August1991 Posted January 28, 2011 Author Report Posted January 28, 2011 (edited) That's a completely different subject from 'attack ads', but if you are counting, there's no good reason to stop at 2 (cultures, languages, legal systems, solitudes, worldviews, etc., etc. etc. etc.). The rest of the Canadian realities are not erased by your apparent inability to count, just as History didn't stop just because some dearly wish that it had.The Conservative attack ads directly concern whether Ignatieff is a genuine (English) Canadian. If Quebec is so very different, then it is different by virtue of nurturing an asinine grasp of nature of Canada. I'm neither French nor English.Molly, you may be neither English nor French in culture but you post here in English. You use English to communicate.After all, Canada has two languages. We have no official culture, but we have two official languages. Edited January 28, 2011 by August1991 Quote
nicky10013 Posted January 28, 2011 Report Posted January 28, 2011 The Conservative attack ads directly concern whether Ignatieff is a genuine (English) Canadian. English has absolutely nothing to do with it. They're saying he isn't Canadian at all. Quote
August1991 Posted January 28, 2011 Author Report Posted January 28, 2011 (edited) English has absolutely nothing to do with it. They're saying he isn't Canadian at all.Nicky, you get my point.Ignatieff is a flake. He has all the gravity of an intellectual, but he's not one. People in French Canada don't connect to him, and neither do people in English Canada. Why? He's not Canadian. Most Canadians, English and even French, have weight. But Ignatieff has no weight. He's a flake. ---- Trudeau was no flake. Edited January 28, 2011 by August1991 Quote
Molly Posted January 28, 2011 Report Posted January 28, 2011 (edited) People in French Canada don't connect to him, and neither do people in English Canada. Why? He's not Canadian. That's what you are! You are a BIRTHER! (Hyphenated, of course.) Edited January 28, 2011 by Molly Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
scribblet Posted January 28, 2011 Report Posted January 28, 2011 Nicky, you get my point. Ignatieff is a flake. He has all the gravity of an intellectual, but he's not one. People in French Canada don't connect to him, and neither do people in English Canada. Why? He's not Canadian. I agree people don't connect to him, not necessarily because they view him as 'American' but because he has no inspiring leadership qualities or anything that would attract them to him or liberal policies - if they know what they are. Maybe if Bob Rae did another skinny dip with Mercer, it would negate his socialist contract baggage IMO he actually would be a better leader. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
nicky10013 Posted January 28, 2011 Report Posted January 28, 2011 Nicky, you get my point. Ignatieff is a flake. He has all the gravity of an intellectual, but he's not one. HE actually is. He's published over 20 books if I recall correctly. People in French Canada don't connect to him, and neither do people in English Canada. Why? He's not Canadian. Sure he is. He's just not lunchbox joe Canadian. Why should we be afraid of intelligent people? Oh, that's right, because the CPC bench doesn't have any so we might as well try and stir up anti-intellectualism. Most Canadians, English and even French, have weight. But Ignatieff has no weight. He's a flake. What is this even supposed to mean? Trudeau was no flake. Neither is Ignatieff. Quote
nicky10013 Posted January 28, 2011 Report Posted January 28, 2011 (edited) I agree people don't connect to him, not necessarily because they view him as 'American' but because he has no inspiring leadership qualities or anything that would attract them to him or liberal policies - if they know what they are. Maybe if Bob Rae did another skinny dip with Mercer, it would negate his socialist contract baggage IMO he actually would be a better leader. People don't connect with him because they can't connect with him. He's almost never on TV, he's almost never in the paper. When was the last time you saw him on your local news? I haven't seen him in probably over a year. Could his handlers do a better job? Sure, but that's the life of the opposition leader. You're not the PM and don't get the attention. A good sign is that when he did his bus tour which even the National Post called a success, people overall found him very down to earth and very likeable. Imagine how that translates into a national campaign where he WILL be on TV every day? It's going to be a tough campaign but that's certainly a positive. So, he's still unknown. Compare that to a poll that came out saying only 15% of Canadians pay attention to politics. People are bored with the system, they know the players. Jack, Stephen and Gilles have all been around for mulitple elections so who is the attention going to be on? The new guy. Edited January 28, 2011 by nicky10013 Quote
M.Dancer Posted January 28, 2011 Report Posted January 28, 2011 . When was the last time you saw him on your local news? A few weeks ago meddling in foreign policy. were you talking about Rae? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
