Scaremongering and Protesters

[mentalfloss]

Ummmm.. 'Stop Harper' from what? What exactly is he doing? (beside letting in even more immigrants than any other PM and spending more money than any other PM).

What exactly is the uneducated, dimwit, fear mongering left in Canada trying to 'stop' Harper from doing?

It's the build up to a different government in 4 years.

But she makes some pretty compelling points. The conservatives were held in parliamentary contempt and they got off scott free while a small girl holds up a sign and is promptly escorted out of the building.

That kind of double-standard isn't something that Canadians will stand for and we'll continue to see this youth movement push parliament in a much different direction by the next election.

Edited June 6, 2011 by mentalfloss

[Remiel]

Ummmm.. 'Stop Harper' from what? What exactly is he doing? (beside letting in even more immigrants than any other PM and spending more money than any other PM).

What exactly is the uneducated, dimwit, fear mongering left in Canada trying to 'stop' Harper from doing?

I have no idea what the uneducated, dimwit, fear mongering left in Canada is trying to 'stop' Harper from doing.

But the educated, intelligent, vigilant left in Canada is trying to keep him from implementing policies that are disastrous for this country.

Everyone has heard of the speech about known knowns, known unknown, and unknown unknowns. Well, I have a known known for you: the kind of tough of criminals legislation that Harper is trying to shove through parliament (in a ridulously bloated omnibus bill, no less) do not work. It may be tough of criminals, but it is not tough on crime. Apparently the Republicans in the US who pioneered those failed policies are figuring that out already, but like a fool Harper is bent on implementing them anyway.

[Shwa]

Ummmm.. 'Stop Harper' from what? What exactly is he doing?

Stop Harper...from the sweater vests and hairstyle. There is a report out of some other newspaper that you don't read that clarifies her protest perfectly. Apparently, the sweater vest thing is a blatant attempt at co-opting the reputation of U of T intelligentsia as payback for flunking him out in '79 and cutting him from the Varsity Blues hockey team.

Apparently the little senate page chickie is a radical fasionista and has staged numerous protests against the Sears Menswear department.

[bjre]

Stop Harper...from the sweater vests and hairstyle. There is a report out of some other newspaper that you don't read that clarifies her protest perfectly. Apparently, the sweater vest thing is a blatant attempt at co-opting the reputation of U of T intelligentsia as payback for flunking him out in '79 and cutting him from the Varsity Blues hockey team.

Apparently the little senate page chickie is a radical fasionista and has staged numerous protests against the Sears Menswear department.

She did not say hairstyle, she said:

"Harper's agenda is disastrous for this country and for my generation," DePape said in the release. "We have to stop him from wasting billions on fighter jets, military bases, and corporate tax cuts while cutting social programs and destroying the climate. Most people in this country know what we need are green jobs, better medicare, and a healthy environment for future generations."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2011/06/03/pol-senate-page.html

[bush_cheney2004]

...But the educated, intelligent, vigilant left in Canada is trying to keep him from implementing policies that are disastrous for this country.

Then why didn't more like minded folk vote that way?

...Apparently the Republicans in the US who pioneered those failed policies are figuring that out already, but like a fool Harper is bent on implementing them anyway.

No...the Americans are doing what they always do without copying Canada...it takes a lot more than a page with a cardboard stop sign to change that!

[Battletoads]

Then why didn't more like minded folk vote that way?

A clear majority did not vote for harper...

[bush_cheney2004]

A clear majority did not vote for harper...

PM Harper's riding = Calgary, not all of Canada.

[mikedavid00]

But the educated, intelligent, vigilant left in Canada is trying to keep him from implementing policies that are disastrous for this country.

Like what? Is it the 6% yearly healthcare spending increases? Letting in even more immigrants to vote Liberal and NDP (it was proven in the last election that most immigrants voted for Liberal and NDP with NDP leading the immigrant vote)?

So what is it that's so horrible and baby killing?

Also someone mentioned contempt. There was no real contempt or 'crimes' committed. The public knew it was just political games and the party responsible for bringing this 'parliamentary contempt' suffered the consequences. Our system was 'used' for partisan purposes and was stretched into abuse with this 'contempt of parliament' nonsense. If there was 'real' contempt as it was intended for, this would have reflected in the poles.

I consider Harper to be a LEFT wing, socialist politician. I find his party to be a left wing political party. I speak for a lot of conservatives and Libertarians. I want private health-care, a complete halt to immigration, and MASSIVE cuts to the civil service including pensions and benefits. Also completely eliminating most of our departments (like dept of fisheries, agriculture, etc).

[Shwa]

She did not say hairstyle, she said:

"Harper's agenda is disastrous for this country and for my generation," DePape said in the release. "We have to stop him from wasting billions on fighter jets, military bases, and corporate tax cuts while cutting social programs and destroying the climate. Most people in this country know what we need are green jobs, better medicare, and a healthy environment for future generations."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2011/06/03/pol-senate-page.html

You fool! You have been duped by the right-wing media bias at 'Corporate Broadcasting Corporation' aka the CBC. What they reported was some lies designed by former CAS workers to fool the laws of Canada and thwart the importation of helpful herbal remedies from China and Burma. All they want is for you to obey our laws and pay more taxes to hire police state gestapo to crush your freedoms and make you into sweater wearing, over-coiffed slaves. Kind of like a cultural revolution of sorts, but with sweater vests instead of Mao suits.

What you haven't read is the REAL reason she is protesting. It was in an interview in that other newspaper/radio program/TV news that you didn't read.

