William Ashley Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 (edited) http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/quit+politics/4429935/story.html Looks like another senior Minister plans on leaving. I wonder what he has lined up. - retirement? Edited March 12, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
Mr.Canada Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 (edited) Stockwell Day is a good, honest man who gave 12 years of his life to Federal politics, 14 to Provincial politics, he's done his civic duty and then some. He's 60 years old, he probably wants to spend some time with his family. Edited March 12, 2011 by Mr.Canada Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
no1ninja Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 Stockwell Day is a good, honest man who gave 12 years of his life to Federal politics. He's 60 years old, he probably wants to spend some time with his family. Can't really say anything bad about him... that is usually a good sign for a politician. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 (edited) delete Edited March 12, 2011 by Mr.Canada Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Mr.Canada Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 delete Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
CANADIEN Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 (edited) Stockwell Day is a good, honest man who gave 12 years of his life to Federal politics, 14 to Provincial politics, he's done his civic duty and then some. He's 60 years old, he probably wants to spend some time with his family. The guy who once taught at a school where the curriculum included condemnations of democracy as being against God. The guy who had the poeple of Alberta pay for a settlement in a lawsuit against him for defamatory statements he had made about a lawyer who was merely doing his job and only repaid part of it when confronted. Your type of man. Edited March 12, 2011 by CANADIEN Quote
scribblet Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 The guy who once taught at a school where the curriculum included condemnations of democracy as being against God. The guy who had the poeple of Alberta pay for a settlement in a lawsuit against him for defamatory statements he had made about a lawyer who was merely doing his job and only repaid part of it when confronted. Your type of man. Other than his misstep on that issue he has been a good guy and politician. I don't agree with his religious views either, but he had to mortgage his home to pay that settlement. As far as what he said about the lawyer goes I did agree with him, but he should have been more careful with his wording. The lawyer in question was a school trustee who chose to defend a pedophile, sure it's a democracy and he has that right, but as a parent I would object to a school trustee doing that. Stockwell was just alarmed that someone as a school trustee whom everyone trusts as being dedicated to the protection, development, and nurturing of children, would, for whatever professional reason, risk being involved in a matter inimical to children's best interests. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
no1ninja Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 (edited) Stockwell was just alarmed that someone as a school trustee whom everyone trusts as being dedicated to the protection, development, and nurturing of children, would, for whatever professional reason, risk being involved in a matter inimical to children's best interests. I have a bit of a problem with this. I understand your point and pedophilia is horrid. However, a good lawyer would understand that it is in the best interest of the public (and children) that EVERY defendant receive a proper defense. Regardless how horrid the charge. With these sorts of stances, one can question why someone is defending a Muslim while being a parishioner of certain church. Why does a lawyer represent homosexuals. The law is the law, and it has to be fair to all... even the most heinous amongst us. Without that we are no different than parts of Afghanistan, where the law is applied based on personal convictions. In a case like this I would want the best lawyer representing such an individual. I would also like the punshiment to be extremely severe. This kind of crime is like killing an entire family. Edited March 12, 2011 by no1ninja Quote
CANADIEN Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 Other than his misstep on that issue he has been a good guy and politician. I don't agree with his religious views either, but he had to mortgage his home to pay that settlement. As far as what he said about the lawyer goes I did agree with him, but he should have been more careful with his wording. The lawyer in question was a school trustee who chose to defend a pedophile, sure it's a democracy and he has that right, but as a parent I would object to a school trustee doing that. Stockwell was just alarmed that someone as a school trustee whom everyone trusts as being dedicated to the protection, development, and nurturing of children, would, for whatever professional reason, risk being involved in a matter inimical to children's best interests. It was not a case of not being careful with his words. He clearly accused the man of thinking pedophilia was OK. Quote
