MiddleClassCentrist Posted June 12, 2011 Report Posted June 12, 2011 http://i.imgur.com/HGW1P.gif I'll leave it for some one else start off. Quote Ideology does not make good policy. Good policy comes from an analysis of options, comparison of options and selection of one option that works best in the current situation. This option is often a compromise between ideologies.
Guest American Woman Posted June 12, 2011 Report Posted June 12, 2011 I have no idea what politics has to do with it, but I bet she had no idea she was being filmed. What a jerk! I hope the video goes viral. Quote
MiddleClassCentrist Posted June 12, 2011 Author Report Posted June 12, 2011 I have no idea what politics has to do with it, but I bet she had no idea she was being filmed. What a jerk! I hope the video goes viral. I'll rephrase it: Based on this action alone, what canadian political party do you think she votes for and why? Quote Ideology does not make good policy. Good policy comes from an analysis of options, comparison of options and selection of one option that works best in the current situation. This option is often a compromise between ideologies.
bloodyminded Posted June 12, 2011 Report Posted June 12, 2011 I'll rephrase it: Based on this action alone, what canadian political party do you think she votes for and why? I believe I see where you're going with this, but I honestly can't see voting preference as relevant. I'd be completely unsurprised--and would assume zero larger meaning--if she voted CPC, NDP, Liberal, Bloc, Natural Law, or Fascist. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
MiddleClassCentrist Posted June 12, 2011 Author Report Posted June 12, 2011 I believe I see where you're going with this, but I honestly can't see voting preference as relevant. I'd be completely unsurprised--and would assume zero larger meaning--if she voted CPC, NDP, Liberal, Bloc, Natural Law, or Fascist. You guys are no fun Quote Ideology does not make good policy. Good policy comes from an analysis of options, comparison of options and selection of one option that works best in the current situation. This option is often a compromise between ideologies.
Guest American Woman Posted June 12, 2011 Report Posted June 12, 2011 You guys are no fun But conservatives, liberals, and centrists could all apply reasons why she voted for the party they don't vote for; all it would be is an exercise in stereotyping. When it comes right down it it, what political "ideology" does grabbing something out of a child's hand represent? And then all her friends cheer and high five her, so do they all vote for the same party? - Is this representative of her/their "ideals?" Or did she/they just enjoy one beer too many and act in a way she wouldn't normally act? - ie: stupidly. Quote
bloodyminded Posted June 12, 2011 Report Posted June 12, 2011 You guys are no fun Someone's always gotta ruin the party, don't they? I blame the Conservatives. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
Guest American Woman Posted June 12, 2011 Report Posted June 12, 2011 Based on this action alone, what canadian political party do you think she votes for and why? Unfortunately, she's most likely American - so I blame Bush. Quote
MiddleClassCentrist Posted June 12, 2011 Author Report Posted June 12, 2011 I would say libertarian. There are no rules in this situation so it is fair game. Any additional societal regulation that would prevent the woman from using her strength would encourage weak behaviour. The child should learn from this in the future to become stronger. Quote Ideology does not make good policy. Good policy comes from an analysis of options, comparison of options and selection of one option that works best in the current situation. This option is often a compromise between ideologies.
