betsy Posted August 25, 2011 Author Report Posted August 25, 2011 (edited) Where was creation proven? I have seen no facts, and the only "proof" is a book that has been changed and altered over 3000 years. Give me time, and I can "prove" to kids that Harry Potter is the truth. So, just like Shwa who think Star Trek Novel is an ancient book....with you, it's Harry Potter! Are you giving away your ages, guys? You need time? Why? All I have to do is read it and they think it's the truth! Look at Shwa, she found truth in Star Trek! I don't know who read it to her though....that guy must really be good! Btw, I'm playing that these days....HP and the Chamber of Secrets. Edited August 25, 2011 by betsy Quote
betsy Posted August 25, 2011 Author Report Posted August 25, 2011 (edited) Anyway, since I invoked the Doctrine of Revelation....here is a little snap shot. B. Types of Revelation 1.General Revelation 1.The two main forms of general revelation are the physical universe and the human conscience (and perhaps a third is providential history) 2.It is called "general" because this revelation is accessible to all at any time or era. 2.Forms of General Revelation 1.The Physical Universe 1.Key verses: The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge. There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard. Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the end of the world. -- Psalm 19:1-4 ...What may be known about God is plain to [sinful humanity], because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities - his eternal power and divine nature - have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that humanity is without excuse. -- Romans 1:19-20 2.General revelation is "universal". (See Psalm 19:4 above) 3.What can humanity understand about God through general revelation? 1.God's existence 2.God's power 3.God's order/rightness 4.God's wisdom/knowledge 5.God's greatness/supremacy 6.God's goodness (see Acts 14:16-17) 4.What are the limitations of general revelation? 1.Nature contains enough truth to bring responsibility to humanity to honor God as creator and give him thanks (Romans 1:20-21) 2.General revelation contains enough truth to bring guilt if not acted upon properly. (Romans 1:18) 3.General revelation does not provide enough truth to result in spiritual salvation since it contains no information/revelation regarding Christ and his death for sin (John 14:6; Romans 10:14; Acts 4:6) http://www.theologywebsite.com/systheo/bibliology2.shtml Like I said, this is just a snap shot. Edited August 25, 2011 by betsy Quote
g_bambino Posted August 25, 2011 Report Posted August 25, 2011 You're right! Creation is proven! Bullshit. Quote
scouterjim Posted August 25, 2011 Report Posted August 25, 2011 So, just like Shwa who think Star Trek Novel is an ancient book....with you, it's Harry Potter! Are you giving away your ages, guys? You need time? Why? All I have to do is read it and they think it's the truth! Look at Shwa, she found truth in Star Trek! I don't know who read it to her though....that guy must really be good! Btw, I'm playing that these days....HP and the Chamber of Secrets. I KNOW both the Bible and HP are fiction. Stories written for entertainment and with a moral behind them. YOU cannot accept the Big Book of Bronze Age Fairytales is just that...fairytales. Quote I have captured the rare duct taped platypus.
