China, Russia and Cuba say it's OK to kill fags

[M.Dancer]

You are able to know a media forgettable without have watch/read/listen that media just like frog in well believes that sky is a small round circle.

You win.

I like many have read the forgettable Chinese governement organs. And I like many Chinese read the western media over and over again because the

forgettable chinese government organs are forgettable.

China wins

[bjre]

I like many have read the forgettable Chinese governement organs. And I like many Chinese read the western media over and over again because the

forgettable chinese government organs are forgettable.

China wins

Chinese read news from Chinese media, from middle east media, from NK/SK media, from Russian media, from Japanese media, from India media, from western media.

You read western media only.

You win.

[CANADIEN]

People in China are freer than people in Canada.

Don't tell us that, tell us to those people in China sitting in jail for campaigning for democracy.

[bjre]

Don't tell us that, tell us to those people in China sitting in jail for campaigning for democracy.

Liar, those are in jail not for campaigning for democracy, it is for the same reason as here:

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=17027&view=findpost&p=577155

Canada does have laws against sedition:

Part II of the Canadian Criminal Code deals with 'Offences against Public Order'. It includes sedition (ss. 59-61), treason (ss. 46-50), sabotage (s. 52), incitement to mutiny (s. 53) and an offence of intimidating Parliament or the legislature of a province by an act of violence (s. 51).

Seditious intention encompasses everyone who

a) teaches or advocates, or

publishes or circulates any writing that advocates,

the use, without the authority of law, of force as a means of accomplishing a governmental change within Canada.

Many Canadian sitting in jail stripped for campaigning for democracy such as during recent G20 summit in Toronto.

Edited November 24, 2010 by bjre

[bush_cheney2004]

....Many Canadian sitting in jail stripped for campaigning for democracy such as during recent G20 summit in Toronto.

...but not run over by main battle tanks.

[bjre]

...but not run over by main battle tanks.

That is the liar from Western media.

There protesters run over by US tank in Iraq, aren't you from US? How about protesters shot dead in Kent State massacre by US army?

[M.Dancer]

That is the liar from Western media.

There protesters run over by US tank in Iraq, aren't you from US? How about protesters shot dead in Kent State massacre by US army?

|Chinaman brainwashed by Chinese government organs

china win

[bjre]

|Chinaman brainwashed by Chinese government organs

china win

You brainwashed by western media.

You win.

Edited November 24, 2010 by bjre

[bush_cheney2004]

That is the liar from Western media.

There protesters run over by US tank in Iraq, aren't you from US? How about protesters shot dead in Kent State massacre by US army?

Good shooting! American National Guard better trained than Chinese commies!

[bjre]

Good shooting! American National Guard better trained than Chinese commies!

That is really what you want.

Guns are everywhere.

People are more likely be shoot in your country than in China.

Democracy, Human right, Freedom? all are lies.

[bloodyminded]

That is the liar from Western media.

There protesters run over by US tank in Iraq, aren't you from US? How about protesters shot dead in Kent State massacre by US army?

That incident, which was nowhere near as serious as the T. Square incident, is universally recognized, including by both major political parties, as a crime. No one is defending or whitewashing it.

That difference alone speaks volumes.

[bjre]

That incident, which was nowhere near as serious as the T. Square incident, is universally recognized, including by both major political parties, as a crime. No one is defending or whitewashing it.

That difference alone speaks volumes.

It is not incident, it is army kill students in campus.

For the tanks, how about Bonus Army? How about President Hoover ordered the army to clear out the veterans in Washinton DC? The infantry and cavalry were supported by tanks, and commanded by Army Chief of Staff General Douglas MacArthur? .... that are incident too? all killing in US are incident? all killing in Canada incident? Robert the Polish guy killed incident? Dudley Georgy incident? native kids send to Residential Schools and be killed incident? Colonists kill aboriginal people and rob their land incident?

You propaganda can only fool those brainwashed people.

Edited November 24, 2010 by bjre

[bloodyminded]

It is not incident, it is army kill students in campus.

For the tanks, how about Bonus Army? How about President Hoover ordered the army to clear out the veterans in Washinton DC? The infantry and cavalry were supported by tanks, and commanded by Army Chief of Staff General Douglas MacArthur? .... that are incident too? all killing in US are incident? all killing in Canada incident? Robert the Polish guy killed incident? Dudley Georgy incident? native kids send to Residential Schools and be killed incident? Colonists kill aboriginal people and rob their land incident?

You propaganda can only fool those brainwashed people.

I called the T. Square crimes an "incident" too (as you'll see if you read my post) so your clear implication that I'm whitewashing is off the mark.

Edited November 24, 2010 by bloodyminded

[bjre]

I called the T. Square crimes an "incident" too (as you'll see if you read my post) so your clear implication that I'm whitewashing is off the mark.

