jbg Posted April 11, 2011 Report Posted April 11, 2011 Anything has to be better than the Con-Lib Coalition we have had for the last 2 years. Better than the Lib-NDP-Bloc "idiot coalition" (apologies to Carolyn Parrish). Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
punked Posted April 11, 2011 Author Report Posted April 11, 2011 Better than the Lib-NDP-Bloc "idiot coalition" (apologies to Carolyn Parrish). Nope the Con-Lib Coalition we have had for the last two years was the worst of the worse. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted April 11, 2011 Report Posted April 11, 2011 (edited) In all serious though, a Conservative - NDP marriage just may work. I agree....the NDP and Conservatives seem to share a common concern with Seniors. To some extent, that also extends to families. There may be some common ground on CCP and GIS to a lesser degree. The NDP have to stay away from Unions and the Poverty industry. Affordable housing....and intruding in Provincial juristictions with pharmacare and childcare are non-starters. So....if the NDP doesn't overplay it's hand, they may be able to have a positive influence in supporting a minority Conservative government. If the Liberals end up with their current "rump" status of 70-75 seats, then they can effectively be marginalized with the NDP getting a lot of visibility. The way things are evolving, the Conservatives may be the Natural Governing Minority Party and it's just a willingness of another party to step up, acknowledge the changing landscape, and participate in Parliament. This may be a great chance for the NDP to re-make itself from a Left wing party to one that is more pragmatic - closer to the center. It won't happen overnight but the way things are going, they'll have a lot of time to turn the ship around. Edited April 11, 2011 by Keepitsimple Quote Back to Basics
ToadBrother Posted April 11, 2011 Report Posted April 11, 2011 I think there may be some truth to that. One is running the UK as we speak. Mind you, the new budget is creating all kinds of drama in the coalition. Quote
ToadBrother Posted April 11, 2011 Report Posted April 11, 2011 I agree....the NDP and Conservatives seem to share a common concern with Seniors. To some extent, that also extends to families. There may be some common ground on CCP and GIS to a lesser degree. The NDP have to stay away from Unions and the Poverty industry. Affordable housing....and intruding in Provincial juristictions with pharmacare and childcare are non-starters. So....if the NDP doesn't overplay it's hand, they may be able to have a positive influence in supporting a minority Conservative government. If the Liberals end up with their current "rump" status of 70-75 seats, then they can effectively be marginalized with the NDP getting a lot of visibility. The way things are evolving, the Conservatives may be the Natural Governing Minority Party and it's just a willingness of another party to step up, acknowledge the changing landscape, and participate in Parliament. This may be a great chance for the NDP to re-make itself from a Left wing party to one that is more pragmatic - closer to the center. It won't happen overnight but the way things are going, they'll have a lot of time to turn the ship around. The only way the Tories will be the government at the end of May is either to absolutely capitulate to the Opposition or to find a partner. Since Iggy is effectively playing the role of the interloping aggressor bent on seizing power, and the Tories couldn't dream of any kind of formal agreement with the Bloc after all the stink they kicked up, that only leaves the NDP. Frankly, if I was Harper, I'd do exactly what Cameron did in the UK, make it a formal coalition, let Layton be deputy PM, give the NDP some portfolios they'd like, like say, Human Resources, but keep the important ones, in particular Finance. You'd have to bend on a few things, maybe CPP or something like that, but if Harper were to wave that in front of Layton's nose, no one can tell me he wouldn't jump at it, and Harper would be saved from an inevitable defeat on the Throne Speech or budget. Quote
