Democratic Candidates running on Obama Successes

[Pliny]

I haven't seen one candidate promoting with pride the successes of Obama's administration.

He managed to pass a health-care plan. His stimulus bill was a great success. He promises Americans a cap and trade bill. He's created a few million jobs. He's turned the economy around.

What's up with Democratic candidates in the mid-term not touting all these great accomplishments in their campaigns?

[dre]

I haven't seen one candidate promoting with pride the successes of Obama's administration.

He managed to pass a health-care plan. His stimulus bill was a great success. He promises Americans a cap and trade bill. He's created a few million jobs. He's turned the economy around.

What's up with Democratic candidates in the mid-term not touting all these great accomplishments in their campaigns?

30 years of terrible government by both parties has resulted in a very anti encumbant environment, and Obamas approval rating is relatively low. Also Obama promised a public healthcare option, and then signed into law a corporate welfare bill for private insurers instead.

Anyways its about the economy and jobs. When the economy sucks encumbants are in trouble.

[Pliny]

30 years of terrible government by both parties has resulted in a very anti encumbant environment, and Obamas approval rating is relatively low. Also Obama promised a public healthcare option, and then signed into law a corporate welfare bill for private insurers instead.

Anyways its about the economy and jobs. When the economy sucks encumbants are in trouble.

Yes it is about the economy and jobs. The stimulus was successful in turning the economy around and created millions of jobs why are Democratic candidates not pointing that out?

30 years? Carter was great?

Obama, Pelosi and Reid tried to sell Health-care for a year and a half with a public option. All branches of government, the Executive, Congress and Senate could not be persuasive enough to get a public option. You know he wanted a public option. They took what they were sure of getting - Democrats are progressive, after all. They can wait until next time. A few on the far left are impatient, I know, but that's no reason to turn on their own guy. He's trying to do his best for them. They have to understand that and be patient.

[Shady]

Democrats can't run on their record, because it's immensely unpopular. Nobody believes the stimulus did much good. They spent a trillion dollars and what did they get for it? A continued slumping economy. And they can't run on health care reform because everybody pretty much hates it. That's why they've been giving businesses waivers for a year. Otherwise it would have messed up hundreds of thousands of peoples health insurance, and they'd get an even bigger beating in November. Oh, and tax rates on everyone are set to increase at the end of the year, and Democrats decided to adjourn congress early without addressing it. Not to mention they're the first congress in 30 years not to even pass a budget for the current fiscal year. Yep, once these retards aren't in charge anymore, everyone will be a lot better off!

[dre]

Democrats can't run on their record, because it's immensely unpopular. Nobody believes the stimulus did much good. They spent a trillion dollars and what did they get for it? A continued slumping economy. And they can't run on health care reform because everybody pretty much hates it. That's why they've been giving businesses waivers for a year. Otherwise it would have messed up hundreds of thousands of peoples health insurance, and they'd get an even bigger beating in November. Oh, and tax rates on everyone are set to increase at the end of the year, and Democrats decided to adjourn congress early without addressing it. Not to mention they're the first congress in 30 years not to even pass a budget for the current fiscal year. Yep, once these retards aren't in charge anymore, everyone will be a lot better off!

Democrats can't run on their record

Sheer partisan trash. The US GOVERNMENT as a whole and both parties in it, cant run on their own record.

Yep, once these retards aren't in charge anymore, everyone will be a lot better off!

Yup... thats what people said about the last administration, and the one before that. They still arent better off. Because both major parties are packed with those "retards" you mentioned.

[dre]

Yes it is about the economy and jobs. The stimulus was successful in turning the economy around and created millions of jobs why are Democratic candidates not pointing that out?

30 years? Carter was great?

Obama, Pelosi and Reid tried to sell Health-care for a year and a half with a public option. All branches of government, the Executive, Congress and Senate could not be persuasive enough to get a public option. You know he wanted a public option. They took what they were sure of getting - Democrats are progressive, after all. They can wait until next time. A few on the far left are impatient, I know, but that's no reason to turn on their own guy. He's trying to do his best for them. They have to understand that and be patient.

