Could guns help keep the peace?

[Shwa]

Could guns help keep the peace?

Interesting opinion piece in the Sun today, another exploration from the fringe.

I received a call on my Corus Radio show this week from a fellow named Sean.

He said he had an M16 rifle, the U.S. military's weapon of choice.

As he was watching the riots in London, he was fantasizing about being up in a tower and shooting the very first person that tries to loot a store. Sean said he thought if he could do that, there would instantly be some self-correcting behaviour and the looting would come to an end.

He wanted to know whether I ever fantasized about being what he called the "social janitor," the guy who goes into the human sewer and cleans things up. I told him when I see the news clips out of London, I naturally think about Charles Bronson and a scene from Death Wish II.

So while Adler draws a line from a Bronson movie to this week's riots in England, he does make one interesting keystone point:

There won't be any looting in Switzerland, ever. There won't even be a fantasy. Swiss families are protected by what's in their culture, their laws, their heads, their hearts and their gun racks.

There are 700,000 assault rifles registered in Switzerland. And you can bet your bullets Zurich and Bern and Geneva will never look like London.

The revolution that set Zurich streets ablaze

Youth in the 1980s

Swiss election sparks riots and racism

Riots in Swiss cities during May Day marches

Swiss capital plagued by weekend riots

Anti-capitalists clash with riot police in Davos

So Adler, giving light to a murdering fantasy from one of his callers, something that recalls Charles Whitman and the University of Texas shootings, then proceeds to move from a Charles Bronson movie fantasy to stating that the Swiss would never riot because of their guns. Another fantasy.

Seriously, Adler is an idiot of the highest degree. What makes him worse is that he has a platform to spew his fictions and a gullible audience that believes him.

[Saipan]

Seriously, Adler is an idiot of the highest degree. What makes him worse is that he has a platform to spew his fictions and a gullible audience that believes him.

So why were not Korean and other protected with firearms stores looted during LA riots?

On the other hand:

There was in fact real "Unarmed Society" in NY. They did

have stickers for home windows "There are no guns in this home".

After several got robbed and couple killed the "society" quietly

dissolved.

[Oleg Bach]

I don`t need no damned gun to keep the peace - I have a mind that can do that..Those that need a weapon are the mentally unskilled peasants - If they need a weapon let them have one - not all of us are lucky enough to have intelligence.

[Saipan]

I don`t need no damned gun to keep the peace - I have a mind that can do that..

Jews had better minds. But got slaughtered like cattle.

Those that need a weapon are the mentally unskilled peasants

Maybe we should fire the police

[Shwa]

So why were not Korean and other protected with firearms stores looted during LA riots?

Why were Korean and other protected-with-firearm-stores looted and burned during the LA riots?

Korean armed resistance in the Los Angeles riots

Korean Merchants suffered five shop owners killed, 2,100 businesses burned, more than $350 million in damage, or nearly half the city's total from the riots.

Adler seems to think that the *only* businesses that escaped harm were those whose owners were armed. I see no proof of that anywhere, but the gullible eat that up like like pigs in shit.

Deaths in the 1992 LA Riot

Edward Song Lee

TIME: 9:50 p.m. LOCATION: Near corner of Third Street and Hobart Boulevard, Wilshire District

Lee, 18, a Korean-American living with his mom in the Wilshire District, was out with three friends when they got into a fight with another group of Koreans. Police responded to the gunfight and exchanged fire with both groups. Lee suffered two fatal hits to the chest as he sat in the front seat of a car. Someone in the rival group shot him. Detectives later learned the gun battle was a tragic mistake. Each group had been protecting Korean-owned stores and mistook the other for looters. Police made an arrest; no charges filed.

[Saipan]

Adler seems to think that the *only* businesses that escaped harm were those whose owners were armed. I see no proof of that anywhere, but the gullible eat that up like like pigs in shit.

No need to get all upset. This is democracy. You're always FREE not to defend yourself

THOSE WHO BEAT THEIR SWORDS INTO PLOWSHARES PLOW FOR THOSE WHO DON'T.

[Shwa]

No need to get all upset. This is democracy. You're always FREE not to defend yourself

THOSE WHO BEAT THEIR SWORDS INTO PLOWSHARES PLOW FOR THOSE WHO DON'T.

Thanks for that. I'll remember that the next time I am at Medieval Times.

