Bob Posted January 22, 2011 Report Posted January 22, 2011 Gosthacked, as usual, is WAY out of his league. To make the suggestion that a virus could lead to a nuclear meltdown like in Chernobyl is quite silly. You're just reaching for the sake of reaching. Why not spend some time learning about what actually lead to the Chernobyl disaster before making such silly threads. Quote My blog - bobinisrael.blogspot.com - I am writing on it, again!
eyeball Posted January 22, 2011 Report Posted January 22, 2011 (edited) To make the suggestion that a virus could lead to a nuclear meltdown like in Chernobyl is quite silly. If they thought they could though wouldn't you put it past them to try? Some people around here seem to get a nice warm glow at the thought. Edited January 22, 2011 by eyeball Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
GostHacked Posted January 22, 2011 Author Report Posted January 22, 2011 The more that security experts review the code, the less likely it seems that this was a plot by the west. Iv read a few articles in the last few days that actually claim the worm was not very well made, and that rookie mistakes lead to its early detection. http://threatpost.com/en_us/blogs/stuxnet-authors-made-several-basic-errors-011811 It was a plot by the west, Israel and the US. That is stated. Errors can occur, but you have to have in depth knowledge of the specialized systems you are trying to target. The virus was crafted for such a purpose. And security experts at the time of the incident were saying that it had to take resources of a nation to accomplish this. The virus does not have to be perfect to be completely effective. But, if it was not the west or the US/Israel as stated .. then who? Quote
GostHacked Posted January 22, 2011 Author Report Posted January 22, 2011 Gosthacked, as usual, is WAY out of his league. To make the suggestion that a virus could lead to a nuclear meltdown like in Chernobyl is quite silly. You're just reaching for the sake of reaching. Why not spend some time learning about what actually lead to the Chernobyl disaster before making such silly threads. As usual? And human error caused the Chernobyl catastrophe. Human error could have caused it this time as well. A virus could lead to a meltdown, depending on how the virus was made. Quote
Bob Posted January 22, 2011 Report Posted January 22, 2011 As usual? And human error caused the Chernobyl catastrophe. Human error could have caused it this time as well. A virus could lead to a meltdown, depending on how the virus was made. Yes, as usual you are punching way above your weight class. Do you have any idea how broad "human error" is? This isn't an episode of The Simpsons where there's a glowing red-button labelled 'self-destruct'. Stop pretending to know the first thing about nuclear reactor safety or the relevant software systems. Do you really think your amateur-hour analysis is fooling anyone? Get real. Quote My blog - bobinisrael.blogspot.com - I am writing on it, again!
GostHacked Posted January 22, 2011 Author Report Posted January 22, 2011 Yes, as usual you are punching way above your weight class. Do you have any idea how broad "human error" is? This isn't an episode of The Simpsons where there's a glowing red-button labelled 'self-destruct'. Stop pretending to know the first thing about nuclear reactor safety or the relevant software systems. Do you really think your amateur-hour analysis is fooling anyone? Get real. No one is offering up the simplistic view you are trying to present here. Who do you think you are fooling? Quote
jbg Posted January 23, 2011 Report Posted January 23, 2011 The difference with the virus is that it is designed to specifically target a certain type of control system. Not simple hackers, it's much more than that. Speculation it was state sponsored, and the two suspects are the USA and Israel. It makes sense that Israel is behind it, because they will do what they can to prevent Iran from putting their nuclear facility online. As evidence, we can use Iraq and Syria as examples. Israel targeted and destroyed those facilities it deemed a threat to the state. I guess some people don't care whether Israel is virus-infesting an Iranian computer or bombing a human-shield "apartment" building in Gaza. It can't win. The virus was not designed to monitor or steal data, it was very specifically designed to target very specific systems. **************** The real danger is that if something went wrong, the whole thing can go Chernobyl. Here's hoping... Couldn't happen to nicer people. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
dre Posted January 23, 2011 Report Posted January 23, 2011 It was a plot by the west, Israel and the US. That is stated. Errors can occur, but you have to have in depth knowledge of the specialized systems you are trying to target. The virus was crafted for such a purpose. And security experts at the time of the incident were saying that it had to take resources of a nation to accomplish this. The virus does not have to be perfect to be completely effective. But, if it was not the west or the US/Israel as stated .. then who? And security experts at the time of the incident were saying that it had to take resources of a nation to accomplish this Yeah but theyre changing their tune a bit now that theyve been able to analyze it. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
GostHacked Posted January 23, 2011 Author Report Posted January 23, 2011 Yeah but theyre changing their tune a bit now that theyve been able to analyze it. I'd be suspect of who these experts are saying otherwise. Quote
GostHacked Posted January 23, 2011 Author Report Posted January 23, 2011 I guess some people don't care whether Israel is virus-infesting an Iranian computer or bombing a human-shield "apartment" building in Gaza. It can't win. Well, I am looking at it in terms of cyberwar, it's already here. With so many systems being interconnected now, this kind of warfare is going to escalate a lot in the next year, as it has for the last couple years. Expect it. And expect bad results. It's an important piece of news in my view. Quote
