maplesyrup Posted June 23, 2004 Report Share Posted June 23, 2004 CH website Have you ever voted for them? 62 candidates are running for them in this election. Christian Heritage Party leader urges supporters to keep fighting ST. THOMAS -- National Christian Heritage Party Leader Ron Gray came to Pinafore Park yesterday, sharing strawberries with supporters and urging them to keep fighting in the final days of the federal election campaign. The one-time journalist is campaigning to increase the 18-year-old party's share of the vote in the June 28 federal election. His St. Thomas appearance, featuring a feed of local berries, was in support of Ken DeVries, the party's candidate in Elgin-Middlesex-London. Christian Heritage, which bills itself as pro-life and pro-family, is running candidates in 62 ridings of Canada's 308, including 31 in Ontario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAC Posted June 23, 2004 Report Share Posted June 23, 2004 Have you ever voted for them? Not yet, but only because we've never managed sufficient support in my riding to establish a meaningful riding association. The CHP is fairly demanding on that score. They are the only party in our spectrum that I have long term hope that they will limit corruption in their party. They are also the only party that I expect in the long term will keep working to establish freedom and tolerance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted June 23, 2004 Report Share Posted June 23, 2004 The Communist Party (Marxist-Leninist) has 76 candidates running. Or is that the Marxist-Leninist Party (Communist)? Their web site is here. In 2000, the party received 8204 votes out of 12,857,773. (The Marijuana Party got 66,258. The CHP doesn't seem to have run.) These parties have every right to campaign and run. In 2004, I bet the Marijuana Party comes sixth (if "non-valid" doesn't count as a party). I would prefer a ballot with the explicit choice "None of the above" instead of the option of simply crossing out the whole ballot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noelandmero Posted June 24, 2004 Report Share Posted June 24, 2004 Canada could always put the write in vote in it is an option on US ballots. I have voted for arnie twice in california and he only ran once but before he ran both my choices were so appauling I worte down arnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAC Posted June 24, 2004 Report Share Posted June 24, 2004 The CHP doesn't seem to have run The CHP ran in the last election, but through some reorganization, and people moving to the Alliance to try for a big push (Stockwell Day made it more attractive to Christians, at least in terms of his personal beliefs) they did not have enough candidates to get official party status. I would prefer a ballot with the explicit choice "None of the above" instead of the option of simply crossing out the whole ballot. That's among my 3 highly desired constitutional amendments, to put "none of the above" at the bottom of every ballot - & to provide that if "none of the above" gets the most votes, no candidate is elected and an immediate byelection is automatically called with the defeated candidates barred from running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted June 24, 2004 Report Share Posted June 24, 2004 The CHP ran in the last election There was no mention of the CHP in 2000 official results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAC Posted June 25, 2004 Report Share Posted June 25, 2004 There was no mention of the CHP in 2000 official results. I understand that, and I wasn't trying to be critical. In fact I even noticed your original qualifier, when you said, the CHP did not appear to run. Elections Canada treats parties which do not nominate 50 candidates as a bunch of independents, so they don't appear as such in the official results. It wasn't that the CHP didn't run, but that they weren't "official". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Blair Posted June 26, 2004 Report Share Posted June 26, 2004 Okay, first let me say that I find the Christian Heritage Party a bad idea. That's being extremely censorous of myself. I find them so repulsive that I'd have to make up words to accurately describe my feelings. Still self-censoring, but I think that gets it across. So what? They are Canadians and they deserve a voice. I have no doubt that if I created a party of Atheist Evolutionists With Odd Ideas they'd be as repulsed as I am at them. Or maybe they already are. Again...so what? The point is that everybody deserves a voice. If they aren't allowed a voice how can I yell at them? How can they yell at me? I hate to harp on the proportional representation thing (no I don't, I love to harp on it) and I'm pretty sure that DAC doesn't read Hunter Thompson books while listening to Bruce Cockburn tunes and drinking mass quantities of beer but the Christian Heritage Party does deserve a say in Canada. They took the time to organise a party, they have a viewpoint, and we claim to be a democracy. Let's have a real good go at it, DAC....Proportional representaion isn't just for the left, you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgarrett Posted June 26, 2004 Report Share Posted June 26, 2004 hey, i bet they're not lying through their teeth to get elected! not like some parties i know! proportional representation all the way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAC Posted June 26, 2004 Report Share Posted June 26, 2004 They took the time to organise a party, they have a viewpoint, and we claim to be a democracy. Let's have a real good go at it, DAC....Proportional representaion isn't just for the left, you know. Then let me tell you one thing you can approve about the CHP. Their policy calls for proportional representation. Personally, I might be drawn to a partial proportional system, so we don't throw