betsy Posted August 25, 2011 Author Report Posted August 25, 2011 Bullshit. Speaking of bullshit, what about your trilobites? Where's your argument about your trilobites? I get it now. You've been asking where they are.....because you've lost them! Quote
CANADIEN Posted August 25, 2011 Report Posted August 25, 2011 Bullshit. You got to admire how she so blatantly misrepresentated what you wrote. No point in reminding her that defending the faith must include intellectual honesty. Quote
betsy Posted August 25, 2011 Author Report Posted August 25, 2011 I KNOW both the Bible and HP are fiction. Stories written for entertainment and with a moral behind them. YOU cannot accept the Big Book of Bronze Age Fairytales is just that...fairytales. Right on cue! Here comes the expected In-Denial mode! Ignore-everything-that's-been-presented mode! Recite-the-mantra mode! Let's-go-on-the-merry-go-round mode! Stick-those-digits-in and-plug-those-ears mode! The pie-in-the-sky mode! The spaghetti-monster mode! The myth mode! The fairytale mode! Oh boy, truly the repetitive atheist! Quote
cybercoma Posted August 25, 2011 Report Posted August 25, 2011 Congratulations, betsy. You win. You've accomplished becoming the single most obnoxious poster in the history of the internet. Quote
g_bambino Posted August 25, 2011 Report Posted August 25, 2011 (edited) You got to admire how she so blatantly misrepresentated what you wrote. No point in reminding her that defending the faith must include intellectual honesty. Indeed. I don't have to agree with someone, and I don't expect everyone to agree with me, but I do hold to the notion that one should be willing to listen to and understand the opposing opinion before responding, whether in agreement or against. That's what honest debate, and science, relies on. And that's how people can have Christian (or other) faith and still accept things like evolution and the Big Bang. [punct] Edited August 25, 2011 by g_bambino Quote
g_bambino Posted August 25, 2011 Report Posted August 25, 2011 (edited) Right on cue! Here comes the expected In-Denial mode! Ignore-everything-that's-been-presented mode! Recite-the-mantra mode! Let's-go-on-the-merry-go-round mode! Stick-those-digits-in and-plug-those-ears mode! The pie-in-the-sky mode! The spaghetti-monster mode! The myth mode! The fairytale mode! Oh boy, truly the repetitive theist! Yes, you certainly were on cue. You always are. [c/e] Edited August 25, 2011 by g_bambino Quote
CANADIEN Posted August 26, 2011 Report Posted August 26, 2011 FACT: The earth is round. Isaiah 40:22 (New International Version) 22 He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. Hebrews at the time of Isaiah were hardly the only ones, or the first ones, to know that the Earth was round. The same view can be seen in texts by Homer, in early Egyptian texts, antique India texts. Besides, the Earth is not a circle. But then, the shape of the Earth is not the point of the text. It is about God, and His Majesty. Quote
CANADIEN Posted August 26, 2011 Report Posted August 26, 2011 FACT: Mountains and trenches in the deep blue sea. Jonah 2:3-6 (New International version) 3 You hurled me into the depths, into the very heart of the seas, and the currents swirled about me; all your waves and breakers swept over me. 4 I said, ‘I have been banished from your sight; yet I will look again toward your holy temple.’ 5 The engulfing waters threatened me, the deep surrounded me; seaweed was wrapped around my head. 6 To the roots of the mountains I sank down; the earth beneath barred me in forever. Towering mountains and deep trenches in the depths of the oceans were discovered in the last century. Anyone (besides betsy that is), I say anyone sees any reference to undersea trenches and mountains? There is none. What there is, however, is a powerful image of what it feels when one thinks that God has abandoned him. No need to add stuff that is not there. Quote
CANADIEN Posted August 26, 2011 Report Posted August 26, 2011 FACT: Invisible atoms, the building blocks Hebrews 11:3 (New International Version) 3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible. Colossians 1:15-17 (New International Version) The Supremacy of the Son of God 15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And I could take these texts as meaning that the Bible is proof of the existence of ghosts.No scientist worth even a high school diploma would argue the Bbile was providing a description of atoms. No honest theologian would either. Quote
CANADIEN Posted August 26, 2011 Report Posted August 26, 2011 FACT: Expression - "CURVATURE OF SPACE," still related to STRETCHING UNIVERSE Actually, I excluded 3 passages from the Bible when I posted the EXPANDING UNIVERSE. Those three excluded Biblical passages did not use the descriptive word "stretches/stretched." It was puzzling. I thought, what does it mean? However this article gave it some meaning: http://www.science27.com/english/introduction1.html http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=274 KEYWORD: CURVE; Curvature. It makes sense that yes, this is also relevant to the Biblical description of creation. He bowed the heavens also, and came down: and darkness [was] under his feet. Psalms 18:9 Bow thy heavens, O LORD, and come down: touch the mountains, and they shall smoke. Psalms 144:5 He bowed the heavens also, and came down; and darkness [was] under his feet. 2 Samuel 22:10 Nothing in there that talks about a curved universe, even metaphorically. Quote