dre Posted January 23, 2011 Report Posted January 23, 2011 I'd be suspect of who these experts are saying otherwise. Theyre the same people that analyze all the other worms and viruses. The claims that this piece of software was "so advanced" that a national government was involved came early on. Now that security experts have had a chance to look at it, a different story is emerging. http://www.thinq.co.uk/2011/1/19/stuxnet-worm-full-errors-say-security-experts/ Second, the Stuxnet developers seem to be unaware of more advanced techniques for hiding their target. They use simple 'if/then' range checks to identify Step 7 systems and their peripheral controllers. If this was some high-level government operation, I would hope they would know to use things like hash-and-decrypt or homomorphic encryption to hide the controller configuration the code is targeting and its exact behavior once it did infect those systems Rather than being proud of its stealth and targeting, the authors should be embarrassed at their amateur approach to hiding the payload," Lawson writes. "I really hope it wasn't written by the USA because I'd like to think our elite cyberweapon developers at least know what Bulgarian teenagers did back in the early 90′s"* Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
bloodyminded Posted January 25, 2011 Report Posted January 25, 2011 (edited) [A Chernobyl-like meltdown] Couldn't happen to nicer people. While it's logically moot (Bob is correct about this), this is a pretty astonishing statement...but then, agreeing with M. Dancer's moral bleakness is always a bad idea. In any instance of nuclear horror such as this, it's not the Imams or the President who are going to be infected with generations of disease. It's the everyday, ordinary, decent Iranians. They're perfectly "nice," yes they are. Edited January 25, 2011 by bloodyminded Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
GostHacked Posted March 7, 2011 Author Report Posted March 7, 2011 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12633240 Israel and the United States created the Stuxnet worm to sabotage Iran's nuclear programme, a leading security expert has claimed.Ralph Langner told a conference in California that the malicious software was designed to cripple systems that could help build an Iranian bomb. Mr Langner was one of the first researchers to show how Stuxnet could take control of industrial equipment. It is widely believed that its target was machinery used to enrich uranium. Speaking at the TED conference in Long Beach, California, Mr Langner said: "My opinion is that Mossad [israel's intelligence agency] is involved." However he speculated that Israel was not the main driver behind the creation of Stuxnet. "There is only one leading source, and that is the United States," said Mr Langner. In a recent report on Stuxnet, the security firm Symantec said that it would have taken a team of between five and 10 developers, six months to create the worm. This is all part of the new cyber war. If Iran did this to an Isreali or US based infrastructure, most of you would be making a huge stink about it all the while excusing the west's involvement in this cyber attack. Hypocrites. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted March 9, 2011 Report Posted March 9, 2011 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12633240 This is all part of the new cyber war. If Iran did this to an Isreali or US based infrastructure, most of you would be making a huge stink about it all the while excusing the west's involvement in this cyber attack. Hypocrites. Meh...Red China has been hacking us blind. Where's the stink? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
jbg Posted March 9, 2011 Report Posted March 9, 2011 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12633240 This is all part of the new cyber war. If Iran did this to an Isreali or US based infrastructure, most of you would be making a huge stink about it all the while excusing the west's involvement in this cyber attack. Hypocrites. Except Israel hasn't indicated any desire to wipe Iran off the face of the earth, nor has the U.S., despite rich provocation. This is not a neutral matter. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
GostHacked Posted March 9, 2011 Author Report Posted March 9, 2011 (edited) Meh...Red China has been hacking us blind. Where's the stink? Well, you have the opportunity now to raise a stink. I doubt you will though. I did raise a stink in another thread. But I guess you missed it. Thanks for playing. Edited March 9, 2011 by GostHacked Quote
GostHacked Posted March 9, 2011 Author Report Posted March 9, 2011 Except Israel hasn't indicated any desire to wipe Iran off the face of the earth, nor has the U.S., despite rich provocation. This is not a neutral matter. OK so you approve the attack on Iran's nuclear facility. Don't come crying when Israel gets some of it back. Stuxnet has now been released into the wild because of this attack. Our infrastructure systems in North America are more connected than Iran's. The Iranian nuke facility was an isolated network. Not only did the US and Israel make the virus, they would have had to physically infiltrate the facility to upload the virus. It was purposeful and deliberate, and meticulously planned. To attack the US (not so sure about Israel) you only need to use the Internet. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted March 9, 2011 Report Posted March 9, 2011 Well, you have the opportunity now to raise a stink. I doubt you will though. I did raise a stink in another thread. But I guess you missed it. Thanks for playing. Raise a stink about giving a virus to Iran's nuclear program? Why? Seems like a good thing to me. You, however, seem a little concerned about its well-being. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted March 9, 2011 Author Report Posted March 9, 2011 Raise a stink about giving a virus to Iran's nuclear program? Why? Seems like a good thing to me. You, however, seem a little concerned about its well-being. Yeah, don't worry about retaliation, or any kind of blowback. Or we might have more planes flying into more buildings. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted March 9, 2011 Report Posted March 9, 2011 (edited) Yeah, don't worry about retaliation, or any kind of blowback. Or we might have more planes flying into more buildings. Yeah...best let Iranian fascism and nuclear weapon ambition alone. Wouldn't want to piss off ol' Dinnerjacket and his Mullah masters. Edited March 10, 2011 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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