punked Posted February 1, 2011 Report Posted February 1, 2011 (edited) I guess what I was saying in a million other threads here, "Liberal, Tory same old story" is true. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/rossi-abandons-dont-worry-be-happy-liberals-to-run-for-ontario-tories/article1890427/ Edited February 1, 2011 by punked Quote
nicky10013 Posted February 1, 2011 Report Posted February 1, 2011 I guess what I was saying in a million other threads here, "Liberal, Tory same old story" is true. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/rossi-abandons-dont-worry-be-happy-liberals-to-run-for-ontario-tories/article1890427/ No it isn't. The guy is an opportunist. He thinks the Tories are going to win, he needs a gig, so he runs for the Tories. Because there are no NDP opportunists. Quote
punked Posted February 1, 2011 Author Report Posted February 1, 2011 (edited) No it isn't. The guy is an opportunist. He thinks the Tories are going to win, he needs a gig, so he runs for the Tories. Because there are no NDP opportunists. I know the former National Director Liberal Party of Canada is an opportunist, and a poor reflection on the choices the Liberals make. This is what the Liberal was saying about him when he left not more then a year ago. On behalf of all Liberals, please accept my most heartfelt thanks for your invaluable service to the Liberal Party of Canada. The enduring strength of the Liberal Party has always been our ability to attract people of the highest calibre and commitment to our banner. Now however Nicky thinks he is terrible. Says something about your leader doesn't it? Or are you flipping and flopping? Edited February 1, 2011 by punked Quote
nicky10013 Posted February 1, 2011 Report Posted February 1, 2011 Now however Nicky thinks he is terrible. Says something about your leader doesn't it? Or are you flipping and flopping? Is this a joke? Is this some kind of cheap joke? Are you really that stunted that you think my words carry as much weight as Ignatieff's? DO you honestly think other people will think that? Use common sense the next time. Besides, I'm still waiting for you to post NDP accomplishments from the other thread. I'll be waiting a while, I think. Quote
punked Posted February 1, 2011 Author Report Posted February 1, 2011 (edited) Is this a joke? Is this some kind of cheap joke? Are you really that stunted that you think my words carry as much weight as Ignatieff's? DO you honestly think other people will think that? Use common sense the next time. Besides, I'm still waiting for you to post NDP accomplishments from the other thread. I'll be waiting a while, I think. So Mr. Ignatieff thinks that Rossi is a good choice? PS I will remember when Ignatieff endorses someone that you don't think it means they are a good candidate in the future. NDP accomplishments? Really OAS, CPP, Healthcare not enough for you? Edited February 1, 2011 by punked Quote
nicky10013 Posted February 1, 2011 Report Posted February 1, 2011 So Mr. Ignatieff thinks that Rossi is a good choice? I have no idea. Let the man speak for himself. Don't put my words into his mouth. NDP accomplishments? Really OAS, CPP, Healthcare not enough for you? Hahahahaha. Apparently the NDP's only accomplishment is plagiarism. Did NDP governments implement those programs? Nope. I guess you missed that lesson in university. Probably too busy protesting tuition increases. Quote
punked Posted February 1, 2011 Author Report Posted February 1, 2011 (edited) I have no idea. Let the man speak for himself. Don't put my words into his mouth. He spoke and said very very kind things about Rossi. Now you tell me that carries no weight and Rossi is a bum. That is fine I will remember that. Maybe the Liberal leader is a poor judge of character? Hahahahaha. Apparently the NDP's only accomplishment is plagiarism. Did NDP governments implement those programs? Nope. I guess you missed that lesson in university. Probably too busy protesting tuition increases. Considering the Liberals had been promising Medicare from 1915 till 1968 I would say it took the NDP to implement those programs because the track record (much like child care) shows they never would. Edited February 1, 2011 by punked Quote
Topaz Posted February 1, 2011 Report Posted February 1, 2011 I bet he knows the benefits and the pensions of being a member of government. Quote
nicky10013 Posted February 1, 2011 Report Posted February 1, 2011 He spoke and said very very kind things about Rossi. Now you tell me that carries no weight and Rossi is a bum. That is fine I will remember that. I am not Michael Ignatieff. I don't say everything Ignatieff does. I don't agree with everything that he does. You're either so partisan that you think it's normal for everyone to tow the party line no matter what, or you're just that stupid. Considering the first qualifies you for the second, I think that answers that. Considering the Liberals had been promising Medicare from 1915 till 1968 I would say it took the NDP to implement those programs because the track record (much like child care) shows they never would. Yet they did. The NDP didn't push anyone anywhere. Pearson would've done it regardless. Quote