CANADIEN Posted August 26, 2011 Report Posted August 26, 2011 FACT: RODINIA and PANTHALASSA, one land and one ocean! Science says one supercontinent and one enormous ocean existed on earth, a billion years ago – just as the Bible said in Genesis. Genesis 1:9-10 9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good. http://www.washington.edu/burkemuseum/geo_history_wa/Dance%20of%20the%20Giant%20Continents.htm http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/441527/Panthalassa Let me see here. The Earth is at least one billion years. Homo sapiens is a lot younger than that. Yet, the Bible is to be taken literally. Good thing I have my faith. Becuase this kind of "science" would be enough to turn me into an atheist. Oops, I forgot - I am one. Quote
CANADIEN Posted August 26, 2011 Report Posted August 26, 2011 This might interest some of you out there. Another interpretation on the foundations of the world. More.....[/i]http://www.geocentricity.com/astronomy_of_bible/flatearth/doesbibleteach.html Trying my best betsy imitation possible (but without the anooying formating): FACT. The Bible is to be taken literally... except when it contradicts betsy's sayings, in which case what is written is subject to interpretation. Quote
CANADIEN Posted August 26, 2011 Report Posted August 26, 2011 Depends on what you mean by "evolved earth." If you're referring to macro-evolution, that we are related to chimps, then perhaps you should re-read the Bible again. You missed these parts! Because clearly God is saying there is no macro-evolution! In fact, He really emphasized that! He's telling us to believe He created everything - according to their various kinds! Genesis 1 11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day. Emphasis on “according to their kinds.” 20 And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.” 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. Emphasis on “according to their kinds.” So obviously this clearly states there is no macro-evolution. Up to now, there is no evidence to support evolution. 24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. Again, that emphasis, “according to its kind.” There is no evidence about evolution. Except of course, the evidence that has been found. Including by faithful Christian scientists. Pity that some are missing one of the most beautiful allegory ever written, the opening phrases of Genesis. Quote
CANADIEN Posted August 26, 2011 Report Posted August 26, 2011 Furthermore, this passage in Genesis 2 also clearly states that He made everything! There's no macro-evolution! The creating God and macro-evolution are not contradictory. Most people of faith understand that. You don't. Quote
CANADIEN Posted August 26, 2011 Report Posted August 26, 2011 Viruses and bacteria are ADAPTING! They're getting stronger. Resistant! It,s called... evolution. Quote
dre Posted August 26, 2011 Report Posted August 26, 2011 FACT: RODINIA and PANTHALASSA, one land and one ocean! Science says one supercontinent and one enormous ocean existed on earth, a billion years ago – just as the Bible said in Genesis. Hahahaha. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
betsy Posted August 26, 2011 Author Report Posted August 26, 2011 (edited) #54 FACT: "The Bible is written by over forty authors from every walk of life, over a period of at least fifteen hundred years, in three completely different languages, in various styles, in scores of situations, on three continents in a day when people didn’t travel very much" This was taken from the introduction post on the other topic The Word Of God. These are excerpts from Charles Price from the subject: Revealing The Mind Of God. The Bible is written by over forty authors from every walk of life. There are kings writing in this book. There are military leaders, and there are peasants, there are philosophers, there are fishermen, there are tax collectors, there are poets, there are musicians, there’s a harpist, and a drummer. A drummer wrote two psalms. His name was Asaph. There are scholars who write this book, there are shepherds who write this book, and there was a cowman who wrote part of this book. His job was looking after cattle. This has come from a huge variety of human sources. It was written over a period of at least fifteen hundred years. That means if the last book was being written now, the first book would have been written in the closing days of the Roman Empire. The Roman Empire finally was disbanded in 476 A.D. That’s just over fifteen hundred years ago. That’s a huge time span. During that fifteen hundred years, cultures changed, outlooks changed. It was written in three completely different languages: Hebrew and Greek are the primary languages, but parts of the Old Testament are written in Aramaic, which also would have been the mother tongue of Jesus, so the original speaking of Jesus would have been in Aramaic, though written in Greek, which had become the international language. It was written in numerous styles; in fact, almost every literary style you’ll probably find in this book. There’s history, there’s poetry, there are songs, there is law, there is biography, there is