maldon_road Posted April 15, 2011 Report Posted April 15, 2011 Let's not forget Rae Days - enforced layoffs of public servants. By the time the Tories had done a job on Rae's record the Liberals would have trouble getting 50 seats. Quote If the men do not die well it will be a black matter for the king that led them to it.
Evening Star Posted April 15, 2011 Report Posted April 15, 2011 That's what I was referring to as the "social contract". My understanding of Rae Days has always been that they were mandatory days of unpaid leave for public servants who made over $30k, with the specific intention of cutting costs without laying people off. Quote
Saipan Posted April 15, 2011 Report Posted April 15, 2011 Prime Minister Rae New joke of the day. Quote
maldon_road Posted April 15, 2011 Report Posted April 15, 2011 That's what I was referring to as the "social contract". My understanding of Rae Days has always been that they were mandatory days of unpaid leave for public servants who made over $30k, with the specific intention of cutting costs without laying people off. I hope the Liberals never try to distinguish between a "layoff" and "mandatory days of unpaid leave". What the Liberals do not need is an old-timer as a new leader. Rae belongs to the dinosaurs - John McCallum, Anita Neville, Marlene Jennings, Ralph Goodale etc. If they have to ditch Iggy, which seems likely, at least put a new face in there, not someone from another era. Quote If the men do not die well it will be a black matter for the king that led them to it.
Evening Star Posted April 15, 2011 Report Posted April 15, 2011 I hope the Liberals never try to distinguish between a "layoff" and "mandatory days of unpaid leave". Surely you can see a difference between keeping your job with fewer hours and losing your job altogether? What the Liberals do not need is an old-timer as a new leader. Rae belongs to the dinosaurs - John McCallum, Anita Neville, Marlene Jennings, Ralph Goodale etc. If they have to ditch Iggy, which seems likely, at least put a new face in there, not someone from another era. I think I actually agree with you here. Quote
maldon_road Posted April 15, 2011 Report Posted April 15, 2011 Surely you can see a difference between keeping your job with fewer hours and losing your job altogether? That's an issue that has received a lot of debate in the labor movement - do you put a lot of people on part-time work or layoff junior employees? I don't think there is a right answer. Quote If the men do not die well it will be a black matter for the king that led them to it.
Moonbox Posted April 15, 2011 Report Posted April 15, 2011 Then he didn't run it like a federal Liberal. He also said he learned much from his experience in Ontario, which was the next thing to a no win scenario. Pierre Trudeau (a Liberal) was the worst fiscal manager the country has ever seen and the numbers (facts) support that easily. Bob Rae was the worst fiscal manager Ontario ever had. It seems fitting where Bob Rae is now. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Wild Bill Posted April 15, 2011 Report Posted April 15, 2011 Surely you can see a difference between keeping your job with fewer hours and losing your job altogether? I think I actually agree with you here. Star, you can pile up excuses for Rae till the cows come home and it just doesn't matter! They can all be TRUE and it still doesn't matter! Ontarioans overwhelmingly despise Bob Rae for his term in provincial power. It would be easier to get Mulroney voted back in as PM! They don't care to even listen to any excuses. They wrote him and his party off long ago. Both Bob Rae and the NDP are going nowhere in Ontario for a long time, long enough for all the people who were around then to die off, leaving younger folks with no bad memories. As I said, it doesn't matter if your excuses are true. It's just the way it is. Period and end of story. Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
WWWTT Posted April 15, 2011 Report Posted April 15, 2011 Star, you can pile up excuses for Rae till the cows come home and it just doesn't matter! They can all be TRUE and it still doesn't matter! Ontarioans overwhelmingly despise Bob Rae for his term in provincial power. It would be easier to get Mulroney voted back in as PM! They don't care to even listen to any excuses. They wrote him and his party off long ago. Both Bob Rae and the NDP are going nowhere in Ontario for a long time, long enough for all the people who were around then to die off, leaving younger folks with no bad memories. As I said, it doesn't matter if your excuses are true. It's just the way it is. Period and end of story. Ya end of story until I start to get in on this one wild. No more last word for you buddy. The gloves are off now buddy! Man your going to be turning when Jack and the NDP start getting into power after this next election. The best you can hope for is a deep recesion so you can easily blame Jack.Anything short of that and you aren't going to convince anyone here of anything. Good luck Wild WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Shakeyhands Posted April 15, 2011 Report Posted April 15, 2011 Except the Tories won't win a majority, Iggy will gain some seats, will gang up with the Bloc and NDP and topple the Tories over the Throne Speech and Iggy will be PM. from your lips to God's ear friend! Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