punked Posted February 1, 2011 Author Report Posted February 1, 2011 I am not Michael Ignatieff. I don't say everything Ignatieff does. I don't agree with everything that he does. You're either so partisan that you think it's normal for everyone to tow the party line no matter what, or you're just that stupid. Considering the first qualifies you for the second, I think that answers that. No I agree with you the Liberal leader is a poor judge of character. Yet they did. The NDP didn't push anyone anywhere. Pearson would've done it regardless. Yah ok sure. Talk about towing the party line. It only took a generation for the Liberals to go from idea to reality. It took the NDP in Sask 10 years. Sounds like a vote for me. Quote
Smallc Posted February 2, 2011 Report Posted February 2, 2011 (edited) I bet he's unhappy with both the federal and Ontario Liberals. I don't blame him at all. The Ontario Liberals are farther to the left than they should be I think (even though I like McGunity personally), and the federal Liberals are the closest thing to a joke, it's a miracle their support numbers are even as high as they are at current. I also like how NDP members who can't really claim any federal accomplishments for themselves like to claim things that previous governments - usually Liberal governments - have done as their own. It's rather . Edited February 2, 2011 by Smallc Quote
nicky10013 Posted February 2, 2011 Report Posted February 2, 2011 (edited) No I agree with you the Liberal leader is a poor judge of character. Yah ok sure. Talk about towing the party line. It only took a generation for the Liberals to go from idea to reality. It took the NDP in Sask 10 years. Sounds like a vote for me. Canada is quite a bit bigger than Saskatchewan. Furthermore, you're forgetting that the Liberals weren't in power for 1957-1963. If the promises started in 1951, the period from 51-57 would denote 6 years. You also have a second bout of shoddy history. The medicare act was passed in 1966. 3 years. That's 9 years in total. 1 more than your NDP in Saskatchewan, except it encompassed the ENTIRE country. Edited February 2, 2011 by nicky10013 Quote
punked Posted February 2, 2011 Author Report Posted February 2, 2011 I bet he's unhappy with both the federal and Ontario Liberals. I don't blame him at all. The Ontario Liberals are farther to the left than they should be I think (even though I like McGunity personally), and the federal Liberals are the closest thing to a joke, it's a miracle their support numbers are even as high as they are at current. I also like how NDP members who can't really claim any federal accomplishments for themselves like to claim things that previous governments - usually Liberal governments - have done as their own. It's rather . Yah the Liberals sure passed that one in a Minority government on their own Smallc and it only took them 50 years and 6 provinces going at on there own tired of waiting to do it right? This is one of those things where someone is a "leader" because they found a parade and got out in front of it. Great not really the type of PM I want but others might like it that way. By the time the Liberals got to it BC, Sask, Alberta and so on already had Medicare. Even by 1961 10 provinces had Hospital Insurance and Diagnostic Services paid for. Not saying the Liberals didn't play an important role in fact I think in the other thread I said most large programs in Canada every party played their part. I think it is crazy when Liberals Claim a program which was already in most provinces (not run by Liberals) as their success. Quote
Smallc Posted February 2, 2011 Report Posted February 2, 2011 I think it is crazy when Liberals Claim a program which was already in most provinces (not run by Liberals) as their success. When it's a national program, and they played the lead role (i.e. they were the government) then it is their success...even if the NDP helped. Quote
punked Posted February 2, 2011 Author Report Posted February 2, 2011 (edited) Canada is quite a bit bigger than Saskatchewan. Furthermore, you're forgetting that the Liberals weren't in power for 1957-1963. If the promises started in 1951, the period from 51-57 would denote 6 years. You also have a second bout of shoddy history. The medicare act was passed in 1966. 3 years. That's 9 years in total. 1 more than your NDP in Saskatchewan, except it encompassed the ENTIRE country. No the promises started in 1919. William Lyon Mackenzie King promised a national medical insurance plan in 1919 and even though the Liberals many majority governments they never did until someone did in Sask. Go figure. You might want to learn the history of your party before you talk as if you know when the Liberals promised us a national healthcare plan. Like I said it took 50 years and half of Canada already having a program for the Liberals to wake up. http://books.google.ca/books?id=So_A1eJz85EC&pg=PA41&dq=A+proposal+for+a+national+health+insurance+program+was+first+introduced+as+part+of+the+Liberal+Party+platform+of+1919&hl=en&ei=KqVITYyKCIH58Aapo8ncBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=A%20proposal%20for%20a%20national%20health%20insurance%20program%20was%20first%20introduced%20as%20part%20of%20the%20Liberal%20Party%20platform%20of%201919&f=false Edited February 2, 2011 by punked Quote
