Israel's march to the Dark Ages

[Saipan]

Common among indians not Jews.

[Bonam]

No she was only driven to suicide, I hope that makes you feel better.

Lots of people commit suicide for various reasons. Also, I have no feelings on the subject either way since I don't know the family in question.

[Guest American Woman]

No she was only driven to suicide, I hope that makes you feel better.

You do realize that suicide isn't murder, right? And unfortunately, lots of people commit suicide. Whether they were "driven" to it or not is debatable. Others living under the same circumstances don't commit suicide. At any rate, your trying to pass off a suicide as murder in order to badmouth Israel says a lot about you.

[Scotty]

Agreed.

A minority of Muslims might espouse blowing up buildings, but those who can be said to agree with many of their aims are not in the minority. As an example, the majority of Muslims in most Muslim countries surveyed want Sharia law. I don't regard anyone who likes Sharia law as a moderate in any way, shape or form.

[Saipan]

As suicide goes, Japan has higher suicide rate than Canada.

Caused by depression. Apparently because Japanese are not allowed to have any firearms

[GostHacked]

A minority of Muslims might espouse blowing up buildings, but those who can be said to agree with many of their aims are not in the minority. As an example, the majority of Muslims in most Muslim countries surveyed want Sharia law. I don't regard anyone who likes Sharia law as a moderate in any way, shape or form.

Does not matter if you agree with Sharia Law or not, it simply won't happen here in Canada or the US. But we can go more on your statement, that most jews/Israelis share some of the views of their extremist friends.

What happens in Muslim countries really is none of our concern. We should focus on what is happening here at home.

[Saipan]

Does not matter if you agree with Sharia Law or not, it simply won't happen here in Canada or the US.

So why should we worry about what happen in Africa?

But we can go more on your statement, that most jews/Israelis share some of the views of their extremist friends.

Blowing up WTC or putting explosives in their underwear?

What happens in Muslim countries really is none of our concern. We should focus on what is happening here at home.

Like I said why should we worry about what happen in Africa or East Timor, or Balkans.....?

[Post To The Left]

Blowing up WTC or putting explosives in their underwear?

No. Putting explosives in a hotel killing almost a hundred people or kidnapping peace keepers, killing them and then bobby trapping their bodies.

[DogOnPorch]

No. Putting explosives in a hotel killing almost a hundred people or kidnapping peace keepers, killing them and then bobby trapping their bodies.

Peacekeepers??

Irgun was @ war with the British. The Brits were busy executing Jews for minor offences trying to fight them. As for the KDH, it was the British Military HQ in the mandate.

It should be noted that Irgun is not Haganah.

[Saipan]

No. Putting explosives in a hotel killing almost a hundred people or kidnapping peace keepers, killing them and then bobby trapping their bodies.

Legitimate targets in war against Jews. German occupational forces also met similar fate in those days

[Scotty]

Does not matter if you agree with Sharia Law or not, it simply won't happen here in Canada or the US. But we can go more on your statement, that most jews/Israelis share some of the views of their extremist friends.

What happens in Muslim countries really is none of our concern. We should focus on what is happening here at home.

Except that we're bringing in tens of thousands of those Muslims every year, so it is somewhat our concern how many are 'moderate' as opposed to what, by our standards, is a religious attitude hostile to secular society.

[GostHacked]

Except that we're bringing in tens of thousands of those Muslims every year, so it is somewhat our concern how many are 'moderate' as opposed to what, by our standards, is a religious attitude hostile to secular society.

We've been through this before. Sharia Law will not become part of Canada's juducial system. And because of the Muslims not getting their courts in Canada, the Jews lost their courts as well. We have one judicial system here in Canada that we all follow.

[Saipan]

We have one judicial system here in Canada that we all follow.

Really?

So how come Moslem "students" are allowed to prevent free speech (of Netanyahu) - even at a cost of demolition at university?

We have "separation of church and state", but not temple and state, so public display of nativity (only at Chrismas) is forbiden while changing RCMP uniform to wear turban is fine. Because some religions are more important?

Edited May 24, 2011 by Saipan

[Saipan]

As for any comparison of Jews and Moslems.

http://gonzoreality.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/islam-will-dominate-the-world1.jpg

http://img2.photographersdirect.com/img/27/wm/pd1649160.jpg

[Post To The Left]

Legitimate targets in war against Jews. German occupational forces also met similar fate in those days

So stateless people killing an occupation force denying them their own state is a "legitimate" force of action? Many innocent people died in the King David hotel, them being killed is OK as long as the acting party is fighting against an occupation force?

Killing hostages and bobby trapping their bodies in hopes of maiming their comrades is a "legitimate" force of action as long as they're fighting an occupation force?

