Death penalty

[Oleg Bach]

Now you only need the evidence.

They only want to save innocent victims.

And tons of money of those innocent victim's taxes.

A killer is a killer is a killer...we don't need more things done in our world our of sheer spite..we have enough spite...I think it's funny that those in pro of execution are jerks that will say " I would gladly pull the switch on the bastard" - I bet nickles to donuts that those pro execution types are cowardly when it comes to defending them selves - or fending off an attacker - once they have the bad guy strapped to a gurney or chair and he or she is helpless then the cowards are full of bravado.

[Saipan]

Just because violent crime in the US goes down doesn't mean you take that same approach somewhere else in the world means it would change things.

Because people in the USA are green? Where did they originally came from?

Also the more guns you have out there, I would think the chances of violent crime especially gun related violence would increase.

WHY that isn't so in real life? Every household in Switzerland has military "assault" rifle, besides their own firearms. Because shooting competition is a national sport there.

In cop shop everyone is armed, like in military. Yet they don't shoot each other

Crime has gone down in Canada over that same period with stricter gun laws..

You failed to show evidence. So I can easy prove you wrong. Juat the opposite happened.

Rape to beging with is more common in gun rich America.

So are people from Caribbean and Mexico.

Canada's gun laws are not severe, they are there to allow people who need guns and can be trusted with them to get them. Taking a gun test and not having people say you might try to kill them is all that is really required.

You never tried to get licence for handgun (or any gun), that's why you don't know.

I think if there was no cost involved many people wouldn't care about IQ testing and actually learning about their gun before they can shoot it on their own.

What kind of IQ test you had to get a driver's licence?

Edited January 31, 2011 by Saipan

[guyser]

WHY that isn't so in real life? Every household in Switzerland has military "assault" rifle,

False

Need to get a licence in Switzerland to obtain a carry permit and transporting of guns too...is similar to....oh my... Canada.

[Saipan]

What that has to do with "Every household in Switzerland has military "assault" rifle"?

[PIK]

False

Need to get a licence in Switzerland to obtain a carry permit and transporting of guns too...is similar to....oh my... Canada.

The soldiers I thought took thier weapons home with them?

[guyser]

What that has to do with "Every household in Switzerland has military "assault" rifle"?

You mean the "false" part of my post?

English, try it sometime.

By the way, you're still wrong

[Guest American Woman]

The soldiers I thought took thier weapons home with them?

They can if they choose to. There's going to be a vote in February to try to change that.

A 70-strong coalition from civil society - backed by the centre-left Social Democrats and the Greens - last year handed in the necessary number of signatures for an initiative which seeks to set up a national arms register and ban army-issue firearms from private households. link

The vote is set for February 13.

[Saipan]

No, the part of my post: "Every household in Switzerland has military "assault" rifle"?

[Esq]

I thought I'd add a chastity belt would be more of a deterent than a conceiled carry as to prevent rape.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chastity_belt

also see

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-rape_device

Edited January 31, 2011 by Esq

[Saipan]

I thought I'd add a chastity belt would be more of a deterent than a conceiled carry as to prevent rape.

Yes, and home invasion would be prevented by steel door and more locks.

Mugging could be prevented by not going out after dark or "being in the wrong place at wrong time".

Perhaps living in a solid bunker.

[guyser]

No, the part of my post: "Every household in Switzerland has military "assault" rifle"?

Still false.

[Saipan]

And not only Switzerland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_Czech_Republic

[guyser]

And not only Switzerland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_Czech_Republic

Uh oh, SSoS is still wrong.

Just as suspected, neither in Czech Rep.

Why do you say things that are obviously false?

(of course you are free to show a link whereby Swiss have assault rifles in every house)

[Bob]

Make no mistake, it's a dodge and an inelegant one to boot. Now maybe your single source Hare brings something, but you don't. All you can say is 'read this book' as a rebuttal. Pffft.

Snakes in Suits

Quote

The work is interlaced with fictional narrative illustrating how the factual content applies to real life situations.