nicky10013 Posted January 28, 2011 Report Posted January 28, 2011 http://communities.canada.com/vancouversun/blogs/powerplay/archive/2011/01/28/hitting-michael-ignatieff-way-below-the-belt.aspx "Hitting Ignatieff Way Below the Belt." t is said that all is fair in love, war and politics. But the latest pair of ads say far more about Conservatives than they do about the Grits.in fact, the ads say nothing about Ignatieff because the video used is taken entirely out of context; it's totally dishonest. These latest ads show that Conservatives are willing to do whatever it takes, to stoop to the very depths, to damage the prospects of the Liberal leader. There is no fairness and no integrity whatever to these ads.Arguably they could be damaging to Conservatives, if people believe the Harper crowd has gone too far. http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/20110128/attack-ads-110128/ "Latest round of Tory attack ads spark controversy" The clip is taken entirely out of context from a partisan tub-thumper Ignatieff delivered Tuesday at a Liberal caucus retreat.Addressing the issue of whether Liberals are ready for a possible election this spring, Ignatieff actually said: "There is another question, a deeper question: Are we ready to serve the people who put us here? Are we ready to fight for the Canada we love? Are we ready to fight for the Canadian family? What's the answer to that? "Yes, yes, yes. Oui." Ignatieff also said later in the speech that Liberals are "not seeking to provoke an election." The attack ads were posted on the Tory website and went viral within minutes, provoking heated debate on Twitter. A number of tweeters suggested the ads "jumped the shark," a phrase commonly used to describe a television show that has declined into utter absurdity. One industrious tweeter posted a parody ad asking whether it makes sense to eat babies during times of economic uncertainty, followed by a patently out-of-context clip of Prime Minister Stephen Harper saying: "I'd be happy to do that." Carleton University communications professor Josh Greenberg said the latest Tory ads are "insulting to the intelligence." Political ads are notorious for taking opponents' words out of context but he said he's never seen anything quite so blatant."It's kind of devolving into self-satire because it really is that bad." Greenberg said he suspected the ads were just an excuse for the Tories to use the clip of Ignatieff shouting to be heard over his cheering audience, making him look "slightly out of control or slightly wacky." Quote
Jerry J. Fortin Posted January 28, 2011 Report Posted January 28, 2011 People don't connect with him because they can't connect with him. He's almost never on TV, he's almost never in the paper. When was the last time you saw him on your local news? I haven't seen him in probably over a year. Could his handlers do a better job? Sure, but that's the life of the opposition leader. You're not the PM and don't get the attention. A good sign is that when he did his bus tour which even the National Post called a success, people overall found him very down to earth and very likeable. Imagine how that translates into a national campaign where he WILL be on TV every day? It's going to be a tough campaign but that's certainly a positive. So, he's still unknown. Compare that to a poll that came out saying only 15% of Canadians pay attention to politics. People are bored with the system, they know the players. Jack, Stephen and Gilles have all been around for mulitple elections so who is the attention going to be on? The new guy. I agree. It will be fun to watch how this plays out and if Iggy has the stones for this scrap then he can kick Steve's butt and only time will tell if he does or doesn't. This is his one and only shot at the top job and he knows it, I expect he has the people skills once given sufficient exposure to do something different than what we are used to of late. More than merely a Liberal cookie cutter policy manual. The government must trim expenses and add revenues to support the desired services Canadians have already established. Forget adding services or expenses for at least one complete mandate. Slash and burn the bureaucracy into line with the public sector. Eliminate big dollar patronage appointments, assign MP's to assume top bureaucrat jobs. Make all of government accountable to Parliament by means of democratic reforms. A mandate of change sought out by the smartest group of politicians will find themselves in power with enough means to push our society into the future in a direction as determined by a majority of citizens. Quote
nicky10013 Posted January 28, 2011 Report Posted January 28, 2011 A few weeks ago meddling in foreign policy. were you talking about Rae? No, Ignatieff. Quote
M.Dancer Posted January 28, 2011 Report Posted January 28, 2011 No, Ignatieff. Oh..it that case..yesterday. MONTREAL—Michael Ignatieff was the star attraction Thursday at a lavish Liberal fundraiser hosted by a businessman leading the charge to reopen one of Canada’s last-remaining asbestos mines.The Liberal leader insisted those partisan ties would not affect his position: he has frequently slammed the asbestos industry, repeating that Canada must stop shipping the carcinogenic material abroad. http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/929390--ignatieff-fundraiser-to-be-hosted-by-man-aiming-to-revive-asbestos-industry Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
nicky10013 Posted January 28, 2011 Report Posted January 28, 2011 Oh..it that case..yesterday. http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/929390--ignatieff-fundraiser-to-be-hosted-by-man-aiming-to-revive-asbestos-industry You read this in the paper yesterday? Quote
M.Dancer Posted January 28, 2011 Report Posted January 28, 2011 You read this in the paper yesterday? Subscribe to the Star! Online last night Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
nicky10013 Posted January 28, 2011 Report Posted January 28, 2011 Subscribe to the Star! Online last night Yeah I should've known better. I read through the whole physical paper last night and didn't catch it. Quote
M.Dancer Posted January 28, 2011 Report Posted January 28, 2011 Yeah I should've known better. I read through the whole physical paper last night and didn't catch it. I bet the fashion pages kept you up till the wee hours... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
nicky10013 Posted January 28, 2011 Report Posted January 28, 2011 I bet the fashion pages kept you up till the wee hours... Oh yeah, easily. Quote
Shakeyhands Posted February 4, 2011 Report Posted February 4, 2011 www.ignatieff.me Same old attacks on the person, it's really quite disgusting. Denegrating the debate to base levels is seemingly what the CPC specializes in. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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