Topaz Posted May 19, 2011 Report Posted May 19, 2011 The Tories are going to reveal today, how they will reduce Ontarians hydro bills, if elected. Can we trust him? Looking back on my hydro, last months, my HST was 2.00 higher than the 10% discount and the delivery charge was higher than the actual use of hydro. My provider is Hydro One. For me, reduce the delivery charges. Quote
Jack Weber Posted May 19, 2011 Report Posted May 19, 2011 I'll bet Hudak will say.... "Private Sector Competition will bring down prices!!!!" Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
bloodyminded Posted May 19, 2011 Report Posted May 19, 2011 I'll bet Hudak will say.... "Private Sector Competition will bring down prices!!!!" And if it doesn't work...well, it's the Liberals' legacy that screwed it up, somehow. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
Jack Weber Posted May 19, 2011 Report Posted May 19, 2011 And if it doesn't work...well, it's the Liberals' legacy that screwed it up, somehow. Well I'm waiting for that one... "The books are worse than we thought,folks... Sell everything off to the private sector and...By the way...We're going to take away the bargaining rights of unionized employees while were at it...People need the personal freedom to work with out money being extorted from them by union (insert perjorative term here ie thugs,bosses)"... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
bloodyminded Posted May 19, 2011 Report Posted May 19, 2011 Well I'm waiting for that one... "The books are worse than we thought,folks... Sell everything off to the private sector and...By the way...We're going to take away the bargaining rights of unionized employees while were at it...People need the personal freedom to work with out money being extorted from them by union (insert perjorative term here ie thugs,bosses)"... You are dead on. Wait and see. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
Topaz Posted May 19, 2011 Author Report Posted May 19, 2011 Well I'm waiting for that one... "The books are worse than we thought,folks... Sell everything off to the private sector and...By the way...We're going to take away the bargaining rights of unionized employees while were at it...People need the personal freedom to work with out money being extorted from them by union (insert perjorative term here ie thugs,bosses)"... Well if you are going to attacks the unions again then attack the CEO's more. They get enough in bomuses, to pay off the hydro debt! Quote
Shwa Posted May 20, 2011 Report Posted May 20, 2011 And if it doesn't work...well, it's the Liberals' legacy that screwed it up, somehow. No, it goes further than mere Liberals in Ontario. It won't be long before they are blaming the lack of private property rights and the limits in hunting and fishing. Quote
Topaz Posted May 20, 2011 Author Report Posted May 20, 2011 So what Hudak is saying that he is keeping the hST but will take off the heating bills which would be 8%. He said he will give back 275.00 yearly which is 22-24.00 monthly. The Tories were the ones to bring in the debt on the hydro bills and he said he will take it away but the liberals say the debt isn't paid as yet until 2015. I think he taking away the 10 % discount for the 275.00. Therefore, we are going to get back 12-15 dollars or paying less on our bills. It will cost 1.2 Bil to give these give backs and he said he get it from waste but if he can't find enough waste, the taxpayers will have to pay so what's the differences where you pay, hydro bills or taxes?? Very Confusing. Quote
Jack Weber Posted May 20, 2011 Report Posted May 20, 2011 No, it goes further than mere Liberals in Ontario. It won't be long before they are blaming the lack of private property rights and the limits in hunting and fishing. Ah yes.... As if it were'nt kooky enough with "Wine Tasting" Tim Hudak,we are now faced with the Randy Hillierization of the Ontario PC party... Cuckoo for Cocao Puffs,I tells ya"! Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Machjo Posted May 21, 2011 Report Posted May 21, 2011 (edited) Supply and demand. If there is not enough power to meet the demand, prices will increase. I just want a candidate who'll be honest about that and acknowledge that if we want electricity prices to drop, it will mean producing more electricity. I could see three broad solutions here: 1. The 'capitalist' approach: let the market handle it. 2. The corporatist approach: regulate the market (e.g. require all new buildings to be more energy-efficient (require solar panels on new roofs, etc.)). 3. The socialist approach: increase taxes to build more power plants. Personally, I'd lean more in favour of some form of corporatist corporatist approach myself. None of these solutions will be quick fixes, but at least they'd reveal a realistic plan without pie in the sky promises. As for the cost of electricity, I'd say let's not subsidize it. Charge regular market rate, since that's the best we can do right now. Edited May 21, 2011 by Machjo Quote With friends like Zionists, what Jew needs enemies? With friends like Islamists, what Muslim needs enemies?