Sounds like the Bible to me, which I am sure you are going to offer up in your next dodge, you know, stone 'em til their dead.

Thank you for making a stupid assumption about a book you haven't read. Moreover, the book becomes much richer when read together with "Without Conscience". "Snakes in Suits" is a non-fiction book which uses an intermittent storyline to illustrate its points. It's quite rich for someone like yourself to attempt to discredit an educational non-fiction that you haven't read, written by the world's foremost authority on psychopathy, simply because you want to disagree with me.

Of course when considering cases, sentences, prison programs and releases, the court never allows psychiatric or psychological reporting at all. Completely unheard of right? I mean in must be against the laws all that medical consultation. Right?

That's not what I said. Either way, it's irrelevant, because psychopathy isn't a condition that alleviates guilt according to the law.

Edited February 1, 2011 by Bob

[Wilber]

No, the part of my post: "Every household in Switzerland has military "assault" rifle"?

Every Swiss male undergoes military training as well as women who volunteer. They are permitted to take their weapons home. Not quite the same thing as "every household in Switzerland has a military assault rifle" and certainly not the same as allowing any donkey to posses one.

Edited February 1, 2011 by Wilber

[Bob]

Anyways, we're getting way too off-topic as a result of obstinate posters who simply want to argue, despite their untenable positions.

Here are the silly arguments we've encountered so far:

1. A claim that Paul Bernardo isn't a psychopath despite the fact that he is.

2. A suggestion that psychopaths can be reformed because the law hopes for the possibility of rehabilitation, despite the fact that psychopaths cannot be repaired.

3. A related absurd suggestion that psychopathy can be treated because of its largely biological origins as a condition, despite the fact that psychopathy cannot be treated successfully.

4. The most absurd suggestion of all, that monsters like Paul Bernardo should be given an opportunity to apply for parole, despite elementary concepts of basic justice and morality.

[Wilber]

In 2005. Firearms homicides in US: Handguns 75%, Rifles 4%, Shotguns 5%, remainder unspecified. Wiki

In 2000. Firearms deaths per 100,000 pop. US 3.97. Canada 0.54. UN

[Saipan]

Gun politics in Switzerland are unique in Europe. The personal weapon of militia is kept at home as part of the military obligations. Switzerland has one of the highest militia gun ownership rates in the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland

The Swiss army has long been a militia trained and structured to rapidly respond against foreign aggression. Swiss males grow up expecting to undergo basic military training, usually at age 20 in the Rekrutenschule (German for "recruit school"), the initial boot camp, after which Swiss men remain part of the "militia" in reserve capacity until age 30 (age 34 for officers). Each such individual is required to keep his army-issued personal weapon (the 5.56x45mm Sig 550 rifle for enlisted personnel and/or the 9mm SIG-Sauer P220 semi-automatic pistol for officers, medical and postal personnel) at home with a specified personal retention quantity of government-issued personal ammunition (50 rounds 5.56 mm / 48 rounds 9mm), which is sealed and inspected regularly to ensure that no unauthorized use takes place.[3] The ammunition are intended for use while traveling to the army barracks in case of invasion.

When their period of service has ended, militiamen have the choice of keeping their personal weapon and other selected items of their equipment. In this case of retention, the rifle is sent to the weapons factory where the fully automatic function is removed; the rifle is then returned to the discharged owner. The rifle is then a semi-automatic or self-loading rifle.

The government sponsors training with rifles and shooting in competitions for interested adolescents, both male and female.

[Saipan]

In 2005. Firearms homicides in US: Handguns 75%, Rifles 4%, Shotguns 5%, remainder unspecified. Wiki

You forgot knives. Crowbars too? Why is it so much higher elesewhere?

World Homicide Rate

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_murder_rate

And how about the high suicide rate in Japan? No firearms allowed there. NON.

[Wilber]

You forgot knives. Crowbars too? Why is it so much higher elesewhere?

World Homicide Rate

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_murder_rate

And how about the high suicide rate in Japan? No firearms allowed there. NON.