Yes it is about the economy and jobs. The stimulus was successful in turning the economy around and created millions of jobs why are Democratic candidates not pointing that out?

Because regardless of whether or not the stimulus was successfull in reducing the severity of the recession and keeping the financial system functioning, the economy still sucks for a lot of people. Unemployment is high, people are still losing their homes, and wages are not increasing as fast as inflation. Youre not going to brag about your "economic successes" in that environment, youll get laughed off stage.

30 years? Carter was great?

I ballparked it man!

Edited October 19, 2010 by dre

[bush_cheney2004]

Because regardless of whether or not the stimulus was successfull in reducing the severity of the recession and keeping the financial system functioning, the economy still sucks for a lot of people. Unemployment is high, people are still losing their homes, and wages are not increasing as fast as inflation. Youre not going to brag about your "economic successes" in that environment, youll get laughed off stage.

Such people should be losing their homes....they couldn't/can't afford them. Inflation is not a problem right now.

[GostHacked]

Democrats can't run on their record, because it's immensely unpopular. Nobody believes the stimulus did much good. They spent a trillion dollars and what did they get for it? A continued slumping economy.

Most of us who have more than a couple synapses firing at the same time knew the bailout and stimulus package would not resolve the issues.

Aww. Have you run out of false choices and strawman arguments?

Virtually everyone supported a stimulus. But many people disliked the way Obama and the Democrats designed it. And now we know why. Because it wasn't as effective as it could have been. It was full of useless pork projects and government programs.

It was never meant to be effective. I think that's the point.

Yep, once these retards aren't in charge anymore, everyone will be a lot better off!

The next president will be even worse. No matter if it's a Dem or Rep.

[Shakeyhands]

Yep, once these retards aren't in charge anymore, everyone will be a lot better off!

I look forward to the Republicans running on their record. I'd hazard a guess that the current retards are one hell of a lot better than the retards that ran things before them. Mission Accomplished!!!!

[Pliny]

I look forward to the Republicans running on their record. I'd hazard a guess that the current retards are one hell of a lot better than the retards that ran things before them. Mission Accomplished!!!!

When Obama talked about Hope and change, did he mean he would demonstrate what it really means to need hope and change? Mission accomplished!

[dre]

When Obama talked about Hope and change, did he mean he would demonstrate what it really means to need hope and change? Mission accomplished!

No. When Obama talked about hope and change he was just trying to appeal to the dullard voters. Once he was in office its business as usual... just like it will be for the next admin, and the next, and the next.

Because the problem isnt that Obamas bad or that the democrats are bad (although both those things are true). The problem is a fundamentally broken system of government, and voters that thing the whole thing is gameshow or sports event.

[Guest TrueMetis]

When's the last time a republican (or a democratic) government reduce the size of government? Not in the last 30-40 years that for sure.

[Shady]

When's the last time a republican (or a democratic) government reduce the size of government? Not in the last 30-40 years that for sure.

I think that President Clinton and the Republican congress did a pretty good job from 1994 - 2000.

[punked]

I think that President Clinton and the Republican congress did a pretty good job from 1994 - 2000.

And then something changed in 2000 what was it? It wasn't the congress they were still Republicans but they got rid of the Democrat and all of a sudden the government grew by leaps and bounds. So I guess we know who did that don't we?

[Pliny]

No. When Obama talked about hope and change he was just trying to appeal to the dullard voters. Once he was in office its business as usual... just like it will be for the next admin, and the next, and the next.

Because the problem isnt that Obamas bad or that the democrats are bad (although both those things are true). The problem is a fundamentally broken system of government, and voters that thing the whole thing is gameshow or sports event.

Here's a quote from George Orwell that backs you up.