[Saipan]

You're very welcome.

And one more.

"When the strong man fully armed guardeth his own court, his goods are in peace."

Jesus Christ [Luke 11:21.6]

[Shwa]

You're very welcome.

And one more.

"When the strong man fully armed guardeth his own court, his goods are in peace."

Jesus Christ [Luke 11:21.6]

Here's one for you:

"...Zurich and Bern and Geneva will never look like London." - Charles Adler, August 11, 2011

[wyly]

the USA is the most gun crazed place on the planet and that fact prevented any mass slaughters?...Norway has lots' of guns did that prevent the recent slaughter? where were the armed citizens?...the gun strokers continually come up with stupid logic to justify owning a weapon...

[bjre]

the USA is the most gun crazed place on the planet and that fact prevented any mass slaughters?...Norway has lots' of guns did that prevent the recent slaughter? where were the armed citizens?...the gun strokers continually come up with stupid logic to justify owning a weapon...

because the weapon industry want more profit.

[Saipan]

the USA is the most gun crazed place on the planet and that fact prevented any mass slaughters?

When the crazed Jamaican walked through the commuter train in NJ shooting all Asian and Caucasian men non of them had a handgun to defend themself.

...Norway has lots' of guns did that prevent the recent slaughter? where were the armed citizens?...the gun strokers continually come up with stupid logic to justify owning a weapon...

Commercial pilots were disarmed just before 911 WTC.

Raging Against Self Defense: A Psychiatrist Examines The Anti Gun

Mentality By Sarah Thompson, M.D.

http://www.jpfo.org/filegen-n-z/ragingagainstselfdefense.htm

[Saipan]

because the weapon industry want more profit.

So does car industry.

And why are most "weapons" produced in China?

[Wild Bill]

Raging Against Self Defense: A Psychiatrist Examines The Anti Gun

Mentality By Sarah Thompson, M.D.

http://www.jpfo.org/filegen-n-z/ragingagainstselfdefense.htm

What a fascinating paper! I've always wondered about the illogic of attacking the right of self-defense. This lady makes it very clear... many people who support this idea are nuts!

Not "funny farm" nuts, just "can't face it clearly" nuts. Projection, special status and so one are perfectly sensible explanations. To do this is so human. We all fool ourselves in various ways to various degrees. It's just that those who think the police can protect them from some Marc LePine nutbar take it to a higher level.

I've saved this to my files.

[Oleg Bach]

Jews had better minds. But got slaughtered like cattle.

Maybe we should fire the police

"Jews had bette minds" That is so anti-semetic...what makes you think that Asain math students or Jews have better minds - If the Jews had better minds it would not have happened- so apprently this stuff about all blacks can dance and Jews run the banks because they are smarter than the rest of us...is true? I don't think so - the evidence points in the other direction - away from "better" _ if their minds were so superiour - why has Israel not solved one single real problem concerning their existance since 1946...that does not show superiour intelligence - It actuall show they are dumb and in need of our protection.

[Saipan]

"Jews had bette minds" That is so anti-semetic...

What's a semetic?

what makes you think that Asain math students or Jews have better minds

What makes you think I do? Where's the Asian connection to what happen to Jews?

- If the Jews had better minds it would not have happened-

Hitler the house painter was exterminating Jews because they were not smart enough?

[Topaz]

I was watching the BBC news and they were saying the rioting was done by people of ALL ages and all ethnics and the common thing they had was not educated and unemployed. Perhaps the corporations going to Third World countries and taking the jobs with them is causing an outcry among its citzens and I could see this spread around the world in time. On the other hand, the education rule in England was changed, and parents aren't seeing their kids are getting the education that they need. So its seems this is more a social problem more than anything else. Although, apparently the young man that was killed by the police, the media reported he fired at the police and this has turn out to be wrong, he didn't, but he was shot and killed.

[Oleg Bach]

What's a semetic?

What makes you think I do? Where's the Asian connection to what happen to Jews?

Hitler the house painter was exterminating Jews because they were not smart enough?

[/quote)

Both Arabs and Jews are decendants of Shem - the son of Noah...they are Shemites - the modern term is Semite - but not used anymore to describe both tribes..

