Scotty Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 (edited) In his column in the Globe today John Ibbitson, reading over Ignateiff's version of the big red book, says Ignatieff is trying to take us back into the Trudeau days of big social spending, taxing corporations and the well-heeled, and continuing deficits. He says the Liberals have now changed their story on replacing the F-18s. That's news to me. They were always in favour of a replacement, but wanted a bidding process first. Now, Ibittson says they've abandoned any plans to replace the F-18s at all. Also, they have abandoned plans to get rid of the deficit, but are only saying they will reduce it. John Ibbitson Would any Liberal supporter like to comment on the veracity of Ibbitson's statements? Then there's John Ivison, whose skepticism is pretty much along the same lines. Lots of social spending, permanent program social spending, but little attention paid to financial matters. Liberal Platform is Buyer Beware Edited April 4, 2011 by Scotty Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Moonbox Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 It certainly seems like it with his platform. Ignatieff is floundering around with his policies trying to find SOMETHING that might strike a chord.... Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
blueblood Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 And they say harper likes to muzzle MPs. Where oh where is liberal MP McCallum to weigh in on this? I would love to hear what a former RBC brass has to say about this. I guess manley got out while the getting was good! Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
GWiz Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 Are you people kidding? April fools joke? If you can read, read, all the answers you want are right here > http://www.liberal.ca/platform/the-economy/fiscal-policy/ I gol-dang double down dare you to look at what the Liberal policies actually are instead of having someone else tell you how to think and act... BUT, ultimately, if you're a Harper lemming, do your own thing, and don't bother to THINK at all for yourself, that's what any good "Harperite" does don't you know... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
Scotty Posted April 4, 2011 Author Report Posted April 4, 2011 (edited) Are you people kidding? April fools joke? If you can read, read, all the answers you want are right here > http://www.liberal.ca/platform/the-economy/fiscal-policy/ I gol-dang double down dare you to look at what the Liberal policies actually are instead of having someone else tell you how to think and act... BUT, ultimately, if you're a Harper lemming, do your own thing, and don't bother to THINK at all for yourself, that's what any good "Harperite" does don't you know... This sort of smirking, disrespectful answer isn't likely to endear you or your party to anyone. Telling us to read your umpteen page red book is not an answer. Everyone knows those things are written by spin doctors and lawyers who parse every sentence to try and make people think what they want them to. Edited April 4, 2011 by Scotty Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
GWiz Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 This sort of smirking, disrespectful answer isn't likely to endear you or your party to anyone. Telling us to read your umpteen page red book is not an answer. Everyone knows those things are written by spin doctors and lawyers who parse every sentence to try and make people think what they want them to. I didn't tell you to do anything... I just gave you a choice... Too complicated for you? Isn't that what elections are all about? (psssst, FYI the link isn't the red book, it's the Liberal policies that were developed by grass roots Liberals long before an election was called and still stands.) Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
charter.rights Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 (edited) This sort of smirking, disrespectful answer isn't likely to endear you or your party to anyone. Telling us to read your umpteen page red book is not an answer. Everyone knows those things are written by spin doctors and lawyers who parse every sentence to try and make people think what they want them to. What is disrespectful is criticizing a list of policies YOU haven't read. Go back and read the entire proposal and THEN come back for discussion. Arguing YOUR myths just isn't worth it to anyone. Edited April 4, 2011 by charter.rights Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
Scotty Posted April 4, 2011 Author Report Posted April 4, 2011 What is disrespectful is criticizing a list of policies YOU haven't read. Go back and read the entire proposal and THEN come back for discussion. Arguing YOUR myths just isn't worth it to anyone. Really? Cause it seems to me that with your party being 14 points down what you people who support the Liberal Party are doing here is trying to advance a cause, and you're doing a piss-poor job of it. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
RNG Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 Both the Libs and the Reds are sure trying to buy votes. But from the newspapers and this here interwebz thingy, I haven't seen squat about how they figure to pay for it. Quote The government can't give anything to anyone without having first taken it from someone else.