"Political speech and writing are largely the defense of the indefensible.... ....Thus political language has to consist largely of euphemism, question-begging and sheer cloudy vagueness."

I think that "fundamentally transform" is sheer cloudy vagueness.

It suggests an agenda; but what?

Face it, Obama has plans to do exactly what he says, "fundamentally transform America". Do you have any idea what that means specifically? Make it Canada Light. Or perhaps something more along the lines of Venezuela? I think by his actions over the last 2 years, that is where his sympathies lie.

[Pliny]

And then something changed in 2000 what was it? It wasn't the congress they were still Republicans but they got rid of the Democrat and all of a sudden the government grew by leaps and bounds. So I guess we know who did that don't we?

Uhhh...Muslim Terrorists? Y2K? Remember Barney Frank saying all was well at Fannie and Freddie in 2007? The Democrats didn't seem to care then about where the economy was headed. Bush did everything himself. What an amazing guy!

[dre]

Here's a quote from George Orwell that backs you up.

"Political speech and writing are largely the defense of the indefensible.... ....Thus political language has to consist largely of euphemism, question-begging and sheer cloudy vagueness."

I think that "fundamentally transform" is sheer cloudy vagueness.

It suggests an agenda; but what?

Face it, Obama has plans to do exactly what he says, "fundamentally transform America". Do you have any idea what that means specifically? Make it Canada Light. Or perhaps something more along the lines of Venezuela? I think by his actions over the last 2 years, that is where his sympathies lie.

Canada light? Canada has single payer UFC... Obama signed into law a corporate welfare bill for private insurers.

Venezuela? Chavez siezed companies and naturalized assets turning them over to the public. Obama took hundreds of billions from the tax payers and gave it to government lobbying corporations as a gift.

Obama is just another big business corporate president. If he really every had an ambitious agenda you can be sure its gone now. After a couple of years on the job hes no doubt realized that a Walmart greeter has more power to change society than a president in the broken US government.

[Pliny]

Canada light? Canada has single payer UFC... Obama signed into law a corporate welfare bill for private insurers.

I maintain it isn't the bill he would have wanted.

Venezuela? Chavez siezed companies and naturalized assets turning them over to the public. Obama took hundreds of billions from the tax payers and gave it to government lobbying corporations as a gift.

Is the government still running GM?

Obama is just another big business corporate president. If he really every had an ambitious agenda you can be sure its gone now. After a couple of years on the job hes no doubt realized that a Walmart greeter has more power to change society than a president in the broken US government.

Your disappointment in Obama is clear. Remember he has, by passing that health care bill; even in it's current form, fundamentally transformed America. There are still about twenty states suing on the basis of it's Constitutionality. Perhaps it will be repealed. Would you complain about it's repeal?

[Pliny]

I heard there was a gubernatorial candidate in Minnesota, Mark Dayton who is running on the Obama platform. He's proud of having supported Obamacare, the stimulus package, increasing taxes on the rich and all the other Obama initiatives. Looking forward to Cap and trade.

Gutsy - a straight shooter. Not like all those other rats deserting a sinking ship. At least you know not to vote for him.

[bush_cheney2004]

...Gutsy - a straight shooter. Not like all those other rats deserting a sinking ship. At least you know not to vote for him.

Formet US Senator Mark Dayton wasn't even endorsed by his own party for the primary. But he will benefit from a strong third party candidate in the race. Dayton is also a rich heir to his families dept store empire, and can self finance, eschewing government campaign funding.

[Pliny]

Formet US Senator Mark Dayton wasn't even endorsed by his own party for the primary. But he will benefit from a strong third party candidate in the race. Dayton is also a rich heir to his families dept store empire, and can self finance, eschewing government campaign funding.

The Minnnesota Gubernatorial race wasn't on my radar which is why I brought it up. I didn't know anyone was touting Obama's successes.

I notice he is running for the DFL party. The Democratic Farmer Labor party. Sounds pretty left wing.