Why is John Baird going to Libya ?

[eyeball]

I pretty much just blame assholes like you guys.

It doesn't matter how far you go back, you've never been in short supply.

Edited June 22, 2011 by eyeball

[M.Dancer]

I pretty much just blame assholes like you guys.

It doesn't matter how far you go back, you've never been in short supply.

Happy to take the blame. Perhaps you can nominate me for an Order Of Canada?

[eyeball]

Happy to take the blame. Perhaps you can nominate me for an Order Of Canada?

It's just too bad this sort of pagan ethos is missing from the face of our foreign policy. Does the candy coated humanitarian shit our government usually peddle make you want to puke or does it just give you a chuckle too?

[g_bambino]

I pretty much just blame assholes like you guys.

It doesn't matter how far you go back, you've never been in short supply.

Well, that's surprising; I didn't expect that you'd extend the blame for current affairs in Libya to assholes back as far as time immemorial.

Of course, who is and who isn't an asshole is entirely subjective. Were the Brits, for instance, assholes for getting themselves involved in routing the asshole Nazis and Fascists out of North Africa? Or, were they just assholes for not dropping their weapons and walking away the second the last German and Italian was gone, leaving the Libyans without government or state infrastructure, to fill the vacuume of power by fighting it out amongst themselves? Or was it the Libyan leaders themselves who were the assholes for accepting their country's borders as was during independence negotiations with the UN between 1949 and 1951? You have to be more clear.

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Edited June 22, 2011 by g_bambino

[Oleg Bach]

The first stops for a new Canadian Foreign Minister should be, in this order....

Vancouver....Beijing... New Delhi.... Bruxelles....Washington... New York.

Why on earth is John Baird going to Libya?

Why does the Harper government continue to squander opportunities to be a world player?

DISAPPOINTED !

There is no reason to go to Libya. Who will he talk too? What will he see? No one knows who is who in Libya...so what is the point of going in blind? It reminds me of members of the Supreme Court who are more interested in being world players - and waste a lot of time checking out international law and neglecting domestic law - as if it is not good enough for them? People want to feel important - Maybe John Baird can go to Israel and stay there for a year and resolve the problems? BUT that might not be as exotic as traveling to many places....I guess it's about ego - heaven knows that deplomacy is a lost cause.

[M.Dancer]

It's just too bad this sort of pagan ethos is missing from the face of our foreign policy. Does the candy coated humanitarian shit our government usually peddle make you want to puke or does it just give you a chuckle too?

Which answer will get me the OC?

[eyeball]

Of course, who is and who isn't an asshole is entirely subjective.

Not really, I mean, what would Jesus have done for example? Anyone could have asked themselves that and come up with a fairly objective and even universal answer. C'mon you've probably known this drill since kindergarten yourself - you just need to jog your memory. Here's a clue, they'd have done unto others...

Who know's maybe Jesus would put it differently these days and simply ask; 'A sphincter says, what?'

[Oleg Bach]

Candy coated humanitarian garbage is hot stuff these days...It became real popular lately with the phrase "so a little girl can go to school" - That phrase duped the whole nation making them unknowing victims of their own emotionalism. The big dogs that have the most influence in this nation - don't give a damn if a girl goes to school or enters into prostition in Toronto let alone some back water in Afghanistan.

[g_bambino]

Who know's maybe Jesus would put it differently these days and simply ask; 'A sphincter says, what?'

Which would be about as much of a non-sequitur as your response to me. You've been cornered, it would seem.

[Oleg Bach]

Which would be about as much of a non-sequitur as your response to me. You've been cornered, it would seem.

Just like hunting ducks - you put out a decoy - make a few quacking sounds and in they come.

[g_bambino]

Just like hunting ducks - you put out a decoy - make a few quacking sounds and in they come.

Well, any instance of foreign involvement in any event, anywhere, and at any time, does seem to attract eyeball's ire, completely reardless of history, circumstance, or consequence. One wonders if he dares not ever step onto a friend's lawn for fear of having to consider himself an imperialist asshole.

[GostHacked]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110622/wl_africa_afp/libyaconflictnatoitalydiplomacy

ROME (AFP) – Italy called for a suspension of hostilities in Libya on Wednesday in the latest sign of dissent within NATO as the civilian death toll mounts and Moamer Kadhafi shows no signs of quitting power.

"We have seen the effects of the crisis and therefore also of NATO action not only in eastern and southwestern regions but also in Tripoli," Italian Foreign Minister Franco Frattini told a parliamentary committee meeting.

"I believe an immediate humanitarian suspension of hostilities is required in order to create effective humanitarian corridors," while negotiations should also continue on a more formal ceasefire and peace talks, he said.

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20110622/cangeneral-libya-110622/

OTTAWA — The Canadian general commanding the NATO bombardment of Libya has rejected a call for a ceasefire.

Gen. Charles Bouchard says he doesn't want to give forces loyal to Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi any chance to re-arm.

So is he rejecting Gadaffi's request for a ceasefire, or is he rejecting Italy's request for a ceasefire?

[eyeball]

Well, any instance of foreign involvement in any event, anywhere, and at any time, does seem to attract eyeball's ire, completely reardless of history, circumstance, or consequence. One wonders if he dares not ever step onto a friend's lawn for fear of having to consider himself an imperialist asshole.

Well, I certainly wouldn't have to step in shit over and over and over again to come to the realization that stirring it up like that only creates a bigger mess.

[g_bambino]

Well, I certainly wouldn't have to step in shit over and over and over again to come to the realization that stirring it up like that only creates a bigger mess.

You fail (deliberately, I imagine) to consider that there could possibly ever be times when not "stirring it up" (your dysphemism for "getting involved") will result in a bigger mess for you and perhaps others.

[bloodyminded]

What nonsense...we have been nurturing arab spring for decades...unfortunately, arab paternalism, arab fascism and arab hate kept them in winter.

There's not a chance in hell you believe this. It is flatly untrue.