g_bambino Posted March 10, 2011 Report Posted March 10, 2011 I simply got tired of answering you seriously. You never answered at all, actually. Quote
g_bambino Posted March 10, 2011 Report Posted March 10, 2011 END THE POLICE STATE!!! EXERCISE YOUR RIGHTS! BE ENFRANCHISED! Or, go live on the beautiful Douglas Creek Estate, on the banks of the majestic Grand River, near Caledonia, Ontario. No cops. Anywhere. Just pure freedom to do whatever you want, whenever you want.* * Within the arbitrary and constantly changing rules established and disestablished by nobody in particular but enforced by roving gangs of Six Nations "warriors". Quote
Saipan Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 No cops. Anywhere. Just pure freedom to do whatever you want, whenever you want.* Or be done to you Quote
DrGreenthumb Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 Those black hooded guys , picture in the newspaper and all. Oh you mean the agent provocateurs, paid for by Harper's government, further increasing Harper's deficit? The ones who were "allowed" or is it "encouraged" to burn the cop car that was placed there for them and abandoned? THe ones who were paraded in front of the TV cameras to justify the 933 million spent on "security"? The "security" that was 1000's of police in riot gear standing a few feet away from them and just watching? The same "security" that instead of arresting the supposed "lawbreakers" (paid agents of the state)beat and abused innocent citizens for the grand crime of opposing King Harper? Quote
Saipan Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 Oh you mean the agent provocateurs, paid for by Harper's government Harper doesn't pay McGuinty's police. Quote
guyser Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 Oh you mean the agent provocateurs, paid for by Harper's government, further increasing Harper's deficit? The ones who were "allowed" or is it "encouraged" to burn the cop car that was placed there for them and abandoned? Umm no....I mean the black hooded idiots that were holding newspaper and matches. oh sheesh..... Quote
no1ninja Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 (edited) Umm no....I mean the black hooded idiots that were holding newspaper and matches. oh sheesh..... This is exactly what happened... they went after anyone wearing black. Great police work when dealing with a crowd. Were there idiots out there, yup. Sadly, the ones with baton damage are old ladies and men with prosthetic legs. Edited March 11, 2011 by no1ninja Quote
Shakeyhands Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 Harper doesn't pay McGuinty's police. Do you really think, and I want you to be honest here, that Harper would allow anyone to have ulimate control over something he was involved with? I mean, this was HIS party, not McGuintys. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
g_bambino Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 Do you really think, and I want you to be honest here, that Harper would allow anyone to have ulimate control over something he was involved with? I mean, this was HIS party, not McGuintys. Are you suggesting that Harper, along with hosting and conferring with the heads of state and government of some 20 other nations, was silmultaneously and personally orchestrating a coordinated assault on Toronto involving three levels of police, the Armed Forces, organised battalions thereof, planted undercover provocateurs, secret agents, and a cowed provincial government? Quote
GostHacked Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 Are you suggesting that Harper, along with hosting and conferring with the heads of state and government of some 20 other nations, was silmultaneously and personally orchestrating a coordinated assault on Toronto involving three levels of police, the Armed Forces, organised battalions thereof, planted undercover provocateurs, secret agents, and a cowed provincial government? They aren't loved in the other countries where the G20 was hosted either. You can bet on it when the G*.* show up, people will take to the streets in protest. To ignore that fact will do you more harm than good. Quote
no1ninja Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 (edited) Are you suggesting that Harper, along with hosting and conferring with the heads of state and government of some 20 other nations, was silmultaneously and personally orchestrating a coordinated assault on Toronto involving three levels of police, the Armed Forces, organised battalions thereof, planted undercover provocateurs, secret agents, and a cowed provincial government? They were flown in from all other provinces. This was hardly just a Metro Toronto Police effort. This was RCMP. It took years of planning to look this incompetent. Edited March 11, 2011 by no1ninja Quote
Saipan Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 (edited) Do you really think, and I want you to be honest here, that Harper would allow anyone to have ulimate control over something he was involved with? I mean, this was HIS party, not McGuintys. Yes, provincial police is provincial police. One that abandoned people at Caledonia as well. RCMP is federal police. The one Chretien directed to pepper spray sitting demonstrators at APEC without giving them chance to get away. Edited March 11, 2011 by Saipan Quote