out one set of problems, just to buy the whole bag of another set, but that's a detail. FWIW, I think you hit the nail on the head on the most important structural principle for a democratic government. Every citizen gets a voice, no matter how much you or I may object to their views. I've been saddened to see how many people would like to deny those with whom they disagree even the right to engage in the political process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Blair Posted June 26, 2004 Report Share Posted June 26, 2004 hey, i bet they're not lying through their teeth to get elected! not like some parties i know! That's actually something I respect about a lot of "right wing" fringe parties. Hell, I have a lot of respect for Pat Buchanan even though I've never agreed with a single word that sprang from his mouth. He actually speaks what he believes (Nixon speech-writing time notwithstanding). There are a lot of people I don't agree with, and I'll argue my point to the death with them. There aren't a lot of people I actually trust though...that I believe that they believe what they are saying, or even care about it enough to realise what they are saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cartman Posted June 28, 2004 Report Share Posted June 28, 2004 Hmmm...I am not sure that a CHP candidate would be any more honest than politicians from other parties. Believe it or not, even religious folks can tell tales or behave improperly. Religion and politics are a bad mix. I cannot think of many examples where the combination has worked well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maplesyrup Posted July 3, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2004 Did anyone hear how the Christian Heritage Party make out this election? I think they ran candidates in 50-65 ridings. I am curious to know in which ridings the CHP garnered the most strength in last Monday's election. One would think that with all the churches in Canada the CHP would be well positioned to take a few seats if they played their cards right in the next election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAC Posted July 4, 2004 Report Share Posted July 4, 2004 Â Did anyone hear how the Christian Heritage Party make out this election? I think they ran candidates in 50-65 ridings.I am curious to know in which ridings the CHP garnered the most strength in last Monday's election. One would think that with all the churches in Canada the CHP would be well positioned to take a few seats if they played their cards right in the next election. CHP ran 62 candidates, I'm pretty sure. I had an email somewhere commenting on results, which indicated that the best result was between 5 & 6% of the local vote. Unless they have changed their policy without my noticing, the CHP is opposed to asking churches to support them. They do not believe that churches should take a direct stance in politics except on the most serious issues. The church's role is to teach their members God's truth and encourage them to live it, and in specifically moral issues, to call the nation to account, not to endorse a political party. Combine that with the fact half the churches and half of those who call themselves Christian in this land would have no sympathy with the CHP's views, and that fact that recent ideas of "separation of church and state" play very well in many of the churches that would sympathize with the CHP views, and it's an uphill battle all the way. But the CHP ios not really interested in being elected by the Christians alone. Its goal is to convince nonChristians as well as Christians that they are trustworthy, and that they would give the best government of any party. To that end they have a full-orbed party policy available on their web site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maplesyrup Posted July 9, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2004 Now that the Conservatives are going to put people like Belinda Stronach in positions of prominence, and try and put the so-cons out of sight, as much as possible, to appear "MODERATE", I would imagine that the Christian Heritage Party is going to get a big boost in the next federal election. (126) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmy Posted July 9, 2004 Report Share Posted July 9, 2004 Considering how many people thought the Conservative party is "scary", I can't believe people are talking seriously about the Christian Heritage party! -kimmy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maplesyrup Posted July 9, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2004 I know one way how the Christian Heritage party can get a boost in the polls: When the polling company asks which party you are going to support all they have to do is add the Christian Heritage Party to the list, just like they did for the Green party as follows: Which party are you going to support in the coming election? Bloc Quebecois Christian Heritage Conservatives Liberals New Democrats I guarantee with a question and response framed like that, the Christian Heritage Party would go up in the polls. In the last election the CH party ran 62 candidates, and I would expect them to run substantially more in the next election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted July 9, 2004 Report Share Posted July 9, 2004 They should change their name to Christian Democrats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alliance Fanatic Posted July 9, 2004 Report Share Posted July 9, 2004 If their was proportional representation that more people would be willing to vote for the Christian Heritage Party. But even here in Alberta they would never garner much support, while Albertan's are traditionalists who prefer a non interventionist role for the government on the economy they would'nt elect a CHP MP. I believe that in Saskatchewan they would garner a