd like a pony, while you're at it, Oleg! Any more wishes? You can have a pony. As you know if you want something you have to ask for it. Shameless idealism combined with a rebel spriit that is willing to perish in order to win the good fight is not something to scof at... We have to ask our politicals to do their real job - if we don't they won't. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 20, 2011 Report Posted August 20, 2011 You can have a pony. As you know if you want something you have to ask for it. Shameless idealism combined with a rebel spriit that is willing to perish in order to win the good fight is not something to scof at... We have to ask our politicals to do their real job - if we don't they won't. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qb0vquRcys Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Oleg Bach Posted August 20, 2011 Report Posted August 20, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qb0vquRcys That's one of my favorite commericals - you can tell by the expressions that a hidden camera was used for some of the shots...the adult in the commerical is sooooo political - and the kids are so us. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted August 20, 2011 Report Posted August 20, 2011 A politican should be like a good soldier -who is willing to charge into the withering fire...and go for broke - that's the way wars are won - Politicals are not willing to go for broke - hence the military forces are not allowed to go full tilt and do their job - it is a nasty trickle down effect consisting of self preservation and cowardice...I think we hit on the simple solution - If you are not willing to run through the fire - go home. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted August 20, 2011 Report Posted August 20, 2011 Again - you got a laugh out of me - the check is in the mail. Quote
Newfoundlander Posted August 20, 2011 Report Posted August 20, 2011 What an obvious setup! Have a Tory MP stir up all the ruckus! Then when Quebec gets mad, she won't know she should really blame the opposition! The CPC will lose all the Quebec votes, not the NDP or Liberals! The NDP and the Liberals should do the right thing! They should publicly call for the immediate shut down of the Quebec asbestos industry, due to the dangers of the product! THEY are the ones really calling for this to be done. THEY are the ones who should stand or fall politically on the idea! Michael Ignatieff did when he was leader. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted August 20, 2011 Report Posted August 20, 2011 Asbestos is like a crimmial substance - so is are many useful substances - it is about containment - you don't shut down an industry because the product is a hazard if not used properly. Almost all dangerous substances cause illness - petrolem products are one of the great cancer causing agents - yet we do not out law cars - we do our best to contain the poison. Quote
cybercoma Posted August 20, 2011 Report Posted August 20, 2011 I could agree with you if the Liberals and the NDP had enough character to also stand up an publicly stand for the same thing! To hide behind the curtains and use proxies to try to get the CPC to take all the heat is politics at its most despicable! With all the new Quebec MPs, do you really believe that the NDP would take a stand against asbestos? In another life! This is just another one of those instances that show why I vote for who smells the least and never get a chance to vote for someone I truly approve! THEY ALL STINK! THIS SNEAKY ATTEMPT JUST PROVES IT! I don't know what the NDP would do nor do I care. What they should do is exactly what I said. Quote
Sir Bandelot Posted August 20, 2011 Report Posted August 20, 2011 MPs should have the freedom to vote according to their own opinions and/or in accordance with the views of their constituents, rather than being obliged to vote the party line. That is probably one of my biggest dislikes about the Canadian form of democracy. Which democratic country does not do that? Quote
Wild Bill Posted August 20, 2011 Report Posted August 20, 2011 I don't know what the NDP would do nor do I care. What they should do is exactly what I said. Well, I agree with you about what they SHOULD do! However, it's pretty obvious that I'm right that they are just trying to set the Tories up! Even though it's not my point to prove, I've done some googling and I can't find a damn thing showing that the NDP and/or the Liberals have taken a clearly defined stand on the issue of banning asbestos and losing those jobs in Quebec! Lots of "proxies" in between though. Doctors organizations, the Canadian Labour Congress and other labour groups historically sympathetic to the NDP cause. Nothing at all from the usual Liberal supporters. They Toronto Star has been reporting heavily about the Tory doctor MP and the letter from the medical group. I couldn't find any mention of asbestos mines and their jobs in Quebec being in jeopardy. So unless someone has some cites to prove otherwise, I'm staking my claim on this one! It's just a cheap setup to get the Tories into hot water in Quebec, by a bunch of hypocrites in the NDP and Liberals! Now, I wonder if by the time BattleToads and Guyser jump in to accuse me of being a conservative Tory lover the Tories won't have done the exact same thing over some other issue! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
jbg Posted August 21, 2011 Report Posted August 21, 2011 MPs should have the freedom to vote according to their own opinions and/or in accordance with the views of their constituents, rather than being obliged to vote the party line. That is probably one of my biggest dislikes about the Canadian form of democracy. Which democratic country does not do that? Just try doing that. Would an MP expect his or her nominating papers to be signed next time around? Even if allowed to remain in the party caucus? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
BubberMiley Posted August 21, 2011 Report Posted August 21, 2011 The Liberals are known as being stand-up people. Just ask Sgro, Gaglione, and Chretien. For a second I thought this must be a resurrected thread from five years ago. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
jbg Posted August 22, 2011 Report Posted August 22, 2011 For a second I thought this must be a resurrected thread from five years ago. Doesn't change how great those patriots were. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
.thumb.jpg.9a49e1b2f22a6d34a345152c50044aa9.jpg)
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.