Jack Weber Posted April 1, 2011 Report Posted April 1, 2011 Saipan, you've gotta be kidding me. Does it really come down to "I know you are but what am I?" We already have one DogonPorch here. Mr. No Facts/Non Sequitur to the rescue!!!! Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Rick V Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 Good try! Harper and his government is the first to be charged with contempt and some think that he will try to prorogue again. I'm not sure on that, I think he'll have to put something in the budget to make Canadians angry when the opposition brings him down. Maybe were you live Canadians are happy, but were I live in Ontario, there are too many people not working, going to the food banks, losing their homes, their families. Tell me, what is the agenda of the left wing? Maybe you should look at the Provincial Party for the problems in Ontario. Not sure if the Liberals are helping you out. The NDP put Ontario in a shambles. The PC balanced the budget by making tough decision that had to be made. Example: Nursing for one thing is the same across the Canadian lands. How many nurses do you see standing around. I realize they are there for a purpose and are important but why do we need to pay nurse OT on a twelve hour shift when we can hire more nurse have them do 8 hour shifts get rid of the OT. I know people that are on welfare in Alberta that could easily work but do not put the effort that is required. Why do we as tax payers have to pay someones cigarettes or alcohol while they are on welfare? Does this seem fair to you ? That is just a couple of examples of why the PC had to make deep cuts in Ontario. And why they brought the balanced budget. Now how is McGuinty doing nowadays ? I will leave it here and hope to hear back from you on more of your views. Quote
ToadBrother Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 (edited) Maybe you should look at the Provincial Party for the problems in Ontario. Not sure if the Liberals are helping you out. The NDP put Ontario in a shambles. The PC balanced the budget by making tough decision that had to be made. Example: Nursing for one thing is the same across the Canadian lands. How many nurses do you see standing around. I realize they are there for a purpose and are important but why do we need to pay nurse OT on a twelve hour shift when we can hire more nurse have them do 8 hour shifts get rid of the OT. Yes, of course, we have this magical supply of nurses just waiting to rush in! I know people that are on welfare in Alberta that could easily work but do not put the effort that is required. Why do we as tax payers have to pay someones cigarettes or alcohol while they are on welfare? I'll take hasty generalizations for $100, Alex. Does this seem fair to you ? That is just a couple of examples of why the PC had to make deep cuts in Ontario. And why they brought the balanced budget. Now how is McGuinty doing nowadays ? I will leave it here and hope to hear back from you on more of your views. Harris may have cut the budget in your fine province, but he demonstrated other forms of bad management. Edited April 5, 2011 by ToadBrother Quote
Jack Weber Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 Yes, of course, we have this magical supply of nurses just waiting to rush in! I'll take hasty generalizations for $100, Alex. Harris may have cut the budget in your fine province, but he demonstrated other forms of bad management. Teah.. Like running up apublic debt larger than the previous NDP and Liberal gov'ts combined... And leaving a hidden deficit they claimed to get rid of... Nevermind all the other stuff... Oh look!..."Wine Tasting" Tim Hudak is coming to save all Ontarians!!! Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Murray B. Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 A draft report says the Harper government is in contempt... Yes, a very partisan report did claim this and a major factor was the rising price of fighter jets. It is hard to see how Harper's Government is responsible for the rising price of the F-35. All partners in the Joint Strike Fighter program are experiencing the same cost overruns. Only in Canada could we have our Goverment taking the blame for the actions of a U.S. contractor. This is something I will keep in mind when I vote. Quote
Shakeyhands Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 I know people that are on welfare in Alberta.... 'nuff said. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
ToadBrother Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 Yes, a very partisan report did claim this and a major factor was the rising price of fighter jets. It is hard to see how Harper's Government is responsible for the rising price of the F-35. All partners in the Joint Strike Fighter program are experiencing the same cost overruns. Only in Canada could we have our Goverment taking the blame for the actions of a U.S. contractor. This is something I will keep in mind when I vote. That was only part of it. There was also all those documents from the crime initiative that the Tories claimed were cabinet confidences. Do you believe the Government has a right to deprivet Parliament of any document that Parliament so decides to see? Quote
