maplesyrup Posted June 9, 2004 Report Posted June 9, 2004 Belinda bares beliefs The party's health critic, Rob Merrifield, ignited a controversy last week saying women should have to undergo mandatory, third-party counselling before being allowed to have an abortion. This week MP Cheryl Gallant opened a can of worms suggesting the term "sexual orientation" should be removed from a recently passed hate crime law because the phrase could include pedophiles. Stronach said she's spoken to Harper about the comments and "he respects my views." The Conservative Party leader is expected to attend a hastily arranged rally in Aurora tonight. Another fire to put out for Harper. Are these issues starting to spin out of control for the Conservatives? Quote An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't. Anatole France
Kliege Posted June 9, 2004 Report Posted June 9, 2004 Conservative strategists believe Paul Martin's attack on Stephen Harper is backfiring big time. A party strategist tells Sun Media their own internal polling shows a "double-digit shift" in voter popularity from the Grits to the Conservatives. And a new overnight CPAC/SES tracking survey seems to support the claim, showing the Harper-led Conservatives pulling away from Martin's Grits, both nationally and in seat-rich Ontario, where the poll shows the Conservatives enjoy a 10-point lead over the sagging Grits -- 43% to 33%. Pollsters also predict the Conservatives could win up to seven ridings in Quebec -- and Jean Fortier is determined to take one of them. Fortier, the party's star candidate in Quebec, hits the streets of his upper-middle class Ahuntsic riding in the heart of Montreal about three times a day to woo voters. "People are more undecided than they say in the polls," said Fortier, who is facing Liberal incumbent Elena Bakopanos in the bellwether riding. Nationally, the poll puts the Conservatives at 35% in decided voter support with the Liberals at 31%. Jack Layton's New Democrats have 16%, followed by Quebec's BQ at 11% and the Green Party at 6%. But, the number of undecided Canadians is high at 23%. On the question of who would make the best PM, Martin and Harper are in a statistical tie -- 27% to 26% respectively. The phone survey of 600 Canadians done June 5-7 has a margin of error plus or minus 4.1%, 19 times out of 20. A Conservative strategist says Liberal efforts to scare Canadians away from the Harper-led party by pushing hot button issues such as abortion and same-sex marriage is actually driving more social conservative-minded Liberals away. "There's a reason that 42 Liberals voted against same-sex marriage and by continuing on with this raving, lunatic hidden agenda stuff, (Martin's) attacking his own people," said the senior strategist Quote
maplesyrup Posted June 9, 2004 Author Report Posted June 9, 2004 It is interesting to see Belinda Stronach distance herself from Harper. Harper needs to be very careful on these issues, as Belinda's campaign for the leadership is probably the one overriding factor that that has given the Conservatives credibility in Ontario. Harper seems concerned enough about it that he is going to her riding for a hastily arranged meeting tonight. Quote An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't. Anatole France
Dennis Posted June 9, 2004 Report Posted June 9, 2004 Looks like the NDP has joined the Liberals in a campaign of lies. Nowhere in the passage maplesyrup posted does it say anything about Stronach distancing herself from Harper. But to struggling Leftist parties who apparently have nothing to offer voters, these kinds of tactics seem necessary for survival. Good thing Harper is smarter than both Martin and Layton. He can stay above the fray in order to become Prime Minister. We need honest leaders like that, not the stuff that's been coming from the NDP and the Liberals. Quote
maplesyrup Posted June 9, 2004 Author Report Posted June 9, 2004 Looks like the NDP has joined the Liberals in a campaign of lies. Nowhere in the passage maplesyrup posted does it say anything about Stronach distancing herself from Harper. But to struggling Leftist parties who apparently have nothing to offer voters, these kinds of tactics seem necessary for survival. Good thing Harper is smarter than both Martin and Layton. He can stay above the fray in order to become Prime Minister. We need honest leaders like that, not the stuff that's been coming from the NDP and the Liberals. AURORA -- Conservative star candidate Belinda Stronach distanced herself yesterday from Stephen Harper's controversial remarks on abortion and same-sex marriage, assuring residents her views differ from her leader. Dennis........impressive Quote An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't. Anatole France
