RNG Posted April 11, 2011 Report Share Posted April 11, 2011 Hey Libs, I'm still waiting for the armed soldiers marching through the streets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadBrother Posted April 11, 2011 Report Share Posted April 11, 2011 Hey Libs, I'm still waiting for the armed soldiers marching through the streets. Tory HQ: Crap! They've got some dirt on us! Quick, let's look up our talking points from the last few elections! Maybe we can throw something in there about pepper spray or NEP! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keepitsimple Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 (edited) I just don't see the smoking gun, here. Instead, I see the following:Toronto Star IOW, the opposition deliberately leaked this draft report in the midst of a campaign to achieve maximum harm to teh government. This is just politics as usual, and will be seen that way among potentially swing voters. Even the AG said so: ---- I would not be surprised to see more "leaks" from the Ottawa bureaucracy as we get closer to the election. Some of these people really hate Harper and the Conservatives. Not only that - but the opposition deliberately leaked THIS VERSION of the report. Unless it was stolen, the "leaker" had to have access to subsequent drafts but chose to "leak" this one to create the most damage. Someone will be in deep trouble. Edited April 12, 2011 by Keepitsimple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueblood Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 Not only that - but the opposition deliberately leaked THIS VERSION of the report. Unless it was stolen, the "leaker" had to have access to subsequent drafts but chose to "leak" this one to create the most damage. Someone will be in deep trouble. Wrong, there are 2 people in trouble. The one you mentioned, and the source of the february draft that fife reported on. I find it funny that the media is still saying allegations of illegality and misleading parliament when document number 2 clearly busts that myth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 I find it funny that the media is still saying allegations of illegality and misleading parliament when document number 2 clearly busts that myth. It still isn't good news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueblood Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 It still isn't good news. What that money was spent stupidly? Everybody knows that. The federal govt does that on a regular basis. Kevin o'leary makes an interesting point: During the g8/g20 summit, canada's brand around the world shot up in value. Was that not worth the money? Hell politicians blow a billion here and there on less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YEGmann Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 On the other hand, it seems that the AG report confirms that at least 95% of budget for the summit(s) were properly spent. Which destoys long time opposition cries over "huge ovespendings on tthe event". Remember "a billion dollar for two-day meeting"? AG says now "Yes, the meeting must cost that much!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 Looks like after the second report the media has decided this story isn't sexy anymore. They have moved on. Wow the Cons seem to have escaped another bullet. The public is just not tuned in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 (edited) Th second report makes it much harder to sell as a big deal. As someone else said, most of the money was spent just fine, and there is no longer an allegation of criminality. This may not be the big deal that I thought it was. It's still a bit of a deal to me, especially the hypocrisy of Conservative supporters...and the lie about the praise that they said the AG gave them. Edited April 12, 2011 by Smallc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 Th second report makes it much harder to sell as a big deal. As someone else said, most of the money was spent just fine, and there is no longer an allegation of criminality. This may not be the big deal that I thought it was. It's still a bit of a deal to me, especially the hypocrisy of Conservative supporters...and the lie about the praise that they said the AG gave them. There still are a couple of big deals, and that's who illegally leaked the AGs draft documents, and more critically how the media "coincidentally" releases it the day before the debate. It was an orchestrated "lets get the Conservative" moment. Anyone who still thinks there is not a very serious Liberal bias in the Canadian media is completely stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capricorn Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 ...and the lie about the praise that they said the AG gave them. Stockwell Day moved pretty quickly to put that fire out. In addition to contacting the AG posthaste and apologizing profusely, he is working with other House leaders to have the Parliamentary record amended to remove the quote attributed to her. But I expect this will have legs for a couple more days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakeyhands Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 There still are a couple of big deals, and that's who illegally leaked the AGs draft documents, and more critically how the media "coincidentally" releases it the day before the debate. It was an orchestrated "lets get the Conservative" moment. Anyone who still thinks there is not a very serious Liberal bias in the Canadian media is completely stupid. Hilarious, One word, Goodale. Where was your outrage then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicky10013 Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 There still are a couple of big deals, and that's who illegally leaked the AGs draft documents, and more critically how the media "coincidentally" releases it the day before the debate. It was an orchestrated "lets get the Conservative" moment. Anyone who still thinks there is not a very serious Liberal bias in the Canadian media is completely stupid. Conspiracy theory to disavow any responsibility of the people you vote for. Most people call it denial. What I personally don't understand is the sheer stupidity of passing off a AG report about the previous government as if it was praise for your own. Is it so inconceivable to the people running our country that something like this is REALLY easy to find? That the media would've found out about this once the actual report was released? It's one thing to not comment, but it's another thing to forge a phony document to make you look better so you have a better chance to hang onto power. Mind boggling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capricorn Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 It was an orchestrated "lets get the Conservative" moment. If the Liberals have any more leaks up their sleeve, I would suggest they space them out to make sure that a really saucy one comes out toward the end of the campaign. You know, closer to voting day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueblood Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 Conspiracy theory to disavow any responsibility of the people you vote for. Most people call it denial. What I personally don't understand is the sheer stupidity of passing off a AG report about the previous government as if it was praise for your own. Is it so inconceivable to the people running our country that something like this is REALLY easy to find? That the media would've found out about this once the actual report was released? It's one thing to not comment, but it's another thing to forge a phony document to make you look better so you have a better chance to hang onto power. Mind boggling. Speaking of stupid, what forged phony document? The february draft that robert fife got a hold of? If it was forged wouldn't either fife or the auditor general have something to say about that? Stupid is as stupid does Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evening Star Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 Think he's referring to this: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadavotes2011/story/2011/04/11/cv-election-weston-ag-fraser.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueblood Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 Think he's referring to this: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadavotes2011/story/2011/04/11/cv-election-weston-ag-fraser.html That's not forgery, that's a misquote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicky10013 Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 Think he's referring to this: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadavotes2011/story/2011/04/11/cv-election-weston-ag-fraser.html Yep. So what was that about stupid is as stupid does? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evening Star Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 That's not forgery, that's a misquote. Yeah, it's not exactly a forgery, I'll give you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueblood Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 Yep. So what was that about stupid is as stupid does? Claiming a misquote as a forgery. There's a difference in being wrong and forgery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 Claiming a misquote as a forgery. There's a difference in being wrong and forgery. let's call it what it really is...a complete fabrication, a lie, it's impossible to make a mistake like that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicky10013 Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 Claiming a misquote as a forgery. There's a difference in being wrong and forgery. So what you're saying is that the government misquoted the AG on this? See, that would fly if it wasn't for the fact that the AG is saying the quote is ripped from a previous report about a previous government. So you're really making the argument that the fact that it's exactly the same as a previous report is merely a coincidence? Taking a previous report about a previous government and ripping nice comments and then passing it off as it's going to actually be in this report is in fact forgery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicky10013 Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 let's call it what it really is...a complete fabrication, a lie, it's impossible to make a mistake like that... A fabrication is a synonym for forgery....just saying... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 let's call it what it really is...a complete fabrication, a lie, it's impossible to make a mistake like that... I think that's more likely. Someone in the war room probably thought that no one would notice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicky10013 Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 I think that's more likely. Someone in the war room probably thought that no one would notice. It was a report tabled in parliament. This went above the war room. Which goes back to my original question? I mean these guys pulled a LOT of stuff but this is BEYOND stupid. Did they really expect people wouldn't notice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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