Dave_ON Posted May 16, 2011 Report Posted May 16, 2011 Talk about a narrow victory, 9 votes! http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2011/05/14/cv-election-recount-ndp-quebec-seat.html That changes the seat count to CPC 166 and NDP 102 Quote Follow the man who seeks the truth; run from the man who has found it. -Vaclav Haval-
Moonlight Graham Posted May 16, 2011 Report Posted May 16, 2011 NDP Leader Jack Layton's parliamentary contingent is now tied for the largest ever Official Opposition to a majority government in Canadian history. Wow that's incredible. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Evening Star Posted May 16, 2011 Report Posted May 16, 2011 Talk about a narrow victory, 9 votes! http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2011/05/14/cv-election-recount-ndp-quebec-seat.html That changes the seat count to CPC 166 and NDP 102 (103, actually.) How effective were Clark's PCs from 1980-1984? Quote
fellowtraveller Posted May 16, 2011 Report Posted May 16, 2011 That just increases the pressure on Jacques Layton to deliver the bacon to Quebec in the next four years. He has a clear and overwhelming mandate to represent the province in Ottawa. I wonder how he plans to champion their interests to their satisfaction? Quote The government should do something.
Dave_ON Posted May 16, 2011 Author Report Posted May 16, 2011 (103, actually.) How effective were Clark's PCs from 1980-1984? Oh I agree with you. Then again, how effective were the Turner Liberals after the final Trudeau Majority? I just think it's interesting that the CPC lost a seat by 9 votes in a recount. It just brings to mind again is this the start of a new Era for the NDP or a blip on the political radar never to be repeated? Guess we'll have to wait 4 whole years to find out. Quote Follow the man who seeks the truth; run from the man who has found it. -Vaclav Haval-
Tilter Posted May 16, 2011 Report Posted May 16, 2011 Oh I agree with you. Then again, how effective were the Turner Liberals after the final Trudeau Majority? I just think it's interesting that the CPC lost a seat by 9 votes in a recount. It just brings to mind again is this the start of a new Era for the NDP or a blip on the political radar never to be repeated? Guess we'll have to wait 4 whole years to find out. In the next national (provincial) election the Que-ers should vote the NDQ party into power. Then they would find out what kind of a nest of snakes the NDP really are. Quote
RNG Posted May 16, 2011 Report Posted May 16, 2011 That just increases the pressure on Jacques Layton to deliver the bacon to Quebec in the next four years. He has a clear and overwhelming mandate to represent the province in Ottawa. I wonder how he plans to champion their interests to their satisfaction? And the real challenge is how can he deliver for Quebec without alienating the ROC? Quote The government can't give anything to anyone without having first taken it from someone else.
MiddleClassCentrist Posted May 16, 2011 Report Posted May 16, 2011 (edited) Official opposition is pretty much meaningless for 3 years. Although I don't support Harper. I don't mind most of the conservative policies. Jack Layton isn't going to do much. He can get some media time for criticizing the CPC but, the NDP effectively has no teeth in this majority situation. Edited May 16, 2011 by MiddleClassCentrist Quote Ideology does not make good policy. Good policy comes from an analysis of options, comparison of options and selection of one option that works best in the current situation. This option is often a compromise between ideologies.
WWWTT Posted May 17, 2011 Report Posted May 17, 2011 Official opposition is pretty much meaningless for 3 years. Although I don't support Harper. I don't mind most of the conservative policies. Jack Layton isn't going to do much. He can get some media time for criticizing the CPC but, the NDP effectively has no teeth in this majority situation. I hope all conservatives feel the same way as you do. This is the same train of thought the liberals had(NDP have no teeth) Do not mistaken no teeth for no support. They have a tremendous amount of support and its growing,but please go back to sleep,we`ll wake you up when the conservative death march starts playing! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
fellowtraveller Posted May 17, 2011 Report Posted May 17, 2011 And the real challenge is how can he deliver for Quebec without alienating the ROC? Well that is actually two big and diametrically opposed challenges for Jacques. First, get everything for Quebec that he has promised and they are going to expect. Next, keep any kind of power base in the 45 seats he has in the rest of the country. because he will really need that if the Quebecois don't fully approve of what he accomplishes. If he does accomplsih anything, it will be at the direct expense of the ROC.Poor Jacques. Quote The government should do something.
Evening Star Posted May 17, 2011 Report Posted May 17, 2011 I agree that it's tricky, actually, as an NDP supporter in Ontario. If the NDP actually does start pushing for retro-Mulroney constitutional shenanigans, they're quite likely to lose my vote. Well that is actually two big and diametrically opposed challenges for Jacques. First, get everything for Quebec that he has promised and they are going to expect. Next, keep any kind of power base in the 45 seats he has in the rest of the country. because he will really need that if the Quebecois don't fully approve of what he accomplishes. If he does accomplsih anything, it will be at the direct expense of the ROC. Poor Jacques. Quote
fellowtraveller Posted May 17, 2011 Report Posted May 17, 2011 If the NDP actually does start pushing for retro-Mulroney constitutional shenanigans, they're quite likely to lose my vote. Long before they get to any constitutional stuff, the NDP have to make sure that they get money for Quebec. More money. More than they get now.Lots more. That is why they were elected in great numbers in the province. Time to deliver, no excuses or rhetoric will suffice. Poor Jacques. I wonder if Harper is tempted to give them a few cookies, just to scupper the NDP in the ROC? Quote The government should do something.
Evening Star Posted May 17, 2011 Report Posted May 17, 2011 Hm, well, we'll see. I'm still a little less cynical about Quebec voters. Quote
madmax Posted May 18, 2011 Report Posted May 18, 2011 Long before they get to any constitutional stuff, the NDP have to make sure that they get money for Quebec. You mean money like this..... http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/04/06/harper-promises-to-compensate-quebecs-hst-adoption/ The Conservatives say their promise to compensate Quebec to the tune of $2.2 billion for its adoption of the HST will not have any adverse effect on their efforts to eliminate the deficit by 2015. Last week, the Conservatives signed a deal with Quebec that promised the compensation amount by next September if they are re-elected. Some observers see the deal as a way of assuaging the province after the Tories pledged a multibillion-dollar loan guarantee for the Lower Churchill hydro project in Newfoundland and Labrador. Harper defended the agreement, saying the outlines of an HST deal with Quebec were in the words before the election campaign began, and that “it will not change the overall downward path of the deficit over the next few years.” Quote
Rick Posted May 18, 2011 Report Posted May 18, 2011 One more seat for the good guys. Quebec has clearly demonstrated that they are smart enough not to buy into Harper's bs. Quote “This is all about who you represent,” Mr. Dewar (NDP) said. “We’re (NDP) talking about representing the interests of working people and everyday Canadians and they [the Conservatives] are about representing the fund managers who come in and fleece our companies and our country. Voted Maple Leaf Web's 'Most Outstanding Poster' 2011
fellowtraveller Posted May 18, 2011 Report Posted May 18, 2011 I'm still a little less cynical about Quebec voters. Why? I admire Quebec voters, they don't waffle on what they want from their MPs- money and plenty of it. The Bloc was quite successful at getting it, now the NDP has that job. Jacques Layton can dress it up in fancy rhetoric, but I doubt he has any illusions abut what are now his constituents are used to getting and demand from him.You mean money like this..... No, I mean much more money than that. Examples like this hurt the NDP, since they have no way to take any credit for any of that. And after Harper passesa the HST gravy, he can get away with doing very little, referring the fiscal beggars to their own party- the NDP. Quote The government should do something.
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