That means only US and Canada are not freer than China. They are not better in freedom at all. Don't try to teach me about human right, democracy, freedom. I know those lies just to fool people here for votes.

[Michael Hardner]

That means only US and Canada are not freer than China. They are not better in freedom at all. Don't try to teach me about human right, democracy, freedom. I know those lies just to fool people here for votes.

If you go out in public and start denouncing the government in China, you will be arrested.

That will not happen in the west. You'll likely even garner applause.

Do you deny that this is the case ?

[bjre]

If you go out in public and start denouncing the government in China, you will be arrested.

That will not happen in the west. You'll likely even garner applause.

Do you deny that this is the case ?

Lie.

You are a brainwashed poor frog in well too.

People in public denouncing the government in China is far more common than in Canada.

[Sir Bandelot]

It is not incident, it is army kill students in campus.

For the tanks, how about Bonus Army? How about President Hoover ordered the army to clear out the veterans in Washinton DC? The infantry and cavalry were supported by tanks, and commanded by Army Chief of Staff General Douglas MacArthur? .... that are incident too? all killing in US are incident? all killing in Canada incident? Robert the Polish guy killed incident? Dudley Georgy incident? native kids send to Residential Schools and be killed incident? Colonists kill aboriginal people and rob their land incident?

You propaganda can only fool those brainwashed people.

...

[Michael Hardner]

People in public denouncing the government in China is far more common than in Canada.

bjre - Is that true ? Please provide some evidence, and I may be convicned.

[bjre]

bjre - Is that true ? Please provide some evidence, and I may be convicned.

Give you some Chinese website as examples. You can find plenty of them if you can read Chinese.

If you go to China and talk with them, you can find more.

http://bbs.news.163.com/list/society.html

http://bbs1.people.com.cn/boardList.do?action=postList&boardId=1

http://www.tianya.cn/new/publicforum/articleslist.asp?stritem=free

[Michael Hardner]

I can't read Chinese.

Maybe a description of what these pages are, who administers them, where they're hosted, who has access and some translations of what they're saying ?

[bloodyminded]

That means only US and Canada are not freer than China. They are not better in freedom at all. Don't try to teach me about human right, democracy, freedom. I know those lies just to fool people here for votes.

I wouldn't presume to teach you about complex matters, nor to deny that the Western democracies are somewhat less free than we often like to pronounce.

I'm only suggesting that China is not some sort of beacon or template to which freedom-loving poeple might aspire. I"m certainly not claiming a clear knowledge of what life is like in China. I'm ignorant of the matter.

[bjre]

I can't read Chinese.

Maybe a description of what these pages are, who administers them, where they're hosted, who has access and some translations of what they're saying ?

Those are bbs that every Chinese who has a computer can access that.

The 2nd one is own by offical People's Daily, the 2 others I have no idea, it was there for very long time, I use the 1st one since 1998 long before I came to Canada. If it is not official, at least it has good relationship with the gov.

I guess the 3rd website is owned by private, I am not sure.

There are often posts that discuss democracy, human right there.

You can find a lot that blaming government in each of the web site. And you can find more from other web sites.

If China does not have top number of website, it should be at least at the 2nd place.

And the internet population is the world's largest.

It is just too many.

The reason why I said western freedom lie is, that one of the hongkong website (http://blog.ifeng.com, people in China can access it) delete those posts that against democracy and remain only the opposite posts. That is the best example about the truth of so called "freedom", you can only support it, you can not against it, otherwise, your opinion will not appear in the west corporate mainstream media.

On the other hand, on Chinese Official People's Daily, there was an artical called "Democracy is a good thing", I did never find any "Communist is a good thing" in western mainstream media

China has more freedom.

Edited November 24, 2010 by bjre

[Michael Hardner]

Those are bbs that every Chinese who has a computer can access that.

The 2nd one is own by offical People's Daily, the 2 others I have no idea, it was there for very long time, I use the 1st one since 1998 long before I came to Canada. If it is not official, at least it has good relationship with the gov.

I guess the 3rd website is owned by private, I am not sure.

There are often posts that discuss democracy, human right there.

You can find a lot that blaming government in each of the web site. And you can find more from other web sites.

Can you provide a literal translation of one of the criticisms against China for me ?

[bjre]

Can you provide a literal translation of one of the criticisms against China for me ?

google translation. I am busy now. good luck.

[Michael Hardner]

google translation. I am busy now. good luck.

I found people defending the police, and the government, and criticizing the press but no discussions on democracy, voting, nor nothing that stood out as criticism of the government.

I looked for awhile. Maybe you can find a link on one of those pages, and point it out to me to translate ?

Otherwise, I don't think I can spend much more time trying to prove your point for you.