Another NDP MP padding resume.

[PIK]

http://www.ottawasun.com/2011/05/20/another-ndp-mps-resume-padded

So what should be done, nothing or bye elections.

[cybercoma]

At least this member won an election and didn't need to be appointed.

[cybercoma]

I just read the article and it's shoddy reporting at best. His biography said he has three certificates, but the Sun looked into whether or not he received a degree. Perhaps the uneducated morons over at Sun News don't know the difference, but looking for a degree from someone that took a certificate program is pretty stupid.

[Shwa]

I just read the article and it's shoddy reporting at best. His biography said he has three certificates, but the Sun looked into whether or not he received a degree. Perhaps the uneducated morons over at Sun News don't know the difference, but looking for a degree from someone that took a certificate program is pretty stupid.

I was noticing the same thing.

http://www.umontreal.ca/english/pro_stu_und/definitions.html

A certificate appears to be distinct from a degree.

He wasn't claiming to have a degree.

[Moonbox]

I'd sure like to know what a 'certificate' means. It's clearly not a degree, nor is it a diploma, so what the heck good is it? What sort of 'certificate' do you get from a university that was worth putting on a resume?

Fact is that most of the NDP candidates are nobodies with no qualifications.

[guyser]

I'd sure like to know what a 'certificate' means. It's clearly not a degree, nor is it a diploma, so what the heck good is it? What sort of 'certificate' do you get from a university that was worth putting on a resume?

All sorts of good things and of course one would put it on their resume.

ie..Nurses can get them for specialized IV

Accounting dept empoloyee could get a Cert for certain things (short of a CA or CPA)

Lots and lots.

[RNG]

All sorts of good things and of course one would put it on their resume.

ie..Nurses can get them for specialized IV

Accounting dept empoloyee could get a Cert for certain things (short of a CA or CPA)

Lots and lots.

I went to a half-day safety course that was held at the U of C, just because the outfit running it could rent the size of classroom they wanted there, and got a certificate. So I could honestly say I got a certificate at the U of C. Saying I got one from the U of C is another story.

[Moonbox]

All sorts of good things and of course one would put it on their resume.

ie..Nurses can get them for specialized IV

Accounting dept empoloyee could get a Cert for certain things (short of a CA or CPA)

Lots and lots.

Nurses already have specialized education to put on their resumes and the certificate for IV in this case would just qualify her for extra work. In that case, it's actually worth something.

I'd love to know what 'certificates' this clown has. Most of the other party MP's have these things called 'degrees' and 'credentials' that most NDP MP's seem to lack.

[cybercoma]

Fact is that most of the NDP candidates are nobodies with no qualifications.

Just in case you were wondering what the qualifications are to be an MP:

"Any Canadian citizen at least 18 years of age on polling day, who is qualified as an elector, is eligible to be a candidate in an election."

source: http://www.parl.gc.ca/marleaumontpetit/DocumentViewer.aspx?Lang=E&Sec=Ch04&Seq=3

"Unless specifically declared to be ineligible under section 65 of the Canada Elections Act, any person qualified as an elector may run for election. A prospective candidate must be a Canadian citizen who is at least 18 years of age on election day. A candidate may seek election in only one riding at a time; however, the candidate need not be a registered elector or even reside in that riding."

source: http://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=pol&dir=can/bck&document=index〈=e

Who's ineligible?

"65. The following persons are not eligible to be a candidate:

(a) a person who is not qualified as an elector on the date on which his or her nomination paper is filed;

( a person who is disentitled under paragraph 502(3)(a) while they are so disentitled;

© a member of the legislature of a province, the Council of the Northwest Territories or the Legislative Assembly of Yukon or Nunavut;

(d) a sheriff, clerk of the peace or county Crown Attorney in any of the provinces;

(e) a person who is not entitled under section 4 to vote;

(f) a judge appointed by the Governor in Council, other than a citizenship judge appointed under the Citizenship Act;

(g) a person who is imprisoned in a correctional institution;

(h) an election officer; and

(i) a person who was a candidate in a previous election and for whom a return, report, document or declaration has not been provided under subsection 451(1), if the time and any extension for providing it have expired.

S.C. 2002, c. 7, s. 92."

source: http://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=res&dir=loi/fel/cea&document=part06〈=e#sec65

So until you find one of those diqualifications amongst the newly elected MPs, you can stop saying they have no qualifications. Every elected MP, to my knowledge so far, has all the required qualifications.

[cybercoma]

I went to a half-day safety course that was held at the U of C, just because the outfit running it could rent the size of classroom they wanted there, and got a certificate. So I could honestly say I got a certificate at the U of C. Saying I got one from the U of C is another story.

Except in this candidate's case the school is the "outfit running it", whereas in your case it's not.

[Tilter]

All sorts of good things and of course one would put it on their resume.

ie..Nurses can get them for specialized IV

Accounting dept empoloyee could get a Cert for certain things (short of a CA or CPA)

Lots and lots.

guyser I hereby award you a certificate as poster .

[Guest Derek L]

I'd sure like to know what a 'certificate' means. It's clearly not a degree, nor is it a diploma, so what the heck good is it? What sort of 'certificate' do you get from a university that was worth putting on a resume?

Fact is that most of the NDP candidates are nobodies with no qualifications.

Food Safe? First Aid? That babysitting course

[Moonbox]

So until you find one of those diqualifications amongst the newly elected MPs, you can stop saying they have no qualifications. Every elected MP, to my knowledge so far, has all the required qualifications.

Hey you can brainlessly vote to elect a bunch of non-achievers with no understanding of finance/economics, little education and zero experience if you want. That's completely your perogative. Whether or not that's a smart thing to do on the other hand, is an entirely different matter.

