Harper's Hidden Agenda

[with_distinction]

It is well known that Harper, a follower of Straussen values is a staunch believer in little (as in zero) government.

This of course would be impossible to pull off in Canada, unless ....

*Puts on tin-foil hat*

What if the Harper government, in its seemingly spendthrift ways, continues to dump billions of dollars on fighter jets, further world leader parties, etc., propelling Canada into a spiral of debt equal to what is occuring at present in Europe with the PIGS.

Thereby, global financial institutions will be asked for an economic bail out (national loan) which will lead to enacting strict austerity measures, such as privatization of public institutions, government layoffs, etc.

In this extremely simplistic view, one may say that Harper is purposefully weakening Canada, albeit slowly, in a secret devious and ideologically motivated plan!!

Edited September 29, 2010 by with_distinction

[scribblet]

I'd say you couldn't find a tin foil hat big enough LOL

BTW it's not 'well known' about Harper = Straussian values, he's never said anything about it as far as I know, that's just a left wing narrative they like to push along. Heck, do most people even know about Strauss (not the waltz guy) or even care these days LOL

[ToadBrother]

I'd say you couldn't find a tin foil hat big enough LOL

BTW it's not 'well known' about Harper = Straussian values, he's never said anything about it as far as I know, that's just a left wing narrative they like to push along. Heck, do most people even know about Strauss (not the waltz guy) or even care these days LOL

I've seen little enough evidence of any substantial shrinkage in the size of government. It suggests to me that a lot of the "hidden agenda" claims are just hyperbole. I have no doubt that Harper does want to reduce the size of the Federal Government, but this idea that he's going to turn Canada into some sort of Libertarian paradise is bunk. The guy, after all, wants to get a majority government, and going that route would be the road to political suicide.

There are lots of reasons to dislike Harper's strategies and tactics. I see no reason to invent paranoid fantasies above and beyond the more apparent reasons.

[msj]

*Puts on tin-foil hat*

What if the Harper government, in its seemingly spendthrift ways, continues to dump billions of dollars on fighter jets, further world leader parties, etc., propelling Canada into a spiral of debt equal to what is occuring at present in Europe with the PIGS.

Canada's debt is already there:

Canada vs. PIIGS

Unfortunately for us our private sector debt is very high which has all kinds of implications for aggregate demand as deleveraging occurs.

[Shady]

I'm sick of the "hidden agenda" attack regardless of any political party it's directed toward. It's a completely unprovable premise, and is basically tantamount to mind reading. So unless you can read people's minds. STFU.

[ToadBrother]

I'm sick of the "hidden agenda" attack regardless of any political party it's directed toward. It's a completely unprovable premise, and is basically tantamount to mind reading. So unless you can read people's minds. STFU.

You mean how some people think that Obama is a Muslim plant who will turn the United States into an Islamo-Marxist state?

[RNG]

You mean how some people think that Obama is a Muslim plant who will turn the United States into an Islamo-Marxist state?

What do you expect of someone born in Kenya? But the tinfoil hurts my head.

[jbg]

You mean how some people think that Obama is a Muslim plant who will turn the United States into an Islamo-Marxist state?

What do you expect of someone born in Kenya? But the tinfoil hurts my head.

I don't think Osama Obama was either born in Kenya or is a Muslim.

Those faint bits of praise aside, however, I have real problems with Osama Obama. He is not an "American exceptionalist" at all. He considers himself a world citizen. That is no place for a President of the U.S. We need a President who loves his country, not one that is ashamed of it.

[scribblet]

No more apology tours !!

Agree about the hidden agenda booga booga, the sky is falling crap, it doesn't cut it anymore.

I just read a radical left blog about how Harper really isn't evangelical, he just uses religion blah blah blah. Can't pin the religious wingnut on him well, make something up as you go along

[Shady]

You mean how some people think that Obama is a Muslim plant who will turn the United States into an Islamo-Marxist state?

Yep, exactly like that.

[Topaz]

Tinfoil? You mean like planes flying into buildings in the US. NEVER happen, the Bush government said it would never happen. BUT IT DID! I wouldn't put it past Harper or any PM that agree with plan. Leaders could be bought off by the "powers that be". The World Order is said to control the world by the economics of every country. There 's a European Union, the creations of the North American Union,unions in Asia, Middle-East, Africa etc. Legal Tenders would change, the US dollar may disappear and this is suppose happen within 25 years. It is said that because of the Internet, its easier for people of these countries to know about things like this that could happen and try to stop it. I like to know what does Harper's want to do in a majority, that he hasn't be able to get from the opposition parties????

[guyser]

I'm sick of the "hidden agenda" attack regardless of any political party it's directed toward.

Speaking of STFU , you're hypocrisy is noted. You are the one who likes to spout Rep rhetoric that Dems (and Liberals) are out to ruin the country.(respectively that is)

Edited September 29, 2010 by guyser

[guyser]

I don't think Osama Obama was either born in Kenya or is a Muslim.

