bloodyminded Posted September 6, 2011 Report Posted September 6, 2011 This shows that you are out of touch with the reality of the situation. When Obama loses, some will be totally shocked and this includes the far left. The far left are not generally big Obama fans. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
bloodyminded Posted September 6, 2011 Report Posted September 6, 2011 It's part of the knee-jerk anti-Americanism that passes for intelligent thought in my country. It's also a part of the pseudo-superiority that many Canadians feel. Which is a result of a massive inferiority complex many left of centre Canadians feel for some reason. Yep, they're pretty messed up. Luckily, they've been made pretty irrelevant thanks to the last couple of elections here. They're basically a fringe element now. I agree in part, except that much of the bashing--including here on this thread--is coming from the Canadian Right. Own it, Shady, instead of passing it off as yet more monstrosities from the mythically-enhanced "Left." Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
Argus Posted September 6, 2011 Report Posted September 6, 2011 Came across this. It`s kind of interesting, and kind of goofy. It would certainly make for amusing political theatre in the unlikely event Perry ever became president. He wouldn`t have much time for, you know, governing, but hey, hot button issues of the far light can be fun too. Seven Ways Perry Wants To Change The Constitution Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Guest American Woman Posted September 6, 2011 Report Posted September 6, 2011 Regarding Perry's religious/God based comments, I agree with this observation: Historians and political scientists say Perry, who is actively testing the waters for a presidential campaign, may be ratcheting up religious rhetoric to seize the mantel of evangelical candidate in the Republican primary, only to frighten away a more mainstream general election electorate. link Regarding the comment that the U.S. is more religious than some may think, it's also less religious than some others may think. Quote
bloodyminded Posted September 6, 2011 Report Posted September 6, 2011 True. The very religious of America--and frankly, we're largely talking about conservative Christians in such conversations, rightly or too simplistically--are a pretty potent political force, though I find it hard to believe it's sinister and disturbing in every instance. However, the United States also has a robust liberal/left tradition and a strong impulse towards more secular views. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
Guest Derek L Posted September 6, 2011 Report Posted September 6, 2011 (edited) True. The very religious of America--and frankly, we're largely talking about conservative Christians in such conversations, rightly or too simplistically--are a pretty potent political force, though I find it hard to believe it's sinister and disturbing in every instance. However, the United States also has a robust liberal/left tradition and a strong impulse towards more secular views. Morally playing to one of these camps might not be the “right” thing to do (as per Goldwater on Falwell & Robertson), but having a secure base does win elections……..What matters I suppose is who’s base turns out on election day….. Edited September 6, 2011 by Derek L Quote
bloodyminded Posted September 6, 2011 Report Posted September 6, 2011 (edited) Morally playing to one of these camps might not be the “right” thing to do (as per Goldwater on Falwell & Robertson), but having a secure base does win elections……..What matters I suppose is who’s base turns out on election day….. I don't quite know what else they can do. Candidates tend to play, to some degree, to multiple bases. To do otherwise might well be political suicide. American woman quoted an article which posited that Historians and political scientists say Perry, who is actively testing the waters for a presidential campaign, may be ratcheting up religious rhetoric to seize the mantel of evangelical candidate in the Republican primary, only to frighten away a more mainstream general election electorate. Now, I don't know if this is accurate, but it sounds right to me. If Perry's campaign picks up more steam, I think we're going to see him pandering more obviously to other parts of the electorate, and quickly. Edited September 6, 2011 by bloodyminded Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
Guest Derek L Posted September 6, 2011 Report Posted September 6, 2011 I don't quite know what else they can do. Candidates tend to play, to some degree, to multiple bases. To do otherwise might well be political suicide. American woman quoted an article which posited that Now, I don't know if this is accurate, but it sounds right to me. If Perry's campaign picks up more steam, I think we're going to see him pandering more obviously to other parts of the electorate, and quickly. Defiantly, and I’m certain you’ll see Perry shift ever so slightly to the mainstream to appeal to the undecided…….This is also why I feel he’ll have a Palin like candidate on his ticket to keep the base happy. Quote
dre Posted September 6, 2011 Report Posted September 6, 2011 (edited) Guaranteeing a bunch of mortgages with little hope of being repaid by their borrowers is a program that's "working"? Please explain. More like financial corporations with very close ties to both parties and the politicians in them LOOT the US economy by defrauding investors, and then the politicians fear monger the tax payer into giving a trillion dollars to those companies. A beautifull scam! For the losers, the recession sucked, but for the winners... GREAT SUCCESS! . Enjoy round 2. Edited September 6, 2011 by dre Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
