North Korea Attacks

[wyly]

US has many evil reasons to launch a new war:

1. it helps the president's sponsor -- weapon maker sell weapons.

2. it helps the president win something especially he can not make any other thing some progress. Even the result will not good to world or US itself, the evil culture of US will think its good.

3. someone want to slow down Asia's fast development so that US looks not so fail in economy.

if the US or S Korea thought it could win easily it would've happened by now...militarily N Korea commands respect the cost in lives could be enormous (estimates of 1 mill+) the economic cost incalculable...and still there is no 100% assurance the USA will win...

[bush_cheney2004]

if the US or S Korea thought it could win easily it would've happened by now...militarily N Korea commands respect the cost in lives could be enormous (estimates of 1 mill+) the economic cost incalculable...and still there is no 100% assurance the USA will win...

"So many body bags".....that's what they said about Iraq too. The USA doesn't have to "win".

[ToadBrother]

China is a lot like a badly behaved and sadistic judge that releases a mad man ....to harrass and weaken the world...

The Russians are more to blame for the rise of the Kims than China. China has long felt itself quite vulnerable because of the Korean conflict. Their support for NK was always more pragmatic than ideological.

China could shut down N Korea with a phone call.

I doubt it. I think it would take more than that. I think China would have to give the Kims and the generals an out; retirement in some nice villas with suitcases filled with cash. I honestly think that's about the only way. These guys, out of the interests of self-preservation, are not simply going to hand Seoul the keys, because any government in SK is going to be under enormous pressure to put the legal jackboots to anyone of importance in the old regime.

[ToadBrother]

"So many body bags".....that's what they said about Iraq too. The USA doesn't have to "win".

The situations are not all that similar. NK has weapons capacity far more troubling than what they even guessed at in Iraq. An open military assault on NK could produce hundreds of thousands of casualties, possibly even punitive assaults on Japan as a sort of a "with my last breath I spit at thee" from the dying NK regime.

As I said, China and the US have to give the regime an out, a way to walk away from the situation. I know this will get all those people who seem to view doing business with evil bastards heartburn, but the reality is that sometimes you have to give evil bastards a bus ticket.

[TimG]

As I said, China and the US have to give the regime an out, a way to walk away from the situation. I know this will get all those people who seem to view doing business with evil bastards heartburn, but the reality is that sometimes you have to give evil bastards a bus ticket.

They will be a lot easier to assassinate after the give up power. It is not clear that they would believe any promises of security.

[wyly]

The situations are not all that similar. NK has weapons capacity far more troubling than what they even guessed at in Iraq. An open military assault on NK could produce hundreds of thousands of casualties, possibly even punitive assaults on Japan as a sort of a "with my last breath I spit at thee" from the dying NK regime.

yup...how nice of the pro war canadians and americans volunteering to put Japan's and S Korea's necks on the line...how eager would they be for war if the NK had reliable ICBMs...

As I said, China and the US have to give the regime an out, a way to walk away from the situation. I know this will get all those people who seem to view doing business with evil bastards heartburn, but the reality is that sometimes you have to give evil bastards a bus ticket.

they don't need away out those at the top of the regime already live a lavish lifestyle what could they be offfered that would tempt them out?

[ToadBrother]

they don't need away out those at the top of the regime already live a lavish lifestyle what could they be offfered that would tempt them out?

The same thing that got Marcos out of the Philippines; the right to continue breathing.

[wyly]

The same thing that got Marcos out of the Philippines; the right to continue breathing.

marcos faced a popular uprising and and lost the support of the military...any civilian uprising in the NK will result in immediate death and the military appears to be totally behind the leadership as they benefit from the same status...the only way the leadership will fall is there is a coup led by the jr ranks of the military, but again the military has an elite status so why would they shoot themselves in the foot...

[bush_cheney2004]

yup...how nice of the pro war canadians and americans volunteering to put Japan's and S Korea's necks on the line...how eager would they be for war if the NK had reliable ICBMs...

American "necks" have been on the line for over 50 years since the cease fire, and some Canadians have no problem volunteering somebody else's "tactical nukes", "cruise missiles", and "bombers".

[bush_cheney2004]

...As I said, China and the US have to give the regime an out, a way to walk away from the situation. I know this will get all those people who seem to view doing business with evil bastards heartburn, but the reality is that sometimes you have to give evil bastards a bus ticket.

Saddam was given an option to just walk away, and was urged to do so by the Saudis. He was a bad poker player.

[GostHacked]

Saddam was given an option to just walk away, and was urged to do so by the Saudis. He was a bad poker player.

You can expect to lose when the game is rigged before you even get to the table. No matter how good Saddam was good at poker.

Rummy said, the weapons are in the North South East West of Bahgdad.

Bush said it himself. 'Nope, no WMDs here!'

One of them was right.

[bush_cheney2004]

You can expect to lose when the game is rigged before you even get to the table. No matter how good Saddam was good at poker.

Rummy said, the weapons are in the North South East West of Bahgdad.

Bush said it himself. 'Nope, no WMDs here!'

One of them was right.

Doesn't matter...could have been avoided by Saddam stepping down. Milosevic didn't have any "WMDs" either.

Bush was a better poker player....they like poker in Texas.