[Remiel]

I consider Harper to be a LEFT wing, socialist politician. I find his party to be a left wing political party. I speak for a lot of conservatives and Libertarians. I want private health-care, a complete halt to immigration, and MASSIVE cuts to the civil service including pensions and benefits. Also completely eliminating most of our departments (like dept of fisheries, agriculture, etc).

Well, it is technially against forum rules for me to say what I consider you to be.

[scribblet]

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Also someone mentioned contempt. There was no real contempt or 'crimes' committed. The public knew it was just political games and the party responsible for bringing this 'parliamentary contempt' suffered the consequences. Our system was 'used' for partisan purposes and was stretched into abuse with this 'contempt of parliament' nonsense. If there was 'real' contempt as it was intended for, this would have reflected in the poles.

I consider Harper to be a LEFT wing, socialist politician. I find his party to be a left wing political party. I speak for a lot of conservatives and Libertarians. I want private health-care, a complete halt to immigration, and MASSIVE cuts to the civil service including pensions and benefits. Also completely eliminating most of our departments (like dept of fisheries, agriculture, etc).

Of course there was no real contempt, the vote repudiated that one, it was simply an opposition attempt to grab power and look where it got them.

I don't consider Harper to be left wing, he has been governing more from the centre than anything, sometimes I wish he were a bit more conservative in his approach.

Her little protest was just part of an orchestrated attempt by the radical left to usurp a democratically elected government or as one blogger put it, Pathological Narcissism. -

[GostHacked]

Settle down, folks. The woman held up a sign in the Senate and you're all acting as though she would have flown planes into the World Trade Center buildings.

I can never for the life of me understand why people lose their minds over peaceful protests.

Many here support cops busting people up in the streets violating people's rights and illegal detainment, but have a problem with this Page who held up a sign?? Yeesh.

[Remiel]

Of course there was no real contempt, the vote repudiated that one, it was simply an opposition attempt to grab power and look where it got them.

Is this not more or less the same argument as, " It is okay because everyone else is doing it, " ? I mean, if that is the logic that Conservatives live by, what the Hell are they doing trying to toughen the marijuana laws?

[Saipan]

Many here support cops busting people up in the streets violating people's rights and illegal detainment

If it's illegal, sue.

People are more concerned with mass vandalism.

[cybercoma]

Of course; because just like America, the Canadian Right represents the minority who control the Nation's wealth. After months of seeing rightwing attack ads constantly on TV, only 60% of eligible voters bothered turning up for the federal election; and of those, less than 40% were needed to guarantee a majority government.

So, a Party supported by one quarter of Canadians is claiming that they represent the majority! After they cancel the 27 million dollar campaign financing, we can expect the Money Party to have total power....now do you understand protest, civil disobedience, and possibly revolution if things really turn to shit in the near future?

Of course not. Queue up the response that the Liberals are the "money" party, completely ignoring the fact that Conservative supporters give money to their party like the brainwashed masses that give money to televangelists. If you listen to TimG, he'll argue that it wasn't really 25% of voters that voted for the Conservatives, but really something in the neighbourhood of 80% of voters actually support the Conservatives, regardless of how they vote. What a joke.

Edited June 6, 2011 by cybercoma

[cybercoma]

It seems to be a growing trend in society that people become fearful, even paranoid, whenever something out of the ordinary happens. No matter how remote or ridiculous the perceived threat, the "what if" gears start grinding in heads.

I haven't seen so many terrified, leaking bladders since kindergarten.

Truly. People have lost all perspective. A 21-year-old intern holds up a sign while a speech is being broadcast. Big deal. It was a brilliant peaceful protest, standing up for what she believes in. Nothing more or less.

[cybercoma]

she appears to be advocating violence.

Only to those that think violence is the only means to get your point across. Those are the same people that want to expand the military and steal billions of dollars meant to help Canadians to fund war machines. That just so happens to be the very thing she's against. So to say she's promoting violence doesn't really make a whole hell of a lot of sense.

[scribblet]

Anyone advocating an 'Arab/Canadian spring' appears to be advocating unrest and violent uprising in Canada, but against what, a democratically elected government? She seems to be completely lacking in her understanding of what the uprisings are about in the M.E. and has complete disrespect for democracy, Parliament and her peers. She should have to pay back whatever it cost for the program she was enrolled in.

She should have a chat with that ABC corresponden who was viciously assaulted

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/04/28/60minutes/main20058368.shtml?tag=cbsContent;cbsCarousel

Edited June 6, 2011 by scribblet

[cybercoma]

The protests in the ME were not violent until the politicians began attacking protestors.

[Saipan]

A clear majority did not vote for harper...

Neither did they vote for Chretien. What now?

[cybercoma]

To be honest, I think Libya was the only country that broke out into a civil war.

[scribblet]

To be honest, I think Libya was the only country that broke out into a civil war.

Are you not honest all the time

[Saipan]

To be honest, I think Libya was the only country that broke out into a civil war.

The others are uncivil.

[bloodyminded]

I like the far left..

They like you better than you like them. Just sayin.'

they need a movie or cartoon to understand logic. They only understand comic images and emotional fear mongering.

Here's two brand spankin' new right-wing movies for your delectation. Both of them almost universally panned by everyone who saw them, both of them profoundly cartoon-y, and both of them financial failures.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/atlas_shrugged_part_i/

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/i_want_your_money/

The free market has spoken.

Edited June 9, 2011 by bloodyminded

[bloodyminded]

Her little protest was just part of an orchestrated attempt by the radical left to usurp a democratically elected government or as one blogger put it, Pathological Narcissism. -

You think she was trying to "usurp" the government with that little protest?

Ok then.....