GostHacked Posted September 6, 2011 Report Posted September 6, 2011 More like financial corporations with very close ties to both parties and the politicians in them LOOT the US economy by defrauding investors, and then the politicians fear monger the tax payer into giving a trillion dollars to those companies. A beautifull scam! GREAT SUCCESS! . Enjoy round 2. Financial terrorism sponsored by the government! Quote
Bonam Posted September 6, 2011 Report Posted September 6, 2011 Why vexed? Voters get to pick any yahoo they want, and that includes religious zealots. Yep, they are free to pick anyone they want, and I am free to like or dislike their choice. Quote
Argus Posted September 6, 2011 Report Posted September 6, 2011 Yep, they are free to pick anyone they want, and I am free to like or dislike their choice. And think they`re idiots for making that choice... Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Bonam Posted September 7, 2011 Report Posted September 7, 2011 And think they`re idiots for making that choice... Certainly. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted September 7, 2011 Report Posted September 7, 2011 Defiantly, and I’m certain you’ll see Perry shift ever so slightly to the mainstream to appeal to the undecided…….This is also why I feel he’ll have a Palin like candidate on his ticket to keep the base happy. "Palin-like?" How would a "Palin-like" candidate keep the base happy? "The base" wasn't pleased with Palin. Quote
BubberMiley Posted September 7, 2011 Report Posted September 7, 2011 "The base" wasn't pleased with Palin. Nope. "The base" loved her and still do, though "the base" has been distracted by Bachmann. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
jbg Posted September 7, 2011 Report Posted September 7, 2011 Nope. "The base" loved her and still do, though "the base" has been distracted by Bachmann. Do you realize that "Al Quaeda" is Arabic for "the base"? Not too bad an analogy in this case. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Topaz Posted September 7, 2011 Report Posted September 7, 2011 My guess that he Bush family is backing Perry and IF that is true than his VP candidate could be...the former Gov. of Florida, Jeb Bush but its just a guess. Quote
Topaz Posted September 7, 2011 Report Posted September 7, 2011 My guess that he Bush family is backing Perry and IF that is true than his VP candidate could be...the former Gov. of Florida, Jeb Bush but its just a guess. Quote
jbg Posted September 7, 2011 Report Posted September 7, 2011 My guess that he Bush family is backing Perry and IF that is true than his VP candidate could be...the former Gov. of Florida, Jeb Bush but its just a guess. Not a chance. That would still be poison. If it were any Floridian it will be Rubio. And I think that's a very good shot. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Guest Derek L Posted September 7, 2011 Report Posted September 7, 2011 Not a chance. That would still be poison. If it were any Floridian it will be Rubio. And I think that's a very good shot. Good call.............I wonder if he'll play second fiddle.........Maybe might see if Obama repeats and go for it in 2016. Quote
jbg Posted September 7, 2011 Report Posted September 7, 2011 Good call.............I wonder if he'll play second fiddle.........Maybe might see if Obama repeats and go for it in 2016. Unless the Republicans really destroy each other, there's not much chance of an Obama repeat. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Guest Derek L Posted September 7, 2011 Report Posted September 7, 2011 Unless the Republicans really destroy each other, there's not much chance of an Obama repeat. Oh, I doubt it too, and unless Perry shits the bed, I'm sure he'll win..........I still don't believe in counting chickens before they hatched though Quote
BubberMiley Posted September 7, 2011 Report Posted September 7, 2011 I still don't believe in counting chickens before they hatched though Especially when it's pretty clear they're stillborn. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Guest Derek L Posted September 7, 2011 Report Posted September 7, 2011 "Palin-like?" How would a "Palin-like" candidate keep the base happy? "The base" wasn't pleased with Palin. The roughly ~20-25% that make up the religious and/or Tea Party faction of the GOP are pleased with "her type"............truth be told, as the days go on, I'm starting to doubt my prediction of Palin though........Even Bachmann is losing stock....... I like JBG's suggestion of Rubio though.......... Or what about a more centrist choice like a Rudy Giuliani as Perry's VP? Rudy might be able to carry the more moderate swing States.......... Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted September 8, 2011 Report Posted September 8, 2011 The sooner the economic illiterate currently occupying the White House is out of office, the better. To be replaced by who? Would the Bush, Clinton, Reagan, or Carter admins etc. have done any better? The problem is that special interests have massive influence on Congress and the White House, as well as just about every federal department. Many of these special interest groups are bipartisan, meaning they don't care which party they support as long as they go along with their demands. With every election it becomes more and more clear that it doesn't matter as much as we think if it's a Republican or Democrat in the White House, because each will be beholden in large part to the same special interests whom they rely on for money and votes etc. Big business and the banks have the government by the balls. If you vote for sellouts, you get sellouts. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
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