capricorn Posted April 15, 2011 Report Posted April 15, 2011 from your lips to God's ear friend! Speaking of God. I heard Harper end some of his speeches with God Bless Canada. Shocking! Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Scotty Posted April 16, 2011 Report Posted April 16, 2011 I didn't realize we were still in the 20th century, let alone the 70's and 80's. Do you remember some people with the last names Chretien and Martin? Because that's the way modern federal Liberal have run things. Chretien was a crooked bum who cared about nothing but himself. Martin, out of Chretien's shadow, was a spendthrift. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted April 16, 2011 Report Posted April 16, 2011 I'm sorry, but the federal Liberal party of the recent past is probably THE best example of fiscal prudence in the modern world. I never got the idea they were being fiscally prudent because they cared about fiscal prudence. Chretien simply saw no reason to address any of the problems of the country given the disunity among the opposition and his huge poll leads. Liberals spend money to buy votes. They didn't feel the need to buy votes until the right wing parties merged. Then you saw an entirely different Liberal party. You saw massive spending, and plans for more massive spending. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted April 16, 2011 Report Posted April 16, 2011 It's a sad reflection on the Liberal party that Bob Rae seems to be the frontrunner to replace Iggy. Rae is not going to replace Iggy. By their constitution, the Liberals must select a Francophone for their next leader. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted April 16, 2011 Report Posted April 16, 2011 (edited) Really pisses you off being the lost generation, eh? Our parents/grandparents have leeched us dry. The boomers were the most fiscally selfish and irresponsible generation this country has ever seen. You know, when the boomers were born, their parents paid for a lavish building boom in schools. When the boomers had children they said "I'm not paying for new schools! Stick em in portables!". They also wanted all kinds of goodies, but didn't want to pay for them. Trudeau told them they didn't need to worry, doubling spending, then doubling it again, and building up the huge debt we'll be paying off for generations. Edited April 16, 2011 by Scotty Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted April 16, 2011 Report Posted April 16, 2011 Pierre Trudeau (a Liberal) was the worst fiscal manager the country has ever seen and the numbers (facts) support that easily. Bob Rae was the worst fiscal manager Ontario ever had. It seems fitting where Bob Rae is now. Bob Rae WAS the worst, but he has been easily surpassed by Dalton McGuinty. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Evening Star Posted April 16, 2011 Report Posted April 16, 2011 I never got the idea they were being fiscally prudent because they cared about fiscal prudence. Chretien simply saw no reason to address any of the problems of the country given the disunity among the opposition and his huge poll leads. Liberals spend money to buy votes. They didn't feel the need to buy votes until the right wing parties merged. Then you saw an entirely different Liberal party. You saw massive spending, and plans for more massive spending. I'd spin it differently than you but I always understood that the change in policy from 2004-2006 had to do with the fact that the NDP's support was needed to support the LPC minority. Quote
Shakeyhands Posted April 16, 2011 Report Posted April 16, 2011 Speaking of God. I heard Harper end some of his speeches with God Bless Canada. Shocking! Totally inappropriate. I tried to cut him some slack though, he was only trying to impress his hero. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
kimmy Posted April 16, 2011 Report Posted April 16, 2011 Totally inappropriate. I tried to cut him some slack though, he was only trying to impress his hero. ...God? -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
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