punked Posted April 11, 2011 Author Report Posted April 11, 2011 The only way the Tories will be the government at the end of May is either to absolutely capitulate to the Opposition or to find a partner. Since Iggy is effectively playing the role of the interloping aggressor bent on seizing power, and the Tories couldn't dream of any kind of formal agreement with the Bloc after all the stink they kicked up, that only leaves the NDP. Frankly, if I was Harper, I'd do exactly what Cameron did in the UK, make it a formal coalition, let Layton be deputy PM, give the NDP some portfolios they'd like, like say, Human Resources, but keep the important ones, in particular Finance. You'd have to bend on a few things, maybe CPP or something like that, but if Harper were to wave that in front of Layton's nose, no one can tell me he wouldn't jump at it, and Harper would be saved from an inevitable defeat on the Throne Speech or budget. Iggy is a wolf in sheeps clothing. He would never govern with the NDP because they would make him keep his red book lies which he never plans on doing. We will have the same Lib-Con or Con-Lib government we always get. Quote
blueblood Posted April 11, 2011 Report Posted April 11, 2011 Iggy is a wolf in sheeps clothing. He would never govern with the NDP because they would make him keep his red book lies which he never plans on doing. We will have the same Lib-Con or Con-Lib government we always get. If there was an ndp tory coalition. The libs would be in serious trouble. Having the ndp govern in a fiscally responsible govt (somewhat) would give the ndp credibility it needs. Harper would be toast at the leadership review. It would be interesting, but a do nothing govt. No tax reductions, no outrageous spending. The stipulations of the coalition agreement would be interesting as well. Any ndp grunt with half a brain would love a situation like that. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
ToadBrother Posted April 11, 2011 Report Posted April 11, 2011 Iggy is a wolf in sheeps clothing. He would never govern with the NDP because they would make him keep his red book lies which he never plans on doing. We will have the same Lib-Con or Con-Lib government we always get. Since we're facing another minority government, everything that's being promised is B.S. anyways. Quote
Harry Posted April 11, 2011 Report Posted April 11, 2011 The only way the Tories will be the government at the end of May is either to absolutely capitulate to the Opposition or to find a partner. Since Iggy is effectively playing the role of the interloping aggressor bent on seizing power, and the Tories couldn't dream of any kind of formal agreement with the Bloc after all the stink they kicked up, that only leaves the NDP. Frankly, if I was Harper, I'd do exactly what Cameron did in the UK, make it a formal coalition, let Layton be deputy PM, give the NDP some portfolios they'd like, like say, Human Resources, but keep the important ones, in particular Finance. You'd have to bend on a few things, maybe CPP or something like that, but if Harper were to wave that in front of Layton's nose, no one can tell me he wouldn't jump at it, and Harper would be saved from an inevitable defeat on the Throne Speech or budget. So Harper better start campaigning in support of a Coalition then. Quote
Bryan Posted April 11, 2011 Report Posted April 11, 2011 I agree....the NDP and Conservatives seem to share a common concern with Seniors. To some extent, that also extends to families. There's a lot of truth to this. The NDP and CPC share a lot of the same concerns, they're just miles apart on what to DO about those concerns. Quote
punked Posted April 11, 2011 Author Report Posted April 11, 2011 There's a lot of truth to this. The NDP and CPC share a lot of the same concerns, they're just miles apart on what to DO about those concerns. I agree they are the true left and right of this country. They aren't brokerage parties like the Liberals who only address issues when they think they can score votes on them. They see a problem and they want to address for the betterment of this country. They just have different ideas of what should be done. BTW I think most of the time the CPC ideas are wrong. Quote
Smallc Posted April 11, 2011 Report Posted April 11, 2011 Actually, I think that the CPC has very much become a brokerage party, in the same style as the Liberals. Quote
Molly Posted April 11, 2011 Report Posted April 11, 2011 Actually, I think that the CPC has very much become a brokerage party, in the same style as the Liberals. (Vaguely similar. Not same.) But wouldn`t be, if it gained majority... which is why it must not gain majority. Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
Harry Posted April 11, 2011 Report Posted April 11, 2011 Nanos C - 41.2%, Up 1.7% L - 30.4%, Down 1.2% N - 15.2%, Up 0.5% B - 7.*%, Down 0.3% G - 4.8%, Down 0.2% http://www.nanosresearch.com/election2011/20110410-BallotE.pdf Quote