Jack Weber Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 That was only part of it. There was also all those documents from the crime initiative that the Tories claimed were cabinet confidences. Do you believe the Government has a right to deprivet Parliament of any document that Parliament so decides to see? Was'nt the issue with the fighters the fact that there was a "Non-Compete" bid and that the government never made an effort to find a lower cost supplier??? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
ToadBrother Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 Was'nt the issue with the fighters the fact that there was a "Non-Compete" bid and that the government never made an effort to find a lower cost supplier??? There were no lack of issues, but at the end of the day our constitution does not recognize Executive privilege. Parliament's supremacy over Government is absolute and without limit, and anybody that argues the opposite is either ignorant or a liar. Quote
Jack Weber Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 (edited) There were no lack of issues, but at the end of the day our constitution does not recognize Executive privilege. Parliament's supremacy over Government is absolute and without limit, and anybody that argues the opposite is either ignorant or a liar. I'm not arguing the supremacy of parliament... I was asking about the nuts and bolts of the financial issues surrounding the potential purchase of these planes... We found out that the gov't was only dealing with one supplier and they refused to give the financial information demanded by parliament.In other words,the government would not hand over information that wouls hed a little light on their contract biding process... Edited April 5, 2011 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Rick V Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 'nuff said. Welfare is everywhere and I do not oppose it. I think it should be cleaned up across Canada. Very hard thing to do. I mentioned Alberta because I live here so not sure why you said enough said. I do know people that have moved from Ontario to Alberta that are hard workers along with some that come for the welfare so really not an issue on where we live, it happens everywhere Quote
ToadBrother Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 Welfare is everywhere and I do not oppose it. I think it should be cleaned up across Canada. Very hard thing to do. I mentioned Alberta because I live here so not sure why you said enough said. I do know people that have moved from Ontario to Alberta that are hard workers along with some that come for the welfare so really not an issue on where we live, it happens everywhere Let me get this straight, people are moving from Ontario to Alberta for welfare? Quote
Rick V Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 Yes, of course, we have this magical supply of nurses just waiting to rush in! You say there is a long line at the unemployment line so there might be some candidates. I'll take hasty generalizations for $100, Alex. Why is this hasty, I am giving an example, kind of like the polls that we read about the PC losing ground with no mention of the Liberals actually losing more than the PC. Harris may have cut the budget in your fine province, but he demonstrated other forms of bad management. Harris was never a Premier in Alberta he was in Ontario coming in after the NDP circus. Seems like if a government cant clean up someone else mess in less time than it really takes we should vote in a different regime and take two steps backwards. With the Liberals in Power where will the equalization payments come for the have not provinces that Ontario has joined. Probably corporate taxes which will get passed down to the consumer in the end. There is no way to keep everyone happy thats for sure but I have seen with my eyes what the liberals have donefederally and what the PC have done and in my eyes the PC are on the right track. Quote
Rick V Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 Let me get this straight, people are moving from Ontario to Alberta for welfare? They come for the jobs cant seem to work and end up there what can I say. Some easterns do just fine others do not. Being an Albertan I dont mind paying their way. As I stated it happens everywhere in Canada and always will. From far and wide Oh Canada we stand on guard for the. What can a person do. Quote
Scotty Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 Teah.. Like running up apublic debt larger than the previous NDP and Liberal gov'ts combined... As one guy I met the other day said "He cut my taxes by 30%. I liked him!" Harris balanced the budget, which is more than the previous governments could do. And yes, Eves let things go slack in his one year there, but then in came Dalton McGuinty, and taught Ontario that it really had no clue what big deficits were before. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Chippewa Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 Let me get this straight, people are moving from Ontario to Alberta for welfare? Yep.. its a race called the welly 500 Quote Canada-- Just A Hotbed For Laundering First Nations Land and Resources
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