little bit of support, especially since that place is really socially conservative, which is part of the reason the NDP lost all of their MP's their in the last election. MS I believe that takeanumber said that anybody opposed to gay marriage is a facist. I think that Jack Layton should step down, he did not deliver on election day. Layton also alienated many of the social conservatives in his party, which is why he lost all of their Saskatchewan MP's. While people in Saskatchewan support social programs, they are traditionalists. It's fairly hard to get the support of hard working farmers and blue collar workers when your screaming that anybody against gay marriage and abortion is a facist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Terrible Sweal Posted July 9, 2004 Report Share Posted July 9, 2004 They are the only party in our spectrum that I have long term hope that they will limit corruption in their party. They are also the only party that I expect in the long term will keep working to establish freedom and tolerance. High hopes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slavik44 Posted July 10, 2004 Report Share Posted July 10, 2004 MS, I don't know how to not be rude here, but I will try. The GP was polled around 4-5% in the polls and that is what they got coem election night, if you want to rag on bad polling, start lookign at the liberal polling numbers compared to results, and stop using the GP as an example. It is also about time you explained yourself. In one post you make similar coments to the ones you make now. then you decide that the greens wills teal a seat from the conservatives and defend it with statements from ipsos reid's president. I have called you out on this before and will continue to do so, untill you atleast acknowledge this discrepency, you liek making wise comments but I want to know why you continue to by pass in acknowledging this, and continue on like you are the know all of polling when you have clearly shown you like of credibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maplesyrup Posted July 12, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2004 What Was That All About? In the end, what was the 2004 election about?Oh, for the major parties it was all about power, of course; but what about the voters? What was in their minds? Mostly fear. Many were afraid Stephen Harper had a "hidden agenda"; the real conservatives in his own party -- the ones he hadn't kicked out for telling the truth -- were equally afraid that he didn't. Either way, the Liberal machine worked hard to feed that fear. And Canadians swallowed the bait and voted from fear. The CHP take on the election. I think the CHP will receive much more support now that the so-cons are going to be relegated to the back burners of the Cons party as the Cons try to appear MODERATE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmy Posted July 12, 2004 Report Share Posted July 12, 2004 What Was That All About?In the end, what was the 2004 election about?Oh, for the major parties it was all about power, of course; but what about the voters? What was in their minds? Mostly fear. Many were afraid Stephen Harper had a "hidden agenda"; the real conservatives in his own party -- the ones he hadn't kicked out for telling the truth -- were equally afraid that he didn't. Either way, the Liberal machine worked hard to feed that fear. And Canadians swallowed the bait and voted from fear. The CHP take on the election. I think the CHP will receive much more support now that the so-cons are going to be relegated to the back burners of the Cons party as the Cons try to appear MODERATE. Of course! Canadians, leery of supporting a party they fear might have a hidden extremist agenda, will flock to support a party they *know* has an extremist agenda. -kimmy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maplesyrup Posted July 12, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2004 We have a variety of opinions in Canada similiar to any other country I'm sure, which is why there is a demand for several parties. The New Democrats represent the left-of-centre vote, the Liberals at least with Martin as leader the centre-right vote, and the Conservatives right-of-centre. The key to winning seems to be the mushy middle which the Liberals usually manage to hold onto. Now as the Conservatives are supposedly moving more to the centre, including dumping some of their so-con ideas, the so-cons will need a political avenue to express their point of view. What better party to do that than the Christian Heritage Party? Likewise as the New Democrats move more to the centre under Jack Layton will a more left wing party emege to their left? It appears thas it is going to get busier and busier in the middle, at least for appearances sake, to get the votes. What happens after the election is a whole different ballgame, and probably the main reason why more and more Canadians are completely tuning out the electoral process. Unfortunately though, not the right wingers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maplesyrup Posted July 12, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2004 Harper may not be the manStephen Harper, it now appears, is going to hang in as leader of the federal Conservatives. And it appears, too, that he is going to take the advice he has received from all quarters, and particularly from Ontarians hoping to be saved from eternal Liberal government: Make the party "centrist" and bring some diehard Progressive Conservatives into the circle of power. From an article in the National Post today. They're probably worried about the so-cons future. Boo! Hoo! But the National Post doesn't have to worry about the so-cons, they have a good future here with the Christian Heritage Party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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