punked Posted February 2, 2011 Author Report Posted February 2, 2011 When it's a national program, and they played the lead role (i.e. they were the government) then it is their success...even if the NDP helped. See but doesn't that just lead us to a two party system? Even though the NDP were not in power when the system came to being they are the ones who had to fight the Liberals tooth and nail in Sask to get it done. Should they not be recognized for that? Otherwise only those who are in power can retain it. Quote
nicky10013 Posted February 2, 2011 Report Posted February 2, 2011 (edited) Should they not be recognized for that? Otherwise only those who are in power can retain it. No. They shouldn't. They didn't write the policy, they merely voted for it. That's like saying I should be given credit for a friend's thesis because I read it and liked it. Edited February 2, 2011 by nicky10013 Quote
Evening Star Posted February 2, 2011 Report Posted February 2, 2011 The Ontario Liberals are farther to the left than they should be I think (even though I like McGunity personally), Aw, they probably are the most progressive govt the country's seen in a decade or two and still they haven't strayed too far from neoliberal orthodoxy with corporate tax cuts and corporate contracts. You'd prefer an all-around hard-neoliberal consensus? Quote
punked Posted February 2, 2011 Author Report Posted February 2, 2011 No. They shouldn't. They didn't write the policy, they merely voted for it. That's like saying I should be given credit for a friend's thesis because I read it and liked it. You do however get credit if your "friend" takes all the information for their thesis from you and is the on who actually implemented the idea first. Honestly the Liberals played a big role in agreeing to 50-50 cost sharing with the provinces (which by the way Martin cut to 13-87). However it was the provinces modeled off the CCF model actually did the work. Take your Medicare card out and tell me if the Feds gave it to you ok? Quote
Evening Star Posted February 2, 2011 Report Posted February 2, 2011 The Saskatchewan CCF implemented the first medicare system in the country. The Liberals implemented medicare as national policy, yes, with some pressure and support from the NDP. Seems simple enough. All three parties deserve credit for their parts but it does make sense to give the primary credit for the national policy to the government that actually had to implement it. Quote
punked Posted February 2, 2011 Author Report Posted February 2, 2011 The Saskatchewan CCF implemented the first medicare system in the country. The Liberals implemented medicare as national policy, yes, with some pressure and support from the NDP. Seems simple enough. All three parties deserve credit for their parts but it does make sense to give the primary credit for the national policy to the government that actually had to implement it. But that is the problem by the time the Liberals got around to it most provinces already had Medicare. If everyone in the country stops driving a car on their own it is pretty easy to pass a law out lawing cars. Like I said they deserve credit for what they did (even though in the 90s they destroyed it) however saying they did it disingenuous. The provinces did with Sask leading the way the Liberals got Ontario and Quebec off of insurance companies band wagon by saying we will chip in 50%. Which was a big thing but that is what it was. Quote
Smallc Posted February 2, 2011 Report Posted February 2, 2011 Aw, they probably are the most progressive govt the country's seen in a decade or two and still they haven't strayed too far from neoliberal orthodoxy with corporate tax cuts and corporate contracts. You'd prefer an all-around hard-neoliberal consensus? Well, it seems that they had to be draged kicking and screaming into some of those things...but, I didn't say the Ontario PCs were a better alternative. Quote
Saipan Posted February 2, 2011 Report Posted February 2, 2011 No it isn't. The guy is an opportunist. Like Belinda Stronach or Scott Brison? there are no NDP opportunists. Even NDP leader like Bob Rae. Quote
madmax Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 No it isn't. The guy is an opportunist. He thinks the Tories are going to win, he needs a gig, so he runs for the Tories. Because there are no NDP opportunists. He certainly has a credibility issue. Quote
madmax Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 Apparently the NDP's only accomplishment is plagiarism. Did NDP governments implement those programs? Maybe you think Tommy Douglas was a Liberal? Quote
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