Guest American Woman Posted June 12, 2011 Report Posted June 12, 2011 I would say libertarian. There are no rules in this situation so it is fair game. Any additional societal regulation that would prevent the woman from using her strength would encourage weak behaviour. The child should learn from this in the future to become stronger. Is it "fair game" to take something from someone else just because they are weaker and you want it? I don't see that as "strength" - more like bullying - and I don't think it's a lesson that kids should learn. I still blame Bush. Quote
Topaz Posted June 12, 2011 Report Posted June 12, 2011 In my view is would be ANY party with a majority because the majority has more power to take or give and this women was bigger than the child and took the power she had to take the ball away. I wonder if she thought of what she did after it came on You Tube? Quote
Oleg Bach Posted June 12, 2011 Report Posted June 12, 2011 Weasil? There are two types of people in the world - the blockers who steal the gifts of others and take credit - and the gifted who attempt to deliver their gift to the world to make it a better place. The woman in the video is a blocker - the kind of honey bee that stops other bees from creating honey. The little girl is a good and innocent person - the woman who snatched the ball is not a good person - but thinks she is - and her associates are ammoral ...this is almost normal these days. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted June 13, 2011 Report Posted June 13, 2011 http://i.imgur.com/HGW1P.gif I'll leave it for some one else start off. I would say liberal...those that say - we care about womans rights and we want to PROTECT and EDUCATE the children - mean while they just use them for personal gain. Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted June 13, 2011 Report Posted June 13, 2011 I'll rephrase it: Based on this action alone, what canadian political party do you think she votes for and why? irrelevant. Jerks and thieves are from all political stripes. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Moonlight Graham Posted June 13, 2011 Report Posted June 13, 2011 I would say libertarian. There are no rules in this situation so it is fair game. Any additional societal regulation that would prevent the woman from using her strength would encourage weak behaviour. The child should learn from this in the future to become stronger. Libertarians still believe in some rules. I'm sure most of them believe in theft as a law to be enforced by police. If we're going by your logic, she'd be an anarchist. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Oleg Bach Posted June 13, 2011 Report Posted June 13, 2011 Libertarians still believe in some rules. I'm sure most of them believe in theft as a law to be enforced by police. If we're going by your logic, she'd be an anarchist. The moment the ball was in the lawful possession of the child - the ball was the property of the child - just because the theft of the ball was done with lighting speed does not negate the fact that a theft occured. It seems that if evil is swift it will not be noticed. Quote
Pliny Posted June 13, 2011 Report Posted June 13, 2011 (edited) Libertarians still believe in some rules. I'm sure most of them believe in theft as a law to be enforced by police. If we're going by your logic, she'd be an anarchist. Some Libertarians are anarchists but that doesn't mean they believe in chaos and no rules. Obviously, in any social structure there has to be rules of some sort. Two rules of a Libertarian are not initiating force against another individual and the right to the sanctity of person and property. I believe some anarchists, of the socialist/communist variety, do not believe in the right to property. The determination of what constitutes "private property" is an interesting study. The "ball" in this video once going into the crowd could be considered public or unowned property and of course the first one that possesses the ball would be considered it's rightful owner. The first one that mixes his effort to possess it, barring the fact it is not already "owned", should be the rightful owner. The woman, apparently, wrested the ball from the hands of the child. In our western social democracy a child has no legal rights to property, their property must be held in trust by an adult. This woman obviously believes children cannot own property and it can be usurped out of the fact she is an adult or perhaps out of simply being bigger, might makes right - the view held by a government of majority rule that has a monopoly on deciding who shall keep what private property. I don't have a problem with majority rule only that the persons making the decisions do not respect the property of minorities, and the rich can most often be included as a "visible" minority. They are intentionally made visible by our system of taxation. Edited June 13, 2011 by Pliny Quote I want to be in the class that ensures the classless society remains classless.
Moonlight Graham Posted June 13, 2011 Report Posted June 13, 2011 The moment the ball was in the lawful possession of the child - the ball was the property of the child - just because the theft of the ball was done with lighting speed does not negate the fact that a theft occured. It seems that if evil is swift it will not be noticed. It also seems that if evil happens very slowly over a long period of time it will also not be noticed (and hence, it becomes "normal"). Maybe even more so, because all of us have noticed this woman as being an ass/thief. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
MiddleClassCentrist Posted June 14, 2011 Author Report Posted June 14, 2011 The moment the ball was in the lawful possession of the child - the ball was the property of the child - just because the theft of the ball was done with lighting speed does not negate the fact that a theft occured. It seems that if evil is swift it will not be noticed. Actually, that isn't how it works. In Canada you don't own anything you find. If the bank accidentally gives you $5000 and you spend it, you owe them. If you find a car that is left running and take it, that's theft. If you find $50 on the ground and take it, that's illegal. All found items should be attempted to be returned to the rightful owner. The girl is legally obligated to attempt to return the ball to the rightful owner, the league. Quote Ideology does not make good policy. Good policy comes from an analysis of options, comparison of options and selection of one option that works best in the current situation. This option is often a compromise between ideologies.
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