waldo Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 Other than his misstep on that issue he has been a good guy and politician. ya, ya... other than being a homophobe and a rabid creationist, hey? The guy who thought the Flinstones was a documentary... the point man for the Harper Government™ hidden (social conservative) agenda ... The Man Who Walks with Dinosaurs - The return of Stockwell Day, who now implies that people with AIDS deserve no sympathy. Your kind of guy, hey scribbler? Quote
Scotty Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 As far as what he said about the lawyer goes I did agree with him, but he should have been more careful with his wording. The lawyer in question was a school trustee who chose to defend a pedophile, sure it's a democracy and he has that right, but as a parent I would object to a school trustee doing that. Stockwell was just alarmed that someone as a school trustee whom everyone trusts as being dedicated to the protection, development, and nurturing of children, would, for whatever professional reason, risk being involved in a matter inimical to children's best interests. I think children's interests lie with a free and open society, not one terrified of child molester to the extent it abrogates its citizens basic human rights. There's no evidence the anti porn people have accomplished anything of value despite their frenzied efforts. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 In a case like this I would want the best lawyer representing such an individual. I would also like the punshiment to be extremely severe. This kind of crime is like killing an entire family. Writing a dirty book is like killing an entire family? Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
scribblet Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 (edited) I think children's interests lie with a free and open society, not one terrified of child molester to the extent it abrogates its citizens basic human rights. There's no evidence the anti porn people have accomplished anything of value despite their frenzied efforts. True, the guy has a right to a defense, but morally as a school trustee IMO the lawyer should've stepped aside. I have the letter and it seems to be the use of the word 'must', but I'm sure it was discussed years ago so there's no point. Day should never have let the lawyer's fees get so out of hand either. Edited March 12, 2011 by scribblet Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
CANADIEN Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 True, the guy has a right to a defense, but morally as a school trustee IMO the lawyer should've stepped aside. I have the letter and it seems to be the use of the word 'must', but I'm sure it was discussed years ago so there's no point. Day should never have let the lawyer's fees get so out of hand either. It is at most a case of judgement, and even then. This is not a case of morality. Quote
Saipan Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 ya, ya... other than being a homophobe and a rabid creationist Beats hoplophobe. Btw, why wasn't Chretien's Catholic belief questioned? Or his frog mouth the SAME way Preston Manning's voice, hair, and even glasses were???? The guy who thought the Flinstones was a documentary... You mean like the Greenpiss Bambi Defenders? The Man Who Walks with Dinosaurs Which Dinosaurs exactly?? How smart are scietists declaring coelacanth extinct for 60 million years only to find it later fresh, sold on a fish market on some island in Indian ocean??? Whatever happen to Mammoth?? Quote
Scotty Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 True, the guy has a right to a defense, but morally as a school trustee IMO the lawyer should've stepped aside. I have the letter and it seems to be the use of the word 'must', but I'm sure it was discussed years ago so there's no point. Day should never have let the lawyer's fees get so out of hand either. Why should he have stepped aside? In what way was his defense of an accused somehow detrimental to or conflicting with his duties as a school board trustee? Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
scribblet Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 Why should he have stepped aside? In what way was his defense of an accused somehow detrimental to or conflicting with his duties as a school board trustee? Perception and IMO a conflict of interest, as a school trustee his loyalty should be to the children and their best interests, that's my opinion. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
CANADIEN Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 Perception and IMO a conflict of interest, as a school trustee his loyalty should be to the children and their best interests, that's my opinion. Not a conflict of interest one bit, no matter how one wants to put it. Quote
Wild Bill Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 ya, ya... other than being a homophobe and a rabid creationist, hey? The guy who thought the Flinstones was a documentary... the point man for the Harper Government™ hidden (social conservative) agenda ... The Man Who Walks with Dinosaurs - The return of Stockwell Day, who now implies that people with AIDS deserve no sympathy. Your kind of guy, hey scribbler? Gee, this is another time I find myself agreeing with Waldo! I should check my med prescriptions to make sure there hasn't been an error! As an old Reformer, I still vividly remember when Day won the party leadership. To my eternal shame, I had voted for him! At that time a lot of us were getting a bit ticked with Manning. He was still the "Founding Father" but he had seemed at times to be a bit manipulative in getting the party membership to vote his way on policy and party direction. Day looked like a fresh