bush_cheney2004 Posted January 16, 2011 Report Share Posted January 16, 2011 (edited) ....In any case walmart only sells cheap junk to poor people. That leaves a pretty big sector for higher end shops, specialty stores etc. But eventually it will probably be able to use its clout to dominate that market as well. Yea...how dare those "poor people" not have a taste for the finer things like high quality bacon and toilet paper. Edited January 16, 2011 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Yea...how dare those "poor people" not have a taste for the finer things like high quality bacon and toilet paper. Some people with lots of money just like their 12-ply toilet paper, imported french deodorant, and gold-plated toothbrushes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shwa Posted January 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Yea...how dare those "poor people" not have a taste for the finer things like high quality bacon and toilet paper. And with the Walmart marketing model, you just know the suppliers of the bacon and toilet paper are going to be poor too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Despite my Canadian sentimentalism, Zellers was already dying and Target is a really good store that will add true competition for Walmart here. Blame management then. Zellers could have thrived w the right people in place. Afterall, Target is the same market vs WM so Z could have been much more successful than it were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Afterall, Target is the same market vs WM so Z could have been much more successful than it were. No not really. They are significantly different. Sort of like saying that Old Navy and Abercrombie are the same market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 No not really. They are significantly different. Sort of like saying that Old Navy and Abercrombie are the same market. Zellers was like Old Navy, but their intentions were to be the supplier to the non-walmart crowd. That they missed is the problem, but they were aiming for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 Blame management then. Zellers could have thrived w the right people in place. Afterall, Target is the same market vs WM so Z could have been much more successful than it were. How could Zellers have competed realistically without substantially changing what types of things they sell, and therefore not being a Walmart competitor much at all? Zellers couldn't compete because Walmart had lower prices, along with having bigger stores that therefore offered more selection. Zellers could have increased the size of some of its stores, but what about the prices? Walmart (and Target) have lower prices because they have tons of stores and buy tons of goods from manufacturers in order to get them as such cheap prices. How can Zellers do that on Walmart/Target's scale? They can't, unless they went into the US and or other massive markets. Walmart of course also pays crap wages/benefits with no widespread unions. Not sure what Zellers/Target has re: unions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 No not really. They are significantly different. In what way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 In what way? Quality of merchandise, merchandising, store layout etc etc... Target doesn't position itself as a deep discount store. A little more upscale than either Zellers or Walmart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pliny Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 And with the Walmart marketing model, you just know the suppliers of the bacon and toilet paper are going to be poor too. Yes. they are willing to be slaves to Wal-mart. Working for peanuts. They want to get their product out for all the poor people who shop at Wal-mart rather than sell to Safeway or Superstore for a higher price. Those poor who supply the bacon and toilet paper are indeed stupid, aren't they, Shwa? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 Quality of merchandise, merchandising, store layout etc etc... Target doesn't position itself as a deep discount store. A little more upscale than either Zellers or Walmart. Say what? Store layout was very similar to Walmart in the multiple Target's ive been to. Electronics in the very back, toys down etc. the side of aisles. Homeware stuff in the middle isles. clothing off to the side and circling back towards electronics. Cheap bargain stuff near the front entrance. As for merchandise, things like electronics, medicine, personal hygiene, toys etc. are pretty much exactly the same. There are some differences in merch of course & different brands, and some of the clothing is a bit better quality but they still also sell cheap clothes, ie: i bought some rock n' roll band t-shirts there for $9.99 each. I mean, the differences in merch is not very significant IMO. They aren't selling higher quality stuff like Sears or The Bay sells. Target is a Walmart clone that has some variation on some products/brands in some departments, and in a few select departments may sell slightly higher quality stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 ...I mean, the differences in merch is not very significant IMO. They aren't selling higher quality stuff like Sears or The Bay sells. Target is a Walmart clone that has some variation on some products/brands in some departments, and in a few select departments may sell slightly higher quality stuff. Nope...a retail Target or Super Target box store is definitely not like a WalMart. WalMart is actually investing in fixtures and floor layouts for seasonal merchandise to approximate the Target experience (less density, more aisle space, brighter colors, etc.). Target Corp. has a completely different lineage than WalMart; it came from the higher end Dayton Hudson Corp chain of department stores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 How could Zellers have competed realistically without substantially changing what types of things they sell, and therefore not being a Walmart competitor much at all? The same way Target has in the States. By finding a alightly more upscale niche to serve. Theyve done well with that no? Z's stores were old and hadnt been updated, layout was poor, lighting was poor and they made no attempt to sluff off the shoddy opinion. They tried a bit but not much Zellers couldn't compete because Walmart had lower prices, along with having bigger stores that therefore offered more selection. Zellers could have increased the size of some of its stores, but what about the prices? Target worked it out. Zellers doesnt seem to have tried. Walmart (and Target) have lower prices because they have tons of stores and buy tons of goods from manufacturers in order to get them as such cheap prices. How can Zellers do that on Walmart/Target's scale? They can't, unless they went into the US and or other massive markets. Walmart of course also pays crap wages/benefits with no widespread unions. Not sure what Zellers/Target has re: unions. Zellers had the clout of HBC and its parents ,but seem to have dropped the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shwa Posted January 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 Yes. they are willing to be slaves to Wal-mart. Working for peanuts. They want to get their product out for all the poor people who shop at Wal-mart rather than sell to Safeway or Superstore for a higher price. Those poor who supply the bacon and toilet paper are indeed stupid, aren't they, Shwa? I said 'poor,' not 'stupid.' Don't get those terms mixed up again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 Not sure what Zellers/Target has re: unions. Zellers had the clout of HBC and its parents ,but seem to have dropped the ball. My mother was a Zellers warehouse worker in the 70s and early 80s. They paid well for what they asked for...then they got unionized and the pay raises were no longer based on merit...so ...no one working there will be sending their kids to Oxford... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodyminded Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 (edited) My mother was a Zellers warehouse worker in the 70s and early 80s. They paid well for what they asked for...then they got unionized and the pay raises were no longer based on merit...so ...no one working there will be sending their kids to Oxford... Unlike Walmart, which is anti-union. It pays a fortune to its labour, and all their kids are going to Oxford.... Edited January 19, 2011 by bloodyminded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 My mother was a Zellers warehouse worker in the 70s and early 80s. Christmas morning.,...Zellers and then more Zellers boxes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 Christmas morning.,...Zellers and then more Zellers boxes? Don't you know it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 Don't you know it... Oh I do. My mom worked at Mirsky's , a nice little childrens store in Rexdale and the purple boxes were everywhere until age 16. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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