Edited December 1, 2010 by bush_cheney2004

[GostHacked]

Doesn't matter...could have been avoided by Saddam stepping down. Milosevic didn't have any "WMDs" either.

Bush was a better poker player....they like poker in Texas.

Bush may have been a better poker player, knowing he had such shitty cards.

[bush_cheney2004]

Bush may have been a better poker player, knowing he had such shitty cards.

Bush won...Saddam lost. Any questions?

[GostHacked]

Bush won...Saddam lost. Any questions?

Yes, I have many questions. Like why has not the CIA been classified as a terrorist organization?

[bush_cheney2004]

Yes, I have many questions. Like why has not the CIA been classified as a terrorist organization?

Because they can pay for their mistakes.

[GostHacked]

Because they can pay for their mistakes.

No, they can't pay for them, they just bury them and say they don't exist.

[bush_cheney2004]

No, they can't pay for them, they just bury them and say they don't exist.

Wrong...CIA pays off all the time. Just the price of doing business.

[Rue]

The Russians are more to blame for the rise of the Kims than China. China has long felt itself quite vulnerable because of the Korean conflict. Their support for NK was always more pragmatic than ideological.

I agree with you. I think to be blunt China doesn't give a rat's asp about anyone and its foreign policy is pragmatic. That explains why it has no disconnect looking the other way propping Sundan's genocide government or getting into bed with Iran while at the same time engaging in a ruthless internal war to kill its own Muslim fundamentalists.

I agree. I think North Korea was a Soviet Stalinist construct set up to counter the US and the Russsians to this day find it an important counter-measure to the American-Taiwan-Japan-South Korea alliance which is also in all intensive purposes welcomed India into it and although small nations, population wise, Australia and New Zealand-as well at the current time the Phillippines and Indonesia are pretty much aligned up in that constellation economically.

Russia is not happy with Japan and seeks a way to offset American influence and distract Japan which it still feuds with over a ridiculous island war.

The last thing China wants is a collapsed nation next door flooding it with refugees and then becoming an American zone of influence right on its border.

[Rue]

if the US or S Korea thought it could win easily it would've happened by now...militarily N Korea commands respect the cost in lives could be enormous (estimates of 1 mill+) the economic cost incalculable...and still there is no 100% assurance the USA will win...

I think so, but on the other hand any army without food collapses. How much food North Korea has to feed its troops during a war remains the question. It all comes down to the amount of food supplies they have to feed their army.

You can have huge amounts of people in your army but they need to be fed. Would China be able to feed them? China has their own food shortages.

[wyly]

I think so, but on the other hand any army without food collapses. How much food North Korea has to feed its troops during a war remains the question. It all comes down to the amount of food supplies they have to feed their army.

You can have huge amounts of people in your army but they need to be fed. Would China be able to feed them? China has their own food shortages.

like the generals of Miramar or China the N Korean leadership retains power by looking after the military first at the expense of the civilians...like all other military supplies food will have been stockpiled, rice is very storage friendly...and as in any major war food shortages will hit both sides...

I can't see a war happening, the S Koreans know a war a would destroy their economy and the N Koreans know it as well...so the NK will go on instigating conflicts the SK's will complain and the US will stomp and protest but nothing much will come of it...

[lukin]

like the generals of Miramar or China the N Korean leadership retains power by looking after the military first at the expense of the civilians...like all other military supplies food will have been stockpiled, rice is very storage friendly...and as in any major war food shortages will hit both sides...

I can't see a war happening, the S Koreans know a war a would destroy their economy and the N Koreans know it as well...so the NK will go on instigating conflicts the SK's will complain and the US will stomp and protest but nothing much will come of it...

The generals of Miramar? Where the hell is Miramar? Or did you mean Myannmar?

[Wild Bill]

I think so, but on the other hand any army without food collapses. How much food North Korea has to feed its troops during a war remains the question. It all comes down to the amount of food supplies they have to feed their army.

You can have huge amounts of people in your army but they need to be fed. Would China be able to feed them? China has their own food shortages.

It's not the problem you might think, Rue! You see, in a war NK wouldn't have to feed its army for very long.

We Canadians tend to be blissfully unaware of how modern warfare has changed. We still think it's like WWII, when we had a couple of years to build an army from scratch, hacking down trees and air strips in rural areas to set up a Commonwealth pilot training organization.

That all went away years ago. Today's wars are over quickly, in a matter of weeks if not days. When the balloon goes up it's "come as you are". Those nations that don't have much in resources promptly lose, for they have no time to develop anything more than what they already have on hand.

How well do you think Canada would do in such a situation? How much do we have on hand at any given time?

So NK only has to feed its army for a few days or weeks. If it wins, it will have access to all the food in SK. If it loses, its leaders won't care. Besides, its enemies will feed them. Marshall Plans are just part of America's character.

NK has been rationing its food to its army first for generations. Its leaders have no problem with storing up a supply to handle a few weeks of combat. If some of its civilians starve in the meantime well, what else is new?

[GostHacked]

Wrong...CIA pays off all the time. Just the price of doing business.

Ah yes, indeed you are correct, the opium feilds of Afghanistan are doing a nice job of supplimenting the CIA's budget.

[bush_cheney2004]

Ah yes, indeed you are correct, the opium feilds of Afghanistan are doing a nice job of supplimenting the CIA's budget.

I sure hope so....you gotta problem with that?