[DogOnPorch]

So stateless people killing an occupation force denying them their own state is a "legitimate" force of action? Many innocent people died in the King David hotel, them being killed is OK as long as the acting party is fighting against an occupation force?

Killing hostages and bobby trapping their bodies in hopes of maiming their comrades is a "legitimate" force of action as long as they're fighting an occupation force?

You apparently are unaware of the difference between Irgun and Haganah.

[Post To The Left]

As for any comparison of Jews and Moslems.

You honestly don't believe that Muslims are the only ones who believe their religion is the only answer and try and spread their religion? The idiots in the pictures are on the same level as Ann Coulter who said "Bomb their cities, kill their leaders and convert the people to Christianity." The American military was caught trying to smuggle Bibles, that had been translated into Dari and Pashtu, into Afghanistan. Which sounds ridiculous but you know right now someone in Saudi Arabia is using that quote or the American actions as a representative of every Christian's intentions, to kill Islam.

Right now there is a Muslim Saipan that is saying Christians want to convert us all and turn the world into a Christian state!

Edited May 24, 2011 by Post To The Left

[Post To The Left]

You apparently are unaware of the difference between Irgun and Haganah.

So an extremist Jewish terrorist group doesn't represent the entire Jewish cause? So extremist Jewish groups' actions shouldn't be used to paint the whole culture?

[DogOnPorch]

So an extremist Jewish terrorist group doesn't represent the entire Jewish cause? So extremist Jewish groups' actions shouldn't be used to paint the whole culture?

Irgun was @ war with the British, as was Stern's gang...not Haganah. But, the British were executing everbody...including Haganah members.

[Post To The Left]

Irgun was @ war with the British, as was Stern's gang...not Haganah. But, the British were executing everbody...including Haganah members.

So the British are bad because they were using collective punishment against a whole population because of the actions of a small violent extremist group. So are the actions of this Jewish terrorist group justified because they were fighting collective punishment?

[GostHacked]

Really?

So how come Moslem "students" are allowed to prevent free speech (of Netanyahu) - even at a cost of demolition at university?

We have "separation of church and state", but not temple and state, so public display of nativity (only at Chrismas) is forbiden while changing RCMP uniform to wear turban is fine. Because some religions are more important?

I have no clue what you are saying most of the time.

[DogOnPorch]

So the British are bad because they were using collective punishment against a whole population because of the actions of a small violent extremist group. So are the actions of this Jewish terrorist group justified because they were fighting collective punishment?

I'm not justifying Irgun's actions. Just stating the non-hysterical version of history. Even Haganah wanted Irgun gone. But if we're comparing apples and oranges, I note Fatah wants to be friends with Hamas.

[Rue]

Isn't it their aim though? It's not they can't find jobs its that they don't want to work because its they're belief (supported by their religious leaders) that they shouldn't do anything but study biblical texts. Very similar to how Saudi Arabia pumps out millions of young Arabs with useless Islamic educations. They see themselves as the spiritual side of Israel that should be supported, cradle to the grave, and defended by the state of Israel.

that's the best you have under this Post To The left name? Same old exercise with a new name? That's it?

For you to engage in the exercise of inferring by inneuendo as you do that ultra-orthodox Jews represent the majority opinion of all Israelis AND Jews is nothing more then the exercise of a group anti-semitic smeer.

It is blatantly anti-semitic for you assign a negative characteristic to ALL JEWS not just Israelis by deliberately inferring because ultra-orthodox Jews who are a minority of Jews may harbour such the beliefs all Jews and Israelis do as well and its state sanctioned and approved.

To me that is a pathetic, transparent, negative group smeer of all Jews trying to suggest we all think the same and using debate as to Israeli policy as your pretext to negatively stereotype Jews and Israelis.

The attempt to pass of the New York publication as an Israeli one speaks for itself as well.

You want to discuss a political issue please do so. So far you have not.

By the way when you claim you are only criticizing Israeli policies read back what you stated word for word. Your reference to all Jews and all Israelis with your negative group descriptions is loud and clear.

Edited May 24, 2011 by Rue

[Bob]

Post to the Left is just another Wikipedia expert who follows the links to portray Israel as being born in sin and the Israelis and Jews as war mongering racist conquerors. Go read some books, rather than politicized Wikipedia entries that are more often than not written in a politicized/biased manner. You can't just throw a link to the King David Hotel bombing of 1946 and run away from the context. Yes, for an ignorant person, reading about that event in isolation of the context in which it took place might make some of the early pre-Israel Zionist movements look bad. But there's more to it than that.

[Rue]

You apparently are unaware of the difference between Irgun and Haganah.

I would contend this poster is engaged in baiting and has so far made a litany of accusations and has an agenda

to make political statements not debate any issues.

Edited May 24, 2011 by Rue