no1ninja Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 (edited) Yes, provincial police is <b>provincial</b> police. One that abandoned people at Caledonia as well. RCMP is <b> federal</b> police. The one Chretien directed to pepper spray <b>sitting</b> demonstrators at APEC without giving them chance to get away. I think you are going with the argument that Harper's right foot does not know what his left is doing... its too complicated. Look guys, what happened was a serious thing. People's rights were violated. I think Trudeau is the epitome of Canadian politics, but he should have been charged for the shit his admin pulled. This is not about being bi-partisan for me, I will jump a liberal just as fast for violating my rights. You conservatives need to get your heads out of your asses and realize that what happened at the G20 was a disgrace and it wasn't some little minor thing. Citizens rights were violated. Russia has been more conducive to protests under Putin than what was displayed by our authorities. A SERIOUS wrong was committed, this is not even debatable anymore, its public record now. There should be groveling, apologizing, and resignations. This isn't a joke people, we need to be vigilant with our rights. It's not, okay to watch your neighbour get roughed up by the cops for being outside. Edited March 11, 2011 by no1ninja Quote
Saipan Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 I think you are going with the argument that Harper's right foot does not know what his left is doing... its too complicated. No, it's not complicated. Very simple. Go back to my previous post and READ. Else you'd have to admit Chretien beat Somali teen to death - your "philosophy". You conservatives need to get your heads out of your asses and realize that what happened at the G20 was a disgrace and ...all McGuinty's business. Just like it was Chretien's at APEC. Quote
no1ninja Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 (edited) No, it's not complicated. Very simple. Go back to my previous post and READ. Else you'd have to admit Chretien beat Somali teen to death - your "philosophy". ...all McGuinty's business. Just like it was Chretien's at APEC. Yes. If Chretien was there at the base, while they beat that Somali teen. Then yes, he too would be responsible in my books. This was Harper's show off party to the world. Come see how we beat up on our citizens. Watch us herd our dissenting masses and take away their rights. (It didn't have to happen. I watched this city be peacful through a black out.) Edited March 11, 2011 by no1ninja Quote
Saipan Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 Yes. If Chretien was there at the base, while they beat that Somali teen. Then yes, he too would be responsible in my books. Was McGuinty beating back the protesters? Quote
no1ninja Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 (edited) Was McGuinty beating back the protesters? No... So the finger pointing starts here. If we do it fast enough, its not ones fault (becasue we keep it in transition). Edited March 11, 2011 by no1ninja Quote
Saipan Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 No... So the finger pointing starts here. So where exactly the order of "new" law came from??? Quote
cybercoma Posted March 14, 2011 Report Posted March 14, 2011 what happened at the G20 was a disgrace and it wasn't some little minor thing. Citizens rights were violated. Russia has been more conducive to protests under Putin than what was displayed by our authorities. A SERIOUS wrong was committed, this is not even debatable anymore, its public record now. There should be groveling, apologizing, and resignations. This isn't a joke people, we need to be vigilant with our rights. It's not, okay to watch your neighbour get roughed up by the cops for being outside. Great post. It should be quoted at the top of the forums. Quote
Saipan Posted March 14, 2011 Report Posted March 14, 2011 (edited) There should be groveling, apologizing, and resignations. There should be 5 to 10 years for all who engaged in the mayhem of burning cars and breaking stores. What was the "demonstration" for anyway?? This isn't a joke people, we need to be vigilant with our rights. Who really cared during most peaceful demonstration of Fed Up Rally I and II? Why? Because it was most peaceful. CBC made jokes of it. Well, it's some other joker's turn this time. Edited March 14, 2011 by Saipan Quote
dre Posted March 14, 2011 Report Posted March 14, 2011 Great post. It should be quoted at the top of the forums. The problem isnt the government its the citizens. This generation of Canadians has had life so easy. We are soft, weak, and complacent, and we have never known any real struggle for our way of life. The G20 spectacle was pathetic. Whether or not its a sign of things to come, I dunno. But I do know that if the government starts ramping up this behavior Canadians will accept it with narry a whimper, and half of them will even support it. Its easy to rant about the government but in the end we more or less what we deserve. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Scotty Posted March 14, 2011 Report Posted March 14, 2011 Do you really think, and I want you to be honest here, that Harper would allow anyone to have ulimate control over something he was involved with? I mean, this was HIS party, not McGuintys. And the RCMP were inside the fence. What happened outside the fence was not really the concern of the federal government. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted March 14, 2011 Report Posted March 14, 2011 A SERIOUS wrong was committed, this is not even debatable anymore, its public record now. There should be groveling, apologizing, and resignations. This isn't a joke people, we need to be vigilant with our rights. It's not, okay to watch your neighbour get roughed up by the cops for being outside. I agree, and McGuinty should have held public hearings on it, but declined, for the obvious reason that a lot of the blame might wind up being assigned to him. Still and all, it's clearly the fault of the Toronto police, and so up to the Toronto politicians, or ultimately, the provincial government which oversees all policing in Ontario. It's not up to Harper. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted March 14, 2011 Report Posted March 14, 2011 Why is G20 outrageous and Caledonia is not? They are both outrageous. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
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