PIK Posted March 8, 2011 Report Posted March 8, 2011 (edited) http://www.ottawasun.com/comment/editorial/2011/03/07/17525041.html Perhaps the professor needs to be reminded that being "leader" of a federal political party is not the same as being on sabbatical from Harvard. Edited March 8, 2011 by PIK Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
waldo Posted March 8, 2011 Report Posted March 8, 2011 http://www.ottawasun.com/comment/editorial/2011/03/07/17525041.htmlPerhaps the professor needs to be reminded that being "leader" of a federal political party is not the same as being on sabbatical from Harvard. already a like thread started... try to keep up, hey? By the by, I understand Stephen Harper has missed almost 50% of the Parliament votes since 2008... as you say, as a "leader" of a federal political party, what sabbatical has Harper been on during that period? Quote
guyser Posted March 8, 2011 Report Posted March 8, 2011 (edited) what sabbatical has Harper been on during that period? The one from truth and transparency. Not to mention accountability and honesty. But he is busy, that piano doesnt play itself. Edited March 8, 2011 by guyser Quote
PIK Posted March 8, 2011 Author Report Posted March 8, 2011 (edited) already a like thread started... try to keep up, hey? By the by, I understand Stephen Harper has missed almost 50% of the Parliament votes since 2008... as you say, as a "leader" of a federal political party, what sabbatical has Harper been on during that period? I guess you did not read the article, but hey your libs are going to vote down the budget without reading it, so why should you, as the article says harper is there over 60% and he is the Prime Minister, which he has alot more on his plate then iggy, so what is iggy's excuse. LMFAO. Edited March 8, 2011 by PIK Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
waldo Posted March 8, 2011 Report Posted March 8, 2011 I guess you did not read the article, but hey your libs are going to vote down the budget without reading it, so why should you, as the article says harper is there over 60% and he is the Prime Minister, which he has alot more on his plate then iggy, so what is iggy's excuse. LMFAO. whaaa! Are you disputing that Harper has missed almost 50% of Parliamentary votes since 2008? Is your response to what type of sabbatical Harper was on during that period... that he had a bigger plate? Look, you're already recognized as head cheerleader... why sully that with mindless parroting of SunMedia FoxNewsNorth editorial? Quote
M.Dancer Posted March 8, 2011 Report Posted March 8, 2011 I think the importance of showing up for votes is being overrated....As long as the whips do their math, having a full house is not needed. Frankly, being in their office and at their desk is far more important than being a superfluous number in a vote, and that is true for both sides of the house. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Jerry J. Fortin Posted March 8, 2011 Report Posted March 8, 2011 I think the importance of showing up for votes is being overrated....As long as the whips do their math, having a full house is not needed. Frankly, being in their office and at their desk is far more important than being a superfluous number in a vote, and that is true for both sides of the house. Sad but true. Reminds me how much I dislike our system. Quote
waldo Posted March 8, 2011 Report Posted March 8, 2011 I think the importance of showing up for votes is being overrated....As long as the whips do their math, having a full house is not needed.Frankly, being in their office and at their desk is far more important than being a superfluous number in a vote, and that is true for both sides of the house. certainly... overrated for partisan gain, as PIK just did... as punked did in the earlier thread. Deputy Liberal leader, Goodale, in response to questioning related to both Harper's and Ignatieff's voting record/number, stated, "that by tradition, the Prime Minister and the Opposition Leader, generally avoid voting on the many private-member's bills". Quote
scouterjim Posted March 8, 2011 Report Posted March 8, 2011 http://www.ottawasun.com/comment/editorial/2011/03/07/17525041.html Perhaps the professor needs to be reminded that being "leader" of a federal political party is not the same as being on sabbatical from Harvard. I think these people, and Mr. Harper, must think they are Senators, not MPs. Quote I have captured the rare duct taped platypus.