Harry Posted April 11, 2011 Report Posted April 11, 2011 Realistically how many seats can the NPD pick up in Quebec? In Quebec, the NDP is No. 2http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/lysiane-gagnon/in-quebec-the-ndp-is-no-2/article1977700/comments/ Quote
blueblood Posted April 11, 2011 Report Posted April 11, 2011 Nanos C - 41.2%, Up 1.7% L - 30.4%, Down 1.2% N - 15.2%, Up 0.5% B - 7.*%, Down 0.3% G - 4.8%, Down 0.2% http://www.nanosresearch.com/election2011/20110410-BallotE.pdf Expect these polls to be in the 38-42 range for the cpc until the debates. After the debate is when the polls will be interesting Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
ToadBrother Posted April 11, 2011 Report Posted April 11, 2011 Expect these polls to be in the 38-42 range for the cpc until the debates. After the debate is when the polls will be interesting Do you think the debates will have that much effect? Quote
jbg Posted April 11, 2011 Report Posted April 11, 2011 Do you think the debates will have that much effect? If anything does the debates will. Not saying the debates will move much but do you really expect an ad or stump speech to move anything? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
ToadBrother Posted April 11, 2011 Report Posted April 11, 2011 If anything does the debates will. Not saying the debates will move much but do you really expect an ad or stump speech to move anything? I think the debates are mainly going to be defensive for Harper now. Not a good thing. Quote
capricorn Posted April 11, 2011 Report Posted April 11, 2011 I think the debates are mainly going to be defensive for Harper now. Not a good thing. An interesting related dynamic will be that if the opposition leaders, especially Ignatieff, they'll have less time to sell themselves as an alternative to Harper. Another aspect is that this is Ignatieff's first debate and it's said he has been prepping for many months. As a result, he'll have to make substantial adjustments to his debate strategy on the spot. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
ToadBrother Posted April 11, 2011 Report Posted April 11, 2011 An interesting related dynamic will be that if the opposition leaders, especially Ignatieff, they'll have less time to sell themselves as an alternative to Harper. Another aspect is that this is Ignatieff's first debate and it's said he has been prepping for many months. As a result, he'll have to make substantial adjustments to his debate strategy on the spot. The plus for Iggy is that he does come from academia and probably has considerably more technical skills as an interlocutor. Obviously academic and political debates are two different creatures, but I imagine he'll hold his own. Quote
capricorn Posted April 11, 2011 Report Posted April 11, 2011 Obviously academic and political debates are two different creatures, but I imagine he'll hold his own. I'll be watching to see if Ignatieff falters when he becomes the target of attacks from the other leaders. Isn't that where the distinction between political and academic debating becomes clear? Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Harry Posted April 11, 2011 Report Posted April 11, 2011 (edited) Harris Decima C - 40%, Up 5% L - 28% No change N - 15% B - 8% G - 8% Tories near majority territory with 12-point lead in new Harris-Decima pollhttp://www.winnipegfreepress.com/special/federal-election/national/tories-near-majority-territory-with-12-point-lead-in-new-harris-decima-poll-119619479.html Edited April 11, 2011 by Harry Quote
PWS Posted April 11, 2011 Report Posted April 11, 2011 A Harper majority means… A higher standard of medicine for the rich and a lower standard for the poor Major tax reductions for the rich Global warming will be completely ignored Defund scientific research Defund the arts (goodbye CBC TV, CBC Radio, NFB, etc.) Hello capital punishment, restrictions on abortion, unrestrained capitalism Quote
blueblood Posted April 11, 2011 Report Posted April 11, 2011 A Harper majority means… A higher standard of medicine for the rich and a lower standard for the poor Major tax reductions for the rich Global warming will be completely ignored Defund scientific research Defund the arts (goodbye CBC TV, CBC Radio, NFB, etc.) Hello capital punishment, restrictions on abortion, unrestrained capitalism Hello tinfoil hat Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
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