Those faint bits of praise aside, however, I have real problems with Osama Obama. He is not an "American exceptionalist" at all. He considers himself a world citizen. That is no place for a President of the U.S. We need a President who loves his country, not one that is ashamed of it.

I find it sad that the Osama/Obama crap comes from you. I would expect better than the cute ploy of trying to link his Muslim roots to Osama.

It's just so uber right wing . tsk tsk

[RNG]

I find it sad that the Osama/Obama crap comes from you. I would expect better than the cute ploy of trying to link his Muslim roots to Osama.

It's just so uber right wing . tsk tsk

Let me buy you a tinfoil hat, then all will be well. If you want to spend time on this here interwebz thingy, you need to chill a bit.

[Wild Bill]

but this idea that he's going to turn Canada into some sort of Libertarian paradise is bunk.

Bunk? It's more than bunk, TB! The very idea that Harper is a Libertarian is the funniest thing I've heard in a week!

[Keepitsimple]

*Puts on tin-foil hat*

In this extremely simplistic view, one may say that Harper is purposefully weakening Canada, albeit slowly, in a secret devious and ideologically motivated plan!!

It's an honest mistake but clearly, you've found your way to the wrong website. Your tinfoil hat may be shining in your eyes......I think you meant to dowse your way to this site:

http://www.paranoiamagazine.com/

[Saipan]

If Harper has Hidden Agenda how come all the lefties already know about it?

There has to be some leak

[normanchateau]

Bunk? It's more than bunk, TB! The very idea that Harper is a Libertarian is the funniest thing I've heard in a week!

I agree. Any Prime Minister who thinks that mere possession of trace quantities of marijuana should remain a crime is no libertarian. Here's Harper:

http://thesheaf.com/2010/03/24/harpers-marijuana-action-plan/

[scribblet]

If Harper has Hidden Agenda how come all the lefties already know about it?

There has to be some leak

Exactly, gosh everyone just knows there's a secret agenda, they've always known - where is though LOL That just doesn't fly anymore.

[capricorn]

If Harper has Hidden Agenda how come all the lefties already know about it?

There has to be some leak

Anti-Harperites do seem to know all Harper's hidden "secrets". Another Harper secret was leaked just today by Torstar, at times known to be a friend of anti-Harperites.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper has secretly ordered his cabinet ministers to clean up their fundraising practices.

The confidential guidelines were issued while the Conservatives were caught up in a series of uproars arising from allegations of unethical conduct.

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The document appears to be a response to the wave of scandals and investigations of Conservatives’ ethical behaviour over the past year.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/870071--harper-quietly-ordered-his-cabinet-ministers-to-clean-up-their-fundraising-activities

Note Torstar says the guidelines were issued secretly in the wake of a wave scandals and investigations and continues on to enumerate this virtual torrent of political sins.

At the time that ethics czar Mary Dawson received the confidential guidelines, she was conducting an in-depth probe of Labour Minister Lisa Raitt in connection with a $250-a-plate fundraising dinner in Toronto in 2009.

Dawson was responding to allegations that Raitt had breached conflict-of-interest rules because tickets to the event were sold by a cement industry lobbyist who had personally lobbied Raitt (then the natural resources minister) on a proposed cement project.

After an investigation, Dawson concluded Raitt had not violated any conflict-of-interest rules because she was not involved in organizing the fundraiser.

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Earlier this year, the ethics commissioner was also investigating alleged violations of conflict-of-interest rules by Conservative MP Rick Dykstra.

The probe arose after Dykstra, the MP for the St. Catharines riding and parliamentary secretary for immigration, held a fundraiser for his riding association in the plush owner’s suite at Rogers Centre last year.

Dawson ruled Dykstra had personally solicited funds for the event but that doing so did not contravene ethics rules for parliamentary secretaries because he had not conducted official business with any those from whom he raised money. The commissioner also concluded there was no problem because “full market value” was paid to rent the suite.

And this wave of scandals would not be complete without mentioning...Guergis/Jaffer.

In recent months, Harper’s government has also been caught up in several high-profile investigations arising from the activities of former Conservative cabinet minister Helena Guergis and her husband, former Conservative MP Rahim Jaffer.

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But the ethics commission, responding to an NDP complaint, decided in April to examine Guergis’ efforts to promote a company linked to her husband. That investigation is still underway.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/870071--harper-quietly-ordered-his-cabinet-ministers-to-clean-up-their-fundraising-activities

Is that the best they could do to support their claim of a wave of Conservative scandals? Three cases, in which two of the Conservatives involved were cleared by the Ethics Commissioner? Maybe Harper haters will get lucky and Guergis will be found at fault. But wait...more than a few of them have taken up Helena's cause against the big, bad Harper after he turfed her. Will they be upset if she is found to have broken the code of conduct or will they be upset if she is cleared?

I won't list the highlights of the "secret" guidelines. The above link does mention them and a Conservative spokesman said the guidelines will be made public shortly.

[RNG]

