Harper's newest sometimes friend

[Topaz]

The Tories now are sucking up to the NDP because the Liberals have said that they may bring down the Tories in 2011. So now all the Tory supporters I guess are suppose say nice things about the NDP, even though Harper has said in the past the NDP is associate with the devil. If you've watch QP, Harper has said a lot of nasty things about Layton and the NDP party in the House and I hope Layton doesn't support Harper and let the Tory fall and let Canadian voters decide. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/tories-soften-tone-with-ndp-ahead-of-2011-budget/article1850867/

[Bonam]

The Tories now are sucking up to the NDP because the Liberals have said that they may bring down the Tories in 2011. So now all the Tory supporters I guess are suppose say nice things about the NDP, even though Harper has said in the past the NDP is associate with the devil. If you've watch QP, Harper has said a lot of nasty things about Layton and the NDP party in the House and I hope Layton doesn't support Harper and let the Tory fall and let Canadian voters decide. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/tories-soften-tone-with-ndp-ahead-of-2011-budget/article1850867/

So we can have yet another election which gives us the same conservative minority?

[William Ashley]

So we can have yet another election which gives us the same conservative minority?

No actually it would be much better positioned for power sharing if the tories were to be about equal with the liberals.. there is a 30+ seat change potential in a spring election - and it doesn't look good for the Conservative Party of Canada

The tories are 6% to 8% lower than the last election and they have negative momentum.

The liberals are floating around the same point - up from the last election

The NDP are up from the last election

The bloc is up

Also statistically winters are usually "good" for the opposition.

The tories have done some major gaffs and things like this "undebated privacy breach and foreign policing pact" called the Canada-US security pact (that won't have legal weight in domestic US law until the US senate passes it) (and shouldn't in Canada - but the way the tories have been ignoring rule of law) --- are very major issues.

The budget is also questionable since "there is still this - 4 to 5 years from now we will balance the budget (although I'd like to see the oppositions proposed budget...) the continuous annual 50 billion dollar deficits (the highest in Canada's history....) are just insane for any fiscal conservative to support, and this is with minor targetted tax cuts - while the fiscal future of Canada is becoming untenable with each and every budget that is tabled.. and the navy upgrades alone are tagged at 40 billion. This with airforce upgrades tagged at more than 30 billion.. and then there are increasing pension costs, increasing health care costs, ballooning debt interest repayments... it is a complete mess. Flaherty has gone on record and stated- we will keep stimulus spending, and aim to balance the books in 4 to 5 years... that is a 10 year deficit... pretty much ramping up to 2/3rds of what the former debt was... THAT IS INSANE! this is with increasing program costs.. increasing pension costs... it is insane.

They alienated their own base also. They have lost massive support from the reform movement, and they are loosing ground everywhere.

And you say "it will be the same minority" doesn't look that way to me.

It is a sinking ship, and harper is staying on deck playing for the ship.

Wiser members have jumped ship already. Jay Hill, Jim Prentice, and the list goes on.

Is betting still legal?

Perhaps we should start a friendly pool...

Edited December 28, 2010 by William Ashley

[Saipan]

the Liberals have said that they may bring down the Tories

How many times so far

[Saipan]

It is a sinking ship, and harper is staying on deck playing for the ship.

So why do conservatives keep getting more seats EACH federal election - since Preston Manning early days?

[Jack Weber]

It's the Reform/Socialist coalition!!!!

[Saipan]

Be afwaid. Be weewy afwaid!

[William Ashley]

So why do conservatives keep getting more seats EACH federal election - since Preston Manning early days?

Pitty?

Also its not hard to build up from.. was it two or three?

I'm not sure if voters vote for liers or voters can't recognize lies and liers.

Personally though I don't vote. No one has convinced me to vote for them.

Edited December 30, 2010 by William Ashley

[scribblet]

A friend in need, is a friend indeed LOL booga booga

[Saipan]

Also its not hard to build up from.. was it two or three?

???

I'm not sure if voters vote for liers or voters can't recognize lies and liers.

Who are those silly voters who vote in this country?

Personally though I don't vote. No one has convinced me to vote for them.

Wise man once said that the world is run by those who show up.

[Shwa]

It's the Reform/Socialist coalition!!!!

A sociofascicommuliberanulism coalition! AKA the Green Party.

Smoke dope and plan corporate takeovers of the daycare industry to put all those welfare bums to work all while wearing Che t-shirts, Shining Path berets and the new Nike 'Black Spot' sneakers.

[Shakeyhands]

???

I'll help you out here Saipan. In the '93 election the PC's were reduced to winning only 2 seats, the Reform Party won 52 seats.

[William Ashley]

???

Who are those silly voters who vote in this country?

People who want to, and at times know the people involved in the process, particularly those who have someone to vote for in the race.

Wise man once said that the world is run by those who show up.

Volunteering to be electoral staff, a candidate and/or a voter is a personal choice.

In 2003 I opted to disengage from the political process due to a feeling of abject digust for it, and the direction the government was taking.

In 2006 I opted to see the process from the other side as a simple electoral assistant.

In 2008 I opted to see the process from the other side as a candidate (I could not find an auditor who was allowed to audit my campaign (Although I found a professional accountant, they were only college educated, and not a member of a chartered accountants body. Unfortunately the $1000 I learned was only an initial barrier, the $2000 or more dollars you had to pay an auditor for a non expenses non donations campaign prevented me from being a candidate - even though it violated my constitutional right to stand for office - because of an electoral law that allows for $250 subsidy to pay for an auditor while auditors are all charging $2000 or more to audit. Meaning I would have to pay $2000 for a rubber stamp.