MiddleClassCentrist Posted May 22, 2011 Report Posted May 22, 2011 (edited) I'm a fan of using more green energy, even if my bills cost a bit more. Tim Hudak's quest to destroy our green energy plan does not appeal to me. I want Ontario to become an innovator and leader in future technologies that are sustainable. Bring those jobs here. I don't want more privatization. For those who claim that privatization is efficient. Consider that profit is highest when there is a shortage of electricity and brownouts (high cost to consumer, and no incremental cost to power company) and building another plant actually reduces profits. Edited May 22, 2011 by MiddleClassCentrist Quote Ideology does not make good policy. Good policy comes from an analysis of options, comparison of options and selection of one option that works best in the current situation. This option is often a compromise between ideologies.
capricorn Posted May 22, 2011 Report Posted May 22, 2011 I'm a fan of using more green energy, even if my bills cost a bit more. Tim Hudak's quest to destroy our green energy plan does not appeal to me. I too am a fan of green energy mainly because it makes me feel like a good citizen. If the planet is to be saved I want to be part of it. I don't fully understand what's behind the push to go green but one thing I'm sure it's the in thing. The problem is that most people are stretched to the limit with no relief in sight. When they read about bonuses for e-health big wigs and similar extravagances they zero in on issues like their hydro bill, something they readily comprehend because it stares at them in black and white, and in dollars and cents every one or two months. Hudak is striking the right chord. He speaks to the common folks who are saying enough is enough. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
WIP Posted May 22, 2011 Report Posted May 22, 2011 The problem is that most people are stretched to the limit with no relief in sight. When they read about bonuses for e-health big wigs and similar extravagances they zero in on issues like their hydro bill, something they readily comprehend because it stares at them in black and white, and in dollars and cents every one or two months. Hudak is striking the right chord. He speaks to the common folks who are saying enough is enough. First, Hudak needs to tell us what he would propose instead of a green energy strategy. His brand of conservatism doesn't seem likely to push any incentives for conservation...are they expecting to build new nuclear or coal-fired plants? And, he needs to explain what went wrong the last time the Tories were in power. One of Mike Harris's flops...aside from Amalgamation, was the privatization of Ontario Hydro. It was supposed to bring down electricity prices and motivate private investors to build new power stations. The simple truth is that the private sector will agree to build a power plant under the same terms that they agree to build a highway (like the 407): loan them the money interest-free, and then give them a 35 year lease where they can raise prices for the user whenever the hell they feel like it...and then you'll "unleash the private sector!" Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
charter.rights Posted May 22, 2011 Report Posted May 22, 2011 While we're on the topic of generation, Ontario Power Generation had their environmental report rejected by the the Ministry of the Environment last week because they couldn't prove the expansion of Darlington Generating Station would not be producing power for export.....(of course they are...). MoE claimed that the expansion of a nuclear facility under the Green Energy Act could only be considered, if alternate green sources for generation had been considered first and if it was fro domestic use only. OP's problem is that they export about 65% of Ontario Power capacity to the US and the US won't buy $0.60 per KW green energy. The $0.04 per KW is a much better return on investment....(of course it is....) especially when they charge us double and the US about 150%. Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
Tilter Posted May 25, 2011 Report Posted May 25, 2011 The Tories are going to reveal today, how they will reduce Ontarians hydro bills, if elected. Can we trust him? Looking back on my hydro, last months, my HST was 2.00 higher than the 10% discount and the delivery charge was higher than the actual use of hydro. My provider is Hydro One. For me, reduce the delivery charges. OK, trust the one who wrote your Hydro bill, the same guy who promised to "no new taxes, Lower hydro cost" & all that malarkey. Ask North-eastern home & business owners who formally asked the Ontario Legislature to let the area secede from Ontario and join Manitoba so the industries there could remain in business & be competitive by using Manitoba Hydro at 1/2 the price of Ont hydro. If Ontarians had swallowed the minimal cost of partly funding private schools at the last election we wouldn't still be saddled with McPrermier and a lot of changes for the better could have taken place. Quote
MiddleClassCentrist Posted May 31, 2011 Report Posted May 31, 2011 (edited) OK, trust the one who wrote your Hydro bill, the same guy who promised to "no new taxes, Lower hydro cost" & all that malarkey. Ask North-eastern home & business owners who formally asked the Ontario Legislature to let the area secede from Ontario and join Manitoba so the industries there could remain in business & be competitive by using Manitoba Hydro at 1/2 the price of Ont hydro. If Ontarians had swallowed the minimal cost of partly funding private schools at the last election we wouldn't still be saddled with McPrermier and a lot of changes for the better could have taken place. I don't trust any politician. That being said. You can't blame a McGuinty for all of those broken promises, especially the ones from his first majority government. You have to remember that the PC's blatantly fudged numbers so when McGuinty made campaign promises in the first election, they were based on the government having a 'surplus' as promoted by the PC's. Not a multi billion dollar deficit, as is the reality of their fudged numbers. You can only really take the second campaign for when he was re-elected. Now those promises, you can tag onto him as lies if broken. Edited May 31, 2011 by MiddleClassCentrist Quote Ideology does not make good policy. Good policy comes from an analysis of options, comparison of options and selection of one option that works best in the current situation. This option is often a compromise between ideologies.
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