Moonbox Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 (edited) What is disrespectful is criticizing a list of policies YOU haven't read. Go back and read the entire proposal and THEN come back for discussion. Arguing YOUR myths just isn't worth it to anyone. Coming from you that criticism is absolutely hilarious (see my signature lololol). As for the Red Book, what are we actually discussing here? Neither you nor GWiz have actually discussed anything about the platform itself, instead spouting your usual diarhea writing about nothing and instead criticizing posters like you usually do. It speaks well of your ability to present a proper argument. Did YOU read it? They certainly didn't say anything to refute my or Scotty's original post.... Edited April 4, 2011 by Moonbox Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
scouterjim Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 In his column in the Globe today John Ibbitson, reading over Ignateiff's version of the big red book, says Ignatieff is trying to take us back into the Trudeau days of big social spending, taxing corporations and the well-heeled, and continuing deficits. He says the Liberals have now changed their story on replacing the F-18s. That's news to me. They were always in favour of a replacement, but wanted a bidding process first. Now, Ibittson says they've abandoned any plans to replace the F-18s at all. Also, they have abandoned plans to get rid of the deficit, but are only saying they will reduce it. John Ibbitson Would any Liberal supporter like to comment on the veracity of Ibbitson's statements? Then there's John Ivison, whose skepticism is pretty much along the same lines. Lots of social spending, permanent program social spending, but little attention paid to financial matters. Liberal Platform is Buyer Beware "Trudeau days?" No thanks. I'm in the west, and I don't need have another PM give me the finger. Quote I have captured the rare duct taped platypus.
charter.rights Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 "Trudeau days?" No thanks. I'm in the west, and I don't need have another PM give me the finger. I would rather have a finger pointed at me than Harper asking me to turn around and bend over. Funny that Conservative supporters are out there, on their knees and they believe Harper when he says right out of the Blue Book: "I'm from the government and I'm here to help you...." "The in and out cheque is in the mail....." and "If you let me....in your.....I'll still respect you in the morning..." Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
charter.rights Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 (edited) Really? Cause it seems to me that with your party being 14 points down what you people who support the Liberal Party are doing here is trying to advance a cause, and you're doing a piss-poor job of it. No one is interested in trying to convince a Conservative that the world isn't flat. Rather the Liberal platform is aimed at convincing all the round-earthers that the red ship is a much smoother ride than that pumpkin head they have been riding for the last number of years... Edited April 4, 2011 by charter.rights Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
GWiz Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 Coming from you that criticism is absolutely hilarious (see my signature lololol). As for the Red Book, what are we actually discussing here? Neither you nor GWiz have actually discussed anything about the platform itself, instead spouting your usual diarhea writing about nothing and instead criticizing posters like you usually do. It speaks well of your ability to present a proper argument. Did YOU read it? They certainly didn't say anything to refute my or Scotty's original post.... If you can read, read, all the answers you want are right here > http://www.liberal.ca/platform/the-economy/fiscal-policy/ I gol-dang double down dare you to look at what the Liberal policies actually are instead of having someone else tell you how to think and act... How's about YOU read my sig line? Ooops, sorry, my bad, YOU can't... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
Moonbox Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 (edited) If you can read, read, all the answers you want are right here > http://www.liberal.ca/platform/the-economy/fiscal-policy/ I gol-dang double down dare you to look at what the Liberal policies actually are instead of having someone else tell you how to think and act... How's about YOU read my sig line? Ooops, sorry, my bad, YOU can't... I read it. When you link something, however, you generally follow up with your interpretation of the link and why you think it's relevant. This is a discussion board, not a back-and-forth link duel. If you're not going to post anything worthwhile about the link, don't bother. What is it about that link that you think is relevant to the discussion and the OP? You're putting forward a pretty strong case for that being NOTHING. It seems your discussion skills don't really extend any further than being able to type in a web address and copy+paste it to the forum. Pretty funny stuff. Edited April 4, 2011 by Moonbox Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Smallc Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 And they say harper likes to muzzle MPs. Where oh where is liberal MP McCallum to weigh in on this? I would love to hear what a former RBC brass has to say about this. I guess manley got out while the getting was good! No kidding. John McCallum doesn't belong at that party with Ignatieff at the helm. Quote
Bryan Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 No kidding. John McCallum doesn't belong at that party with Ignatieff at the helm. I'm not sure what McCallum brings to the table in terms of work ethic and devotion to the LPC. He may well be considered an asset to the party. But he should never do PR work for the party. When he speaks, he only reminds people like me who used to vote Liberal why we moved our positions to the right. Quote
Tilter Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 And they say harper likes to muzzle MPs. Where oh where is liberal MP McCallum to weigh in on this? I would love to hear what a former RBC brass has to say about this. I guess manley got out while the getting was good! In rehab?????????? Quote
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