Unfortunately I will not be taking a train at $400 so I can vote in the event of a spring election, since I'm away at school. Although I could see about my options my vote is somewhat disenfranchiced now because I usually stay only up to around 3 months in a given place each year as I move between a couple different points. 3 months at my home, 3 months at school 3 months travelling 3 months elsewhere. I'm not per se transient, but I'm a mobile person. I like to travel. this doesn't mean I don't have a non incentive to become engaged in the process. Nor does it mean I am not active in voicing my opinion.

Blah blah blah, the point being - each election I have had reasons not to vote because I don't support any of the candidates on their positions - hence an unwililngness to vote for someone who goes against my fundamental beleifs - or has in some way failed me before. In the local election where I will be attending school, the two "likely candidates" both have alienated me in the past - although both may have had good reasons, I didn't get what I expected in the circumstances. I have no idea who the other candidates will be and while I have spoken with them, and they arn't bad people, we have some major position differences that I wouldn't be willing to compramise. Good people yes, representative of my positions no.

I'm not voting for someone I don't know. I'm also not going to vote for someone who ignored requests or didn't act to defend my interests at critical points. In weighing options that is where I am at. I communicate with incumbants and occassionally other individuals. If they are incompetent or oppositional to my positions then why the hell should I vote for them in the next election. It is just unfortunate no one is on the same page as me on what matters to me.

This is where a lot of the qualms with Totalitarianism in Canadian society comes from, because it is minorities such as myself that are infringed on for otherwise immoral and inhumane cultural mentalities that don't even recognize their own failings.

Even though I have come from WASPy roots very light ones... Im positioned that I can have a greater world view. I'm not going to show up and spoil a ballot to waste $1 or a piece of paper to drive taxes up. I might as well take a bill from my wallet and burn it and save the electoral staff the time in looking at it and the tree that got cut down for it. It will have the same effect.

Showing up and wasting peoples time are two seperate things, arrive with a purpose if you are going to show up.

Edited December 30, 2010 by William Ashley

[Saipan]

I'll help you out here Saipan. In the '93 election the PC's were reduced to winning only 2 seats, the Reform Party won 52 seats.

That's right. It's what I keep saying. The only PCs I can think of are Joe Clark and David Orchard

[scribblet]

That's right. It's what I keep saying. The only PCs I can think of are Joe Clark and David Orchard

What's David Orchard up to these days ?

[Jack Weber]

Where would the PC party be today if David Orchard had won its leadership campaign instead if the weasel/rat Peter MacKay?

I suspect they might still be around....

[Saipan]

Where would the PC party be today if David Orchard had won its leadership campaign instead if the weasel/rat Peter MacKay?

I suspect they might still be around....

Not a chance. The people had spoken.

[Jack Weber]

Not a chance. The people had spoken.

The PC party would have taken a decidedly different direction...I would'nt be so sure of that...The Reform dilly bars would'nt like it,mainly because they would'nt have been able to co-opt the "moderate" image they crave by hiding behind MacKay's weasel-like sell out...

Edited December 31, 2010 by Jack Weber

[Saipan]

The PC party would have taken a decidedly different direction...I would'nt be so sure of that...The Reform dilly bars would'nt like it,mainly because they would'nt have been able to co-opt the "moderate" image they crave by hiding behind MacKay's weasel-like sell out...

What are "dilly bars" and why are they hidding?

Canadians must have very low IQ not to see what you see so clearly.

[Jack Weber]

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Edited December 31, 2010 by Jack Weber

[William Ashley]

What are "dilly bars" and why are they hidding?

Canadians must have very low IQ not to see what you see so clearly.

http://www.moeswestisland.com/

Apparently the murder rate in montreal has climbed by 20% this year. Could this be the reason?

Bear in mind, police say that Montreal isn't an exception for other large cities this year.

http://montreal.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20101230/mtl_murders_101230/20101230/?hub=MontrealHome

Edited December 31, 2010 by William Ashley

[Smallc]

Bear in mind, police say that Montreal isn't an exception for other large cities this year.

Where did it say that? It said Toronto's murder rate was down by 2. Winnipeg's murder rate is down 34% this year. Abbotsford's murder rate is down by 60%. In fact, murders in the lower mainland in general are down by 50%. Calgary's murder rate is at the lowest level in 7 years, down 33%. Edmonton has a an identical number of homicides to last year with a growing population. Ottawa has a couple more homicides than last year. The trend overall is down.

Edited December 31, 2010 by Smallc

[Topaz]

Another sometime friend of the PM is Dueppe. If the NDP can't get agreement with Harper than Harper has two choices, call an election or become friends with le Bloc. The party that Harper insults everytime he stands up, but hey, its for the good of the country right? Wrong, Its all about HIM!

[Saipan]

Apparently the murder rate in montreal has climbed by 20% this year. Could this be the reason?

Bear in mind, police say that Montreal isn't an exception for other large cities this year. </i>

Yes, thanks to the liberal $2 billion long gun registration that registered less than 1/5 of the guns

[Saipan]

Another sometime friend of the PM is Dueppe. If the NDP can't get agreement with Harper than Harper has two choices, call an election or become friends with le Bloc. The party that Harper insults everytime he stands up, but hey, its for the good of the country right? Wrong, Its all about HIM!

It's the great chance for Flippity Flop Iggy now