You hit on something very important - There has been a MYTH in cirulation for a thousand years that Jews are the smartest people on earth - This is simply not true - It appears that perhaps where anti-semitism truly originated was when stupid people who believed the MYTH - wanted to take things over - so like Stalin - or Hitler - and Marx they decided to exterminate the smart people so they could rule...problem was that killing Jews did not work - simply because no one race or group has a monopoly in intelligent people - IT was a mistake...to assume that you were killing the brilliant - and evidently history has proven that the brilliant managed to escape - always!

[Shwa]

What a fascinating paper! I've always wondered about the illogic of attacking the right of self-defense. This lady makes it very clear... many people who support this idea are nuts!

Not "funny farm" nuts, just "can't face it clearly" nuts. Projection, special status and so one are perfectly sensible explanations. To do this is so human. We all fool ourselves in various ways to various degrees. It's just that those who think the police can protect them from some Marc LePine nutbar take it to a higher level.

I've saved this to my files.

Did you save the Adler article to your files too?

[Bonam]

I don't think so - the evidence points in the other direction - away from "better" _ if their minds were so superiour - why has Israel not solved one single real problem concerning their existance since 1946...that does not show superiour intelligence - It actuall show they are dumb and in need of our protection.

Well, their minds are probably "superior" enough to know that Israel has existed since 1948, not 1946. As for what problems of Israel's existence they've solved since 1946, let's see:

- bringing Israel into existence in 1948

- on multiple occasions, defeating invading Arab hordes that had ten times their numbers and a hundred times their land and resources

- finding a way to produce food for a rapidly growing population in an arid wasteland

- absorbing ten times the nation's population in penniless half-starved refugees while maintaining a prospering advanced economy

Just a few examples off the top of my head.

[Saipan]

I was watching the BBC news and they were saying the rioting was done by people of ALL ages and all ethnics

That's what they suppose to say. Just like CBC.

But look who does most of the shootings in Toronto.

Perhaps the corporations going to Third World countries and taking the jobs with them is causing an outcry

It's the third world with no skill and education coming to UK that causes the problem.

[Saipan]

You hit on something very important - There has been a MYTH in cirulation for a thousand years that Jews are the smartest people on earth

Your words not mine.

Edited August 13, 2011 by Saipan

[Oleg Bach]

GUNS - I like them as toys - But can not have one in the city...where you going to fire the damned thing? No one should take guns seriously...and to use a gun to ensure peace? - well - that's kind of ensuring that a mean spirited drunk has a constant supply of booze - You are just asking for trouble. Some senseless people who's lives are a big disappointment are just itching to shoot someone...I had a father in law like that that was an X-cop...He looked up to "Moe" across the field in the next house...quote..."Moe killed a man in Vancouver" - the old X-cop thought that Moe was real cool....

Later I had to call the cops to remove my father inlaws arsenal...The old revolver - the lever action Winchester - the bolt action 22 - the semi - auto 22 - both of the shot guns ---along with that picture of Clint Eastwood that I regret giving him...Old Roy the X-cop really wanted to shoot someone before he died --------me.

[Shwa]

That's what they suppose to say. Just like CBC.

But look who does most of the shootings in Toronto.

Those who do the most shootings in Toronto are idiot gun owners.

It's the third world with no skill and education coming to UK that causes the problem.

But not in Canada, otherwise you would be condemning yourself right?

[Remiel]

The truth is that he’s statistically more likely to be murdered by a neighbor who doesn’t legally carry a firearm(1) ...

I do not care to read that whole article, but I am curious as to how this is meant. Does it mean simply that it is more likely to be murdered by a non-firearm wielding neighbour, or more likely to be murdered by a neighbour that has a firearm but not legally? Is it relying on absolute rates of murder, or is it relative to number of legal firearm wielding neighbours? I mean, the odds of your being killed by a neighbour with a legal firearm are not the same as the odds of someone with a legal fire arm killing a neighbour, depending on how you are presenting the data.

If this seems crazy to you, imagine a person owning a gun has a 1/100 chance of killing one of their neighbours. But the neighbours only had a 1/100 chance of having a neighbour with a gun. This gives the person a 1/10000 chance of being killing be a neighbour with a gun. Now, the odds of your neighbour having a knife are pretty much 1/1. Now, for any given person with a knife say there is a 1/9999 chance they stab a neighbour. This means that for any person there is a 1/9999 chance of being stabbed, which is technically higher than the chance of being shot. Yet obviously " neighbours with guns are less dangerous " is an entirely wrong conclusion from this example.