M.Dancer Posted March 8, 2011 Report Posted March 8, 2011 Sad but true. Reminds me how much I dislike our system. Why sad? Wouldn't you rather they be working instead of bench warming? The vote is only the end of a long process of research, meetings, negotiations etc etc...more often than not, before the bill comes to a vote, the parties have decided that it will pass or not. The voting (except for money bills and other matters of confidence) is a necessary formality. I mean....if you would rather them doing less important stuff, then by all means, let them sit for eash and every vote Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
madmax Posted March 8, 2011 Report Posted March 8, 2011 http://www.ottawasun.com/comment/editorial/2011/03/07/17525041.html Perhaps the professor needs to be reminded that being "leader" of a federal political party is not the same as being on sabbatical from Harvard. How many more Scandals could be unearthed of Conservative Scamming and unethical practices and fraudulant practices if the Libs were in the house more.... The Conservative Party and their Senate Pals need to count their blessings Quote
Jerry J. Fortin Posted March 8, 2011 Report Posted March 8, 2011 Why sad? Wouldn't you rather they be working instead of bench warming? The vote is only the end of a long process of research, meetings, negotiations etc etc...more often than not, before the bill comes to a vote, the parties have decided that it will pass or not. The voting (except for money bills and other matters of confidence) is a necessary formality. I mean....if you would rather them doing less important stuff, then by all means, let them sit for eash and every vote That is not my beef. My complaint is that they vote the way they are told to by the respective party leaders. In so doing they represent their party not their constituents. Their votes are not held against them, so they are in a very real sense of the word accountable to the party and not the people. Quote
PIK Posted March 8, 2011 Author Report Posted March 8, 2011 How many more Scandals could be unearthed of Conservative Scamming and unethical practices and fraudulant practices if the Libs were in the house more.... The Conservative Party and their Senate Pals need to count their blessings Con scandals are soooo boring compared to what the libs can do and have done. But it is even better when the libs try and make something out of nothing, thinking canadians are stupid. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
madmax Posted March 8, 2011 Report Posted March 8, 2011 Con scandals are soooo boring compared to what the libs can do and have done. But it is even better when the libs try and make something out of nothing, thinking canadians are stupid. Canadians aren't stupid. Cons are looking for a Free Lunch. But Con Scandals aren't BORING! The Bernier Scandal had lots of Appeal. Especially all the Hells Angels ramification and government contracts with those who are "known to police". And who can forget Rahim Jaffer and his actions forcing the Cons to toss his wife over the bow. The NOT scandals NOT so bad, too bad its been Supplemented by the "In and OUT" Scam. Conservatives run so many scandals that it becomes white noise. Unfortuneately the public has to suffer through these clowns and the ones who can't find their way to work. Quote
Topaz Posted March 8, 2011 Report Posted March 8, 2011 Con scandals are soooo boring compared to what the libs can do and have done. But it is even better when the libs try and make something out of nothing, thinking canadians are stupid. What do you consider nothing? Most Candians don't know what is happening in Ottawa because there are too busy working to make ends meet. If they get a chance there's the news at night and after they hear what is happening they get turned off politics. I say to those Canadians, instead of turning off the TV, vote and turn out the seating government! Quote
PIK Posted March 8, 2011 Author Report Posted March 8, 2011 What do you consider nothing? Most Candians don't know what is happening in Ottawa because there are too busy working to make ends meet. If they get a chance there's the news at night and after they hear what is happening they get turned off politics. I say to those Canadians, instead of turning off the TV, vote and turn out the seating government! Exactly TO, people don't care about these little things right now, they are worried about the economy and such, but it seems the libs don't give a hoot about that ,just fake rage over every little thing but nothing about the people. Like harper said in the commons, with all that is going on in the world and at home,every question is about oda,the in and out ,but nothing on the everyday things that real pepole actually care about. And all this about canadians being turned off politics and not voting, is BS ,laziness is the main reason people don't vote. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Bonam Posted March 9, 2011 Report Posted March 9, 2011 Most Candians don't know what is happening in Ottawa because there are too busy working to make ends meet. Absurd statement. Citation please. People don't know what's happening in Ottawa because they don't care, not because they don't have 5 minutes in their day to read a few articles online. I certainly don't know a lot of the trivial BS that goes on in Ottawa, but I have plenty of time to find out if I cared. The days of 16 hour work days are long behind us. Quote
scribblet Posted March 9, 2011 Report Posted March 9, 2011 Most Canadians don't give a fig about the latest brou ha ha in QP or what narrative the media is selling today. I'll bet they don't gather around the water cooler to talk about Bev Oda or the latest mountain out of a molehill. Most every day people are more interested in the economy, jobs, the price of beer and men's wages and probably wish the gov't and the opposition would get on with governing rather than foaming at the mouth over their latest outrage. I'd bet that the average voter is more concerned about his job than whatever letterhead Jason Kenney used. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
PIK Posted March 9, 2011 Author Report Posted March 9, 2011 Most Canadians don't give a fig about the latest brou ha ha in QP or what narrative the media is selling today. I'll bet they don't gather around the water cooler to talk about Bev Oda or the latest mountain out of a molehill. Most every day people are more interested in the economy, jobs, the price of beer and men's wages and probably wish the gov't and the opposition would get on with governing rather than foaming at the mouth over their latest outrage. I'd bet that the average voter is more concerned about his job than whatever letterhead Jason Kenney used. Now the libs are after him for some award he gave out. This libs have become a huge embaressment with this nitpicking.They should be careful what they wish for, because someday maybe ,they will be in power again, and if this nitpicking went on when chretien was in power, it would have shut down parliment to go thru it all, alot of wasted time over stupid little things. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Shakeyhands Posted March 9, 2011 Report Posted March 9, 2011 Now the libs are after him for some award he gave out. This libs have become a huge embaressment with this nitpicking.They should be careful what they wish for, because someday maybe ,they will be in power again, and if this nitpicking went on when chretien was in power, it would have shut down parliment to go thru it all, alot of wasted time over stupid little things. Thats funny... How soon you have forgotten Harper foaming at the mouth at every little thing when he was in Opposition, and his minions here were just as bad. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
PIK Posted March 9, 2011 Author Report Posted March 9, 2011 Thats funny... How soon you have forgotten Harper foaming at the mouth at every little thing when he was in Opposition, and his minions here were just as bad. In all honesty ,I don't think they were as bad as this nitpicking. With all that is going on, this is the best they come up with. But when harper is doing right on the big files I guess all they have is the crumbs fight over. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Molly Posted March 9, 2011 Report Posted March 9, 2011 In all honesty ,I don't think they were as bad as this nitpicking. With all that is going on, this is the best they come up with. But when harper is doing right on the big files I guess all they have is the crumbs fight over. 'Xcuse me? Is not the deficit from Hell "a big file"? Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
Molly Posted March 9, 2011 Report Posted March 9, 2011 (Nitpicker me, though, I figure that long, long term stuff like the supremacy of parliament is a big deal, too.) Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
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