Have the Conservatives moved too far left?

[mikedavid00]

If you don't support the Conservatives, it would be nice if you could participate but try to answer how you would feel if you were a right wing person in general. Would you be happy with Harper?

I'm asking because this one person out west said on a podcast:

"I had a Reform card and I was happy. I got my Alliance card, and then my CPC card. With each new card, I noticed the plastic was flimsier and 'watered down'.. I suppose there was a hidden meaning in that?"

I have to say that overall I've been very disappointed with Harper. We still have the CBC. Still a HUGE civil service, still have a communist health-care system with no private health-care, and have a RECORD number of people entering my country, taking my jobs away from me while Harper encourages more of this and continues to let indolents and criminals flood into Toronto. He's claimed to take away the long gun registry. So what? Future govt's will just ban other firearms and he knows this. He refuses to give citizens the right to property and to protect it.

It just doesn't seem like he's going to bat for right wing Canadians as he SHOULD because he is SUPPOSED to be a right wing party. I have a hunch the CPC is in the first stage of 'imploding'. He'll basically buying votes from 'communities' to keep himself in power a la Liberal style. He doesn't care about his own base it seems. This will cause people like myself to start grass root movements and create a faction in the party or a new party all together, which creates vote splitting, and then surprise surprise, the NDP is in power.

These predictions will take years to happen, but when I hear a throne speech about single mothers, affordable housing, daycare, etc. These are SOCIALIST agenda's. This is not the same party I recognize or the party I supported.

Look at some of Harpers old quotes:

— “As a religion, bilingualism is the god that failed. It has led to no fairness, produces no unity and cost Canadian taxpayers untold millions.” Calgary Sun, May 2001.

— “You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society.” Report Newsmagazine, January 2001.

— “MPs are bit players in a top-down parliamentary system and role players on their own top-down partisan team.” The Bulldog, August, 1998.

- "Human rights commissions, as they are evolving, are an attack on our fundamental freedoms and the basic existence of a democratic society. It is in fact totalitarianism. I find this is very scary stuff." Interview with Terry O’Neill of BC Report newsmagazine, 1999

- "Your country [the USA], and particularly your conservative movement, is a light and an inspiration to people in this country and across the world." Speech to a Montreal meeting of the Council for National Policy, June 1997

- "Canada is a Northern European welfare state in the worst sense of the term, and very proud of it" Speech to a Montreal meeting of the Council for National Policy, June 1997

- "Canada appears content to become a second-tier socialistic country, boasting ever more loudly about its economy and social services to mask its second-rate status ..." Op-ed article in the National Post, December 12, 2000

So tell me what the heck happened to this great guy above?

Edited June 7, 2011 by mikedavid00

[Keepitsimple]

How about another option or re-phrasing one of the others:

"Do you agree with Harper moving the party closer to the Center?"

For the record, I agree.

[Evening Star]

Do you think Harper will start to buy votes Liberal style? (give money to people/regions to get more seats)

"start"

[fellowtraveller]

So tell me what the heck happened to this great guy above?

he recognized what he had to do to win power by observing the Liberals?

[MiddleClassCentrist]

They have 40% of Canadians on their side. I'm not saying that as a dig at their election win.

I'm saying it from a strategic point of view. They are the only party in their political territory.

They can move all the way to the centre and lose no votes. As long as they are more right wing than Liberals, they'll get the extreme right vote.

The votes to be won are at the centre and left. You don't get those votes by moving further right.

[Smallc]

They are the only party in their political territory.

That's completely ridiculous. All Canadian political parties overlap in terms of their views.

[Uncle 3 dogs]

If you don't support the Conservatives, it would be nice if you could participate but try to answer how you

— “You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society.” Report Newsmagazine, January 2001.—

This is certainly not true of Ralph Goodale in Regina

[MiddleClassCentrist]

That's completely ridiculous. All Canadian political parties overlap in terms of their views.

Duh?

They are the only party to the right, aside from fringe parties.

[Smallc]

They are the only party to the right, aside from fringe parties.

To the right of what, though? That's the point.

[Evening Star]

They are the only party to the right, aside from fringe parties.

That depends on how you define "the right". A number of major CPC policies are just an extension of things the Liberals did and were passed with Liberal support in the Commons.

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Edited June 7, 2011 by Evening Star

[Evening Star]

I personally tend to think of Chretien's Liberals as a right-wing party, at least on economics, fwiw.

[Oleg Bach]

Harper will continue to do the bidding of big buisness. Just be thankful that Canadian banks and buisness at large are well and ethically managed. Some assume that the far right means to be cruel as possible. Some assume that the far left is also to be as cruel as possible. Our job as citizens is to make sure our elected servants do not wander to far.

[guyser]

This is not the same party I recognize or the party I supported.

Supported? What did you do?

Clap when Harper came on your TV screen?

Smiled at his mug in the paper?

Drive by a rally and honk your horn?

Hell, we know you didnt vote so no support there. You didnt send any money so no support there.

[MiddleClassCentrist]

To the right of what, though? That's the point.

To the right of everyone else.

Did you ever take the vote compass that was on CBC.ca?

[Remiel]

If you want a party like the National Front, start one.

[Sandy MacNab]

I personally tend to think of Chretien's Liberals as a right-wing party, at least on economics, fwiw.

I think of Chretch's Liberals as Canada's version of a New Jersey crime family.

[Bryan]

To the right of what, though? That's the point.

It's all relative. "Extreme right" by Canadian standards is still left of the Democrats in the U.S.

[Shwa]

So tell me what the heck happened to this great guy above?

He realized who would never be Prime Minister by running his team down. So he got into the game, kept his stick on the ice and found his niche at centre. A bit of a power forward sometimes, and not afraid of the dirty stuff in front of the net. But he runs the powerplay now so whatever he did certainly has improved for him. Last time I looked the CPC were at the top of the standings and no more playoffs for 4 years or so.

[madmax]

Supported? What did you do?

Clap when Harper came on your TV screen?

Smiled at his mug in the paper?

Drive by a rally and honk your horn?

Hell, we know you didnt vote so no support there. You didnt send any money so no support there.

Every year its the same bellyaching.. LOL