Suicide is as much a cultural issue as anything but according to your own link.

Latest homicide rates per 100,000, all causes, Japan 0.5, Canada 1.8, US 5.0. What's your point?

[Wilber]

Gun politics in Switzerland are unique in Europe. The personal weapon of militia is kept at home as part of the military obligations. Switzerland has one of the highest militia gun ownership rates in the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland

The Swiss army has long been a militia trained and structured to rapidly respond against foreign aggression. Swiss males grow up expecting to undergo basic military training, usually at age 20 in the Rekrutenschule (German for "recruit school"), the initial boot camp, after which Swiss men remain part of the "militia" in reserve capacity until age 30 (age 34 for officers). Each such individual is required to keep his army-issued personal weapon (the 5.56x45mm Sig 550 rifle for enlisted personnel and/or the 9mm SIG-Sauer P220 semi-automatic pistol for officers, medical and postal personnel) at home with a specified personal retention quantity of government-issued personal ammunition (50 rounds 5.56 mm / 48 rounds 9mm), which is sealed and inspected regularly to ensure that no unauthorized use takes place.[3] The ammunition are intended for use while traveling to the army barracks in case of invasion.

When their period of service has ended, militiamen have the choice of keeping their personal weapon and other selected items of their equipment. In this case of retention, the rifle is sent to the weapons factory where the fully automatic function is removed; the rifle is then returned to the discharged owner. The rifle is then a semi-automatic or self-loading rifle.

The government sponsors training with rifles and shooting in competitions for interested adolescents, both male and female.

Again, all of these people have been screened and had military training. Not the same as allowing any nitwit to buy the cannon of their choice and take it home. Join the military and then remain in the reserves after you leave. Then there can be a case made for those qualified to keep one of these things at home.

[Saipan]

Latest homicide rates per 100,000, all causes, Japan 0.5, Canada 1.8, US 5.0. What's your point?

I'm glad we settled the firearms issue not having anything to do with homicide.

NOW the suicides. Interesting OPINION you have. But very wrong.

http://www.haciendapub.com/Images/table1.jpg

[Wilber]

I'm glad we settled the firearms issue not having anything to do with homicide.

NOW the suicides. Interesting OPINION you have. But very wrong.

http://www.haciendapub.com/Images/table1.jpg

US homicide rates per 100,000 from firearms are 2 1/2 times that of Canada from all causes. Spent several years working for Japanese companies which included extended periods in Japan. Their suicide rate is very much a result of peer pressure and expectations and most definitely a cultural issue.

[Saipan]

US homicide rates per 100,000 from firearms are 2 1/2 times that of Canada from all causes. Spent several years working for Japanese companies which included extended periods in Japan. Their suicide rate is very much a result of peer pressure and expectations and most definitely a cultural issue.

The ACTUAL Statistics I posted tell the WHOLE story.

[Shwa]

Thank you for making a stupid assumption about a book you haven't read. Moreover, the book becomes much richer when read together with "Without Conscience". "Snakes in Suits" is a non-fiction book which uses an intermittent storyline to illustrate its points. It's quite rich for someone like yourself to attempt to discredit an educational non-fiction that you haven't read, written by the world's foremost authority on psychopathy, simply because you want to disagree with me.

Well either way you are titch daft now aren't you? Can't be bothered to actually make a point, just direct all disagreements to the 'foremost authority' on the subject. Riiight. Until the next "foremost authority" comes along of course.

Lazy and daft. Can't even bother to quote salient points Bob?

I can and even keep it topical:

What's Your Poo Telling You?

Deja Poo

"Haven't I seen that somewhere before?" Most notoriously involving corn, Deja Poo is perhaps the most reknown and befuddling of all poos.

In other words Bob, look behind you, it's the same shit as before. And it's still shit.

That's not what I said. Either way, it's irrelevant, because psychopathy isn't a condition that alleviates guilt according to the law.

No, but it is a condition that is referred to by the Parole Board during their deliberations whether one is rehabilitated or redeemed. Duh.