face and his campaign team had done a great job in talking him up as having a great resume in provincial politics. The problem was that Day very carefully hid his evangelical beliefs during his campaign and then after he won tried to let those beliefs become party policy! Manning was always very careful to keep religion and politics totally separate within the party. Harper had given a speech at one convention warning the membership that if they tried to merge evangelical positions into the Party it would be the kiss of death, as most Canadians wanted nothing to do with religion in their political parties. So here comes Day, lurking like a snake in the grass during his leadership campaign and almost as soon as he won all the members of his evangelical congregation start acting like THEY controlled the party! It wasn't like they had been smart enough to understand the situation and stage a coup. It was more like they truly believed that the majority of Canadians believed the same as they did! When Day started to do this it really hurt the Party. Here in Ontario new memberships started to plummet. A lot of people across the country failed to renew their memberships. If they had wanted to mix politics and religion they would have joined the Christian Heritage Party! Some of the old guard saw what was happening and tried to talk to Day but he blew them off like some kind of dictator. That's party of why we saw a breakaway movement, where a dozen or so of the most respected founding members of the Reform Party left to sit as independents and eventually with the PCs. It was all because of Day. Eventually Day went down to defeat and Harper took over. The party had learned its lesson - never let someone like Day be leader again! However, Day and his zealot minions still had a bit of power within the party and to be fair, Day could be a good cabinet minister, as long as it was in the right portfolio and he was always firmly kept in check by the party leader. Day was given a respectable position and in return he hung up his cross and put away his robe and sandals. If Day hadn't have won that leadership I'm convinced Manning would have led the Party to government. Day derailed everything by imposing his own religious views onto the party. Worse yet, one of the most basic principles of the Reform Party was populism, where the grassroots membership set policy. Day committed his derailment without ever having put it to a membership vote! That to me was unforgivable! It's all water under the bridge now, of course. Still, you won't see me shedding any tears while watching Day fade off into the sunset. Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
waldo Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 Gee, this is another time I find myself agreeing with Waldo! I should check my med prescriptions to make sure there hasn't been an error! your post was a good read... and yes, I am growing on you! Quote
ToadBrother Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 It's all water under the bridge now, of course. Still, you won't see me shedding any tears while watching Day fade off into the sunset. Don't you mean riding his ski doo off into the sunset? I stopped voting Reform/CA when Day was elected. Even before the full weight of the fact that he was a religious nut came to light, the guy was clearly a few slices short of a loaf. I honestly believe that Manning was close to a breakthrough in Ontario, and he was literally tossed like yesterday's trash because he had had to do what all politicians who want to put forward any part of their agenda must do; compromise. I don't know about you, but a lot of Reformers seemed to have got this strange notion in their head that they could get everything they wanted, that it was Manning who was preventing it. It demonstrates the key flaw in grassroots organizations, there is a severe detachment from reality, and that pretty much describes Stockboy Day in a nutshell; a complete disassociation from reality. Quote
Topaz Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 Could be Harper has run out of people to send to the senate and with 2 senators on their way to jail for at least a year, maybe Day will end up a senator and not really gone. I wonder what McKay will do, stay or leave? Quote
Molly Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 Worse yet, one of the most basic principles of the Reform Party was populism, where the grassroots membership set policy. Day committed his derailment without ever having put it to a membership vote! That to me was unforgivable! We see so much through the same eyes, Bill- all except the part where, even though the utter abandonment of those democratic principles and those principles of honour and decency was unforgiveable, you forgave them! *sigh* Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
Saipan Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 Don't you mean riding his ski doo off into the sunset? http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/840000/images/_844648_scooter300.jpg Quote
William Ashley Posted March 12, 2011 Author Report Posted March 12, 2011 Stockwell Day is a good, honest man who gave 12 years of his life to Federal politics, 14 to Provincial politics, he's done his civic duty and then some. He's 60 years old, he probably wants to spend some time with his family. “After 14 years in provincial government and almost 11 years at the federal level it is time to move on,” Mr. Day said in a statement. Quote I was here.
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