Smallc Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 I am simply assuming that any aboriginal leader with name recognition will tend to favour his own heritage over Canada given the public rhetoric used by these people. Provincial politicians have moved onto federal politics and vice versa. I don't really see the difference. There are different kinds of leaders at any level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charter.rights Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 Provincial politicians have moved onto federal politics and vice versa. I don't really see the difference. There are different kinds of leaders at any level. First Nations are not Canadians. That is the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 The real difference is that you're a troll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charter.rights Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 Reported Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusThermopyle Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 Reported Oooohhh! You showed him! Bet he's quaking in fear now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 Oooohhh! You showed him! Bet he's quaking in fear now! Yeah! Talk about your pots calling kettles names... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 Hold me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capricorn Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 First Nations are not Canadians. That is the difference. What are you saying? That First nations don't recognize borders? That First Nations are international citizens? If First Nations residing in Canada are not Canadians, then I would be tempted to say they have no country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capricorn Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 Reported For what? Accuracy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charter.rights Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 What are you saying? That First nations don't recognize borders? That First Nations are international citizens? If First Nations residing in Canada are not Canadians, then I would be tempted to say they have no country. Canada resides on First Nations lands. We're the foreigners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capricorn Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 Canada resides on First Nations lands. We're the foreigners. Canada is a country, First Nations is not. Canada is recognized internationally as a sovereign country, First Nations is not. Currency is the Canadian dollar, not the wampum. It is the way it is. No amount of moaning about foreigners and squatters will change that fact. What I do understand is that everyone needs a mission in life and you are welcome to continue banging your head against a brick wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charter.rights Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 (edited) Canada is a country, First Nations is not. Canada is recognized internationally as a sovereign country, First Nations is not. Currency is the Canadian dollar, not the wampum. It is the way it is. No amount of moaning about foreigners and squatters will change that fact. What I do understand is that everyone needs a mission in life and you are welcome to continue banging your head against a brick wall. Your myths don't counter the fact that Canada resides on First Nations lands. First Nations are sovereign peoples and have a right to self-government. First Nations can and do often use American currency but in reality none of that matters. There are no taxes on reserves and so the currency is irrelevent. The Free Lakota Nation Bank has created their own currency based on silver. Given that First Nations are now generating hundreds of billions a year in their own economic development it is just a matter of time before they create their own....or not... And by the way, any corporation can create currency. The Haudenosaunee Passport and Nation are recognized in over 42 countries world wide. One of them is the US. So They are also recognized internationally as a sovereign country. First Nations hold treaties simultaneously with the US and Canada. Treaties are international agreements recognized as prime law under the United Nations. That is the way it is. I realize that some people's mission in their life is to run away from and deny reality. That is why we have mental wards hospitals. You are welcome to keep banging you head agaisnt the wall, but I would assured you they will come for eventually if you do not stop. Edited July 16, 2011 by charter.rights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 That is the way it is. I realize that some people's mission in their life is to run away from and deny reality. That is why we have mental wards hospitals. You are welcome to keep banging you head agaisnt the wall, but I would assured you they will come for eventually if you do not stop. Maybe so, but we've drifted a long way from the opening post. I'm still waiting to hear you explain how with all this talk about natives being a sovereign country any aboriginal party leader has a hope in hell of getting enough Canadians to vote him in as PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charter.rights Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 Maybe so, but we've drifted a long way from the opening post. I'm still waiting to hear you explain how with all this talk about natives being a sovereign country any aboriginal party leader has a hope in hell of getting enough Canadians to vote him in as PM. Not me. I am arguing against that premise. No First Nation leader will ever be Prime Minister. Not Fountaine, not Atleo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 Well, Fontaine isn't a leader anyway. Actually, that means he would fit right into the current Liberal party. Seriously though, you're still wrong on so many levels. The burden of proof falls to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charter.rights Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 Well, Fontaine isn't a leader anyway. Actually, that means he would fit right into the current Liberal party. Seriously though, you're still wrong on so many levels. The burden of proof falls to you. I hear ya.... la la la la la (sung with hands over his ears) la la la la ....I can't hear you...... You have no proof and your opinion is a poor substitute for fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 I hear ya.... You have no proof and your opinion is a poor substitute for fact. I went back to your opening post. I see that you're absolutely right about your position! It was the way you set up your quote. You didn't change the font or make anything bold since it was all the same my eye took it to mean that the quote was actually just more of your own words. Sorry. I should have peered at it more closely. Still, a mere highlight and click on the 'italics' button would have prevented any misunderstanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Ashley Posted July 18, 2011 Report Share Posted July 18, 2011 (edited) Canada is a country, First Nations is not. Canada is recognized internationally as a sovereign country, First Nations is not. Currency is the Canadian dollar, not the wampum. It is the way it is. No amount of moaning about foreigners and squatters will change that fact. What I do understand is that everyone needs a mission in life and you are welcome to continue banging your head against a brick wall. First nations have recognition at the UN unlike say the Libyan Rebels. It seems the Harper government can throw their support behind the Libyan Rebels why not the First Nations. Edited July 18, 2011 by William Ashley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fellowtraveller Posted July 18, 2011 Report Share Posted July 18, 2011 First nations have recognition at the UN unlike say the Libyan Rebels. It seems the Harper government can throw their support behind the Libyan Rebels why not the First Nations. Doesn't the Harper Government, like all the federal govts before him, throw support to First Nations to the tune of around $8 billion per year, every year? Are the Libyans getting that kind of dough now from Canada? Oh, and thanks for posting something less than a page! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charter.rights Posted July 18, 2011 Report Share Posted July 18, 2011 Doesn't the Harper Government, like all the federal govts before him, throw support to First Nations to the tune of around $8 billion per year, every year? Are the Libyans getting that kind of dough now from Canada? Oh, and thanks for posting something less than a page! The $6 billion of the total $14 billion AANA budget is actually Indian monies in the first place. The government manages a $2trillion First Nations trust that is earning compounded interest at a rate of $35 billion annually. That means that the remaining $29 billion they earn in interest is added to the trust which by 2020 will have added another $1 trillion to the account. BTW the First Nations trust account does not include monies that will be paid by way of land claims or other settlement for loss of use. It is that actual amount owing today. If we were to add lands claims it is quite possible our total debt to First Nations could exceed $75 trillion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Posted July 18, 2011 Report Share Posted July 18, 2011 The $6 billion of the total $14 billion AANA budget is actually Indian monies in the first place. The government manages a $2trillion First Nations trust that is earning compounded interest at a rate of $35 billion annually. That means that the remaining $29 billion they earn in interest is added to the trust which by 2020 will have added another $1 trillion to the account. BTW the First Nations trust account does not include monies that will be paid by way of land claims or other settlement for loss of use. It is that actual amount owing today. If we were to add lands claims it is quite possible our total debt to First Nations could exceed $75 trillion. Wow! With that kind of money, they would never have to go to school! They would never have to invent or build anything for themselves. They could just lie back and pay someone to drop grapes in their mouths! I'm not sure if that money would be a blessing or a curse... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fellowtraveller Posted July 18, 2011 Report Share Posted July 18, 2011 The government manages a $2trillion First Nations trust $2 trillion is cash you say? $2 trillion divided by about 700,000 First Nations persons means the govt now owes each man, woman and child $300k and that number will soon be around $11.1 million per man, woman and child. And the govt has that in trust you say? With that kind of cash, they are bound to have a website, it only costs about $50/month. Link me to it. Now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted July 19, 2011 Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 (edited) Oh noes, I've been told not to call Charter Rights a troll. I apologize charter rights. Obviously, in the opinion of our moderators, you aren't in fact a troll. I can think of many other words to describe you though. Edited July 19, 2011 by Smallc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted July 19, 2011 Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 Oh noes, I've been told not to call Charter Rights a troll. I apologize charter rights. Obviously, in the opinion of our moderators, you aren't in fact a troll. I can think of many other words to describe you though. Care to list a few of them?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted July 19, 2011 Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 Care to list a few of them?? Maybe later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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