israel gets caught distributing hoax video

[Chippewa]

Oh for sure...the Holocaust was small potatoes. Hardly anything happened. Either way...get a refund.

The Canadian Holocaust seems like small potatoes. Although they sported a higher death rate then the Jewish Holocast, and the death rate lasted for decades at a time. First Nations don't get the type reports and news that would have showed the rest of the world, how genocidal Canada is and was.

First Nations could easily call any residential school a death camp, because thats exactly what they were. All the while, Immigrants profited off of First Nations resources and lands, without ever winning a war, or having to go to war for the land.

Edited July 28, 2011 by Chippewa

[Remiel]

The Canadian Holocaust seems like small potatoes. Although they sported a higher death rate then the Jewish Holocast, and the death rate lasted for decades at a time. First Nations don't get the type reports and news that would have showed the rest of the world, how genocidal Canada is and was.

First Nations could easily call any residential school a death camp, because thats exactly what they were. All the while, Immigrants profited off of First Nations resources and lands, without ever winning a war, or having to go to war for the land.

Bullshit. You keep harpin about his 51%, but at worst that is 51% of children who went to the schools. The 44% Jewish rate is 44% of ALL JEWS.

How many natives even lived in Canada at the beginning of the residential school policy?

[bloodyminded]

The Canadian Holocaust seems like small potatoes. Although they sported a higher death rate then the Jewish Holocast, and the death rate lasted for decades at a time. First Nations don't get the type reports and news that would have showed the rest of the world, how genocidal Canada is and was.

First Nations could easily call any residential school a death camp, because thats exactly what they were. All the while, Immigrants profited off of First Nations resources and lands, without ever winning a war, or having to go to war for the land.

It's not a comparable situation.

What was done to First Nations is horrific enough. Providing misleading analogies, especially framed as a pissing contest between victims, doesn't help anything.

[Chippewa]

Bullshit. You keep harpin about his 51%, but at worst that is 51% of children who went to the schools. The 44% Jewish rate is 44% of ALL JEWS.

How many natives even lived in Canada at the beginning of the residential school policy?

are we getting so pathetic we are arguing which death rate was worse. Some reports that with the Biological warfare from North American Governments or (Smallpox) blankets and disease that was distributed, that between 70% and 90% of the Native Population was exterminated, and almost to extinction, with the extinction of total tribes, languages, and cultures.

The Jews still have there culture, language, and a homelands to call there own. First Nations have reserves or Ghettos and own less then 1% of the land in Canada.

You have to factor in, that in the U.S.A, the Indian Removal Policy allowed monetary rewards for brutal murders like "Scalping". Some would pay 10 cents a scalp as a bounty on FIrst Nations people in North America. Hitler wouldn't even get that brutal by having brutal murders payed with a bounty. Although the result of death was the same in both instances. So I would disagree that the Jews had it worse then First Nations. We are talking about decades of oppression, not just a part of a decade. Look at Canada for instance, they turned away a boatload of Jewish people during the second world war, and sent them back to death camps or wherever. Just shows that WW2 was never about saving any people, other then caucazoids in europe.

[Remiel]

are we getting so pathetic we are arguing which death rate was worse.

You are the one that made the comparison.

[Bob]

It's not a comparable situation.

What was done to First Nations is horrific enough. Providing misleading analogies, especially framed as a pissing contest between victims, doesn't help anything.

I find this type of argumentation barely a notch above the "my dad can beat up your dad" level of argumentation we see in elementary school. And I am absolutely serious.

[bloodyminded]

I find this type of argumentation barely a notch above the "my dad can beat up your dad" level of argumentation we see in elementary school. And I am absolutely serious.

I don't see any reason to take it seriously.

Edited July 28, 2011 by bloodyminded

[jacee]

No pissing contest necessary. Genocide is horrific whenever, wherever, however, whoever, whyever. Insufficient as they may be, there are processes for prosecution and restitution. Education is a really important part of that. It's just beginning 'officially' and openly in Canada with an official apology from government that allows public discussion. There was no mention of genocide and only a passing reference that "some children died". The apology and the Truth and Reconciliation Commission both resulted from Canadian court settlement of a class action suit. Chippewa is right that so far the UN refuses to prosecute Canada in international court, but the UN is very much aware and involved as supervisor of the Commission. The Commissioner has reported publicly that there were many more deaths of children in the residential schools being reported by survivors than they expected, "thousands" . Hearings are still going on about the residential schools. Maybe the

North American genocide is more controversial because it's still less well known to the general public ... but I'm certainly not trying to start a debate - pissing contest - about that.

What do we do now that we are starting to know the truth? It's really something we have to answer to ourselves I guess. I will say one thing about what Chippewa asked: Why did us 32m immigrants come to Canada? Usually because the wealthy Lairds, land barons, corporations, occupiers, etc. Forced us off our lands in our homelands.