[Evening Star]

I'd love to know what 'certificates' this clown has. Most of the other party MP's have these things called 'degrees' and 'credentials' that most NDP MP's seem to lack.

Citation for "most NDP MPs"?

And, yeah, until it's shown that Larose failed to get the certificates that were listed (as opposed to a degree), I have to assume that the Sun is fudging things.

Edited May 20, 2011 by Evening Star

[madmax]

http://www.ottawasun.com/2011/05/20/another-ndp-mps-resume-padded

So what should be done, nothing or bye elections.

R u going to have a By Election in Ottawa Orleans where the Conservative Candidate, a multi time MP had that he held a Degree and he didn't graduate his University?

Oh yeah, there is no noise about that... and he had already been elected so its ok that his was an outright ...

Edited May 20, 2011 by madmax

[guyser]

guyser I hereby award you a certificate as poster .

Not as easy as that , some of the Certs can be valuable to an employee and prospects for work.

[Evening Star]

Yeah, the University Teaching Certificate here at U of Windsor does actually show that a faculty member has put quite a bit of effort into bettering his or her pedagogy even though it's not on par with a degree. It's certainly something that one could list on a CV.

Edited May 20, 2011 by Evening Star

[Moonbox]

Citation for "most NDP MPs"?

And, yeah, until it's shown that Larose failed to get the certificates that were listed (as opposed to a degree), I have to assume that the Sun is fudging things.

You know what? I'm really not going to spend hours looking up every MP's resume. Instead I'll invite you to peruse their credentials, particularly Peter Julian's, and ask what qualifies him as (from his own website) as Critic on International Trade, Gateways and the Vancouver 2010 Olympics in 39th Parliament; Critic on Globalization, the Treasury Board, Natural Resources, Transportation

You would THINK that anyone serving as Critic for such areas, PARTICULARLY the Treasury Board, would have some sort of educational background to support it. When you're in the NDP, however, that's not the case. His credentials are that he was previously a financial administrator, community activist and manual labourer.

I think it's safe to say manual labour doesn't really provide any background knowledge for the Treasury Board, nor does being a community activist (that's just a pre-req for being in the NDP). Interestingly, one of his qualifications is he was a former financial administrator, which means sweet 'f' all unless given context. Financial administrator of WHAT??? His own household likely, but I'd truly hope to be proven otherwise. That's the sort of thing the NDP does to pad the resume, however, to make it look like their candidates actually know anything about the world and how it works.

[Jack Weber]

I'd sure like to know what a 'certificate' means. It's clearly not a degree, nor is it a diploma, so what the heck good is it? What sort of 'certificate' do you get from a university that was worth putting on a resume?

I have a certificate as a Welding-Fitter from George Brown College in Toronto...

I am a CERTIFIED 6g Pipe Welder...

I have my Interprovincial Certificate of Qualification (Red Seal) as a welder..

Tradespeople,if they are worth their salt,are all certified in their trade...

Edited May 20, 2011 by Jack Weber

[cybercoma]

You'll have to forgive Moonbox. He just wants to run his mouth about the entire NDP without actually having any knowledge whatsoever about what these people do or who they are.

[Guest Derek L]

You know what? I'm really not going to spend hours looking up every MP's resume. Instead I'll invite you to peruse their credentials, particularly Peter Julian's, and ask what qualifies him as (from his own website) as Critic on International Trade, Gateways and the Vancouver 2010 Olympics in 39th Parliament; Critic on Globalization, the Treasury Board, Natural Resources, Transportation

You would THINK that anyone serving as Critic for such areas, PARTICULARLY the Treasury Board, would have some sort of educational background to support it. When you're in the NDP, however, that's not the case. His credentials are that he was previously a financial administrator, community activist and manual labourer.

I think it's safe to say manual labour doesn't really provide any background knowledge for the Treasury Board, nor does being a community activist (that's just a pre-req for being in the NDP). Interestingly, one of his qualifications is he was a former financial administrator, which means sweet 'f' all unless given context. Financial administrator of WHAT??? His own household likely, but I'd truly hope to be proven otherwise. That's the sort of thing the NDP does to pad the resume, however, to make it look like their candidates actually know anything about the world and how it works.

Or the NDP's Foreign Affairs Critic, Paul Dewar......former Elementary school teacher…..not knocking school teachers (My sister is one), but not sure if this really qualifies someone to represent Canadians abroad……

[cybercoma]

You guys must be really confused about democracy and a representative parliament.

[RNG]

I have often wondered how powerful are some cabinet ministers anyway. Don't the deputy ministers usually actually run the departments?

[Evening Star]

Or the NDP's Foreign Affairs Critic, Paul Dewar......former Elementary school teacher…..not knocking school teachers (My sister is one), but not sure if this really qualifies someone to represent Canadians abroad……

Want to tell me what John Baird's credentials/qualifications are to be our new Foreign Affairs minister? He was my MPP when he was in his mid-20s so he must done a whole lot before that, right? And how have these credentials qualified him equally well to be Minister of the Environment; Minister of Transport, Infrastructure and Communities; and provincial Minister of Community and Social Services, Minister Responsible for Children, and Minister of Energy? All of these are positions he has held.

Edited May 20, 2011 by Evening Star

[Guest Derek L]

Want to tell me what John Baird's credentials/qualifications are to be our new Foreign Affairs minister? He was my MPP when he was in his mid-20s so he must done a whole lot before that, right? And how have these credentials qualified him equally well to be Minister of the Environment; Minister of Transport, Infrastructure and Communities; and provincial Minister of Community and Social Services, Minister Responsible for Children, and Minister of Energy. All of these are positions he has held.

In the "cabinet making" thread, I voiced (abet limited) shock over this.....no argument here, I’m a Chris Alexander cheerleader.