maplesyrup Posted June 9, 2004 Author Report Posted June 9, 2004 Conservatives are their own worst enemy To be frank, I and many other young Canadians owe the Conservative Party of Canada a great debt. For years when I was depressed or upset, the Conservative Party of Canada (in one of its incarnations) was always there to cheer me up. Like a warm bottle of milk or case of beer, the Conservatives have always been there to comfort to me in my moments of trial and tribulation. Join me, for a brief walk down memory lane and a brief peak at some of the Conservative Party's greatest hits. The year was 2001, and I was 16. I had just arrived home after performing dismally on a math test. Lying in my basement, I grudging turned on the radio and stuck my head in a pillow. It was then I heard a news report about some politician, a man named Rahim Jaffer, who had apparently faked a radio interview in Vancouver. Quote An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't. Anatole France
Argus Posted June 9, 2004 Report Posted June 9, 2004 It is interesting to see Belinda Stronach distance herself from Harper.Wishful thinking on your part. All she is distancing herself from is the anti-abortion crowd. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 9, 2004 Report Posted June 9, 2004 The party's health critic, Rob Merrifield, ignited a controversy last week saying women should have to undergo mandatory, third-party counselling before being allowed to have an abortion. According to the article posted here the other day he did not such thing, but merely responded to the suggestion from the Globe reporter by saying that yes, councilling sounds like a good idea - which is much the same as Paul Martin said. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 9, 2004 Report Posted June 9, 2004 AURORA -- Conservative star candidate Belinda Stronach distanced herself yesterday from Stephen Harper's controversial remarks on abortion and same-sex marriage, assuring residents her views differ from her leader. Dennis........impressive Ahh, so, because the reporter chose to use those words in describing how Stronach was pointing out her different views on social issues this is proof positive that she is distancing herself from Harper? Hmmmm. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 9, 2004 Report Posted June 9, 2004 Conservatives are their own worst enemyTo be frank, I and many other young Canadians owe the Conservative Party of Canada a great debt. For years when I was depressed or upset, the Conservative Party of Canada (in one of its incarnations) was always there to cheer me up. Like a warm bottle of milk or case of beer, the Conservatives have always been there to comfort to me in my moments of trial and tribulation. Join me, for a brief walk down memory lane and a brief peak at some of the Conservative Party's greatest hits. The year was 2001, and I was 16. I had just arrived home after performing dismally on a math test. Lying in my basement, I grudging turned on the radio and stuck my head in a pillow. It was then I heard a news report about some politician, a man named Rahim Jaffer, who had apparently faked a radio interview in Vancouver. Hey, Maple, you forget this part of the quote: Luckily for us all, the joke is finally up. Stephen Harper has given Canada's right wing the credibility it has so desperately been lacking. The Conservatives may actually have a chance at forming a government, and finally turning Canada into something more than a one-party state. Canada needs the Conservative Party, and Stephen Harper has done a service to us all by holding it together. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Kiraly Posted June 9, 2004 Report Posted June 9, 2004 I see Belinda's comments as beneficial to the party's cause. They help alleviate some of the concerns the more socially liberal Ontario voter may have with respect to the Conservative party. Quote
August1991 Posted June 9, 2004 Report Posted June 9, 2004 Ahh, so, because the reporter chose to use those words in describing how Stronach was pointing out her different views on social issues this is proof positive that she is distancing herself from Harper? Right on, Argus. Stronach is making a good point however. One that is not lost, I suspect, on many Ontario voters. The only way the Conservatives will win is if there are many members elected in Ontario. The Tory caucus is going to have many social liberals. In addition, the BQ and NDP will be other impediments to radical social change. There's also the Senate and the Supreme Court. And lastly, the Ottawa bureaucracy. In fact, a PM Stephen Harper will have to tread carefully around most issues. Quote
Alliance Fanatic Posted June 9, 2004 Report Posted June 9, 2004 Wow Canadian's are really scared, especially since the conservative's get 35% of the vote compared to 31% for the liberals. The strategy by Paul Martin is failing, their are lots of socially conservative liberals in Ontario, Jean Chretien always said that votes on abortion and same sex marriage are free votes. It seems that Martin believes that those votes should not be allowed. Thus we will probably end up with a 40%-45% Conservative majority due to a coalition of disgruntled socially conservative liberals, fiscal conservatives, libertarians, and red tories. Quote "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others" - George Orwell's Animal Farm
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