autobiography, there is prophecy, there is parable, there is allegory, and probably other things that I haven’t thought of. It was written on three continents in a day when people didn’t travel very much: Asia, Europe, and a little bit of it was written in Africa, Jeremiah down in Egypt. It was written in scores of situations. Moses wrote part of it in the wilderness. Jeremiah and Paul both wrote in prison. David wrote some of his psalms up on the hillside; Solomon in his luxurious palace; Ezekiel in exile, sitting down by the rivers of Babylon; John exiled to the isle of Patmos as an old man; Mark back at home in Jerusalem; Paul on the road, busy but writing as he travelled; and Peter writing his epistles facing persecutions. It deals with dozens of controversial subjects like. “Who is God?” That’s a controversial subject. “What is the meaning of life? What is the purpose of life?” It deals with things like authority and law. These are controversial issues. And there are hundreds of hot topics that it covers: marriage for instance, and divorce, sexuality, parenting, truth, lies, attitudes to wealth, attitudes to poverty, attitudes to the needy. It deals with things like sin and judgement, and heaven and hell. And yet despite the breadth of authors, the languages, the numerous styles, the varying situations, the huge period of time over which it was written in places at a time when people did not travel much, one astounding thing is very evident: There is an amazing unity and harmony that runs all the way through. Because in spite of its diversity, the Bible presents one single, unfolding story. It’s the story of creation, the fall of man, the redemption of man, and the future restoration back to what God intended everything to be. Now if you tried to put that together humanly with a very smart editor, though no editor survives fifteen hundred years, you wouldn’t get this kind of unity and harmony.” Isaiah 55:6-11: “Seek the Lord while He may be found; call on Him while He is near. Let the wicked forsake his way and the evil man his thoughts. Let him turn to the Lord, and He will have mercy on him, and to our God, for He will freely pardon. “‘For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,’ declares the Lord. ‘As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts. As the rain and the snow come down from heaven, and do not return to it without watering the earth and making it bud and flourish, so that it yields seed for the sower and bread for the eater, so is my Word that goes out from my mouth; it will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.’” Edited August 26, 2011 by betsy Quote
CANADIEN Posted August 26, 2011 Report Posted August 26, 2011 #54 FACT: "The Bible is written by over forty authors from every walk of life, over a period of at least fifteen hundred years, in three completely different languages, in various styles, in scores of situations, on three continents in a day when people didn’t travel very much" This was taken from the introduction post on the other topic The Word Of God. These are excerpts from Charles Price from the subject: Revealing The Mind Of God. One is left to wonder how closely you read what you post. Here we have a quotation from an author who recognizes the multiplicity of literary genres, including allegories, in the Bible, and you yell "Here's the proof! Here's the proof!" Yet, you persist in treating the most obvious allegory, the beginning of Genesis, like if it was to be taken literally. Quote
CANADIEN Posted August 26, 2011 Report Posted August 26, 2011 (edited) You cited the article by Davis A. Young to show that there is a contradiction to a Biblical reference. You made this claim (along with three other claims): http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=18914&st=660 And I'm telling you, that article does not show a contradiction to a Biblical reference. http://biologos.org/questions/genesis-flood It is quite clear that the Genesis text talks about a GLOBAL deluge. Not a regional one (even though the story is not to be taken literally, and is inspired by catastrophic inundations that have occured times and times again in the Mesopotamian plains). BTW, I have two questions. When dix the Déluge occur? Are we all Noah's descendants? The betsy fact is proven once again. The Bible is to be taken literally... except when it contradicts betsy's sayings, in which case what is written is subject to interpretation. Edited August 26, 2011 by CANADIEN Quote
g_bambino Posted August 26, 2011 Report Posted August 26, 2011 The betsy fact is proven once again. The Bible is to be taken literally... except when it contradicts betsy's sayings, in which case what is written is subject to interpretation. Hmm.. Yes. Quote
scouterjim Posted August 26, 2011 Report Posted August 26, 2011 Right on cue! Here comes the expected In-Denial mode! Ignore-everything-that's-been-presented mode! Recite-the-mantra mode! Let's-go-on-the-merry-go-round mode! Stick-those-digits-in and-plug-those-ears mode! The pie-in-the-sky mode! The spaghetti-monster mode! The myth mode! The fairytale mode! Oh boy, truly the repetitive atheist! One has to admire the work of those who brain washed you so many years ago. They did a fine job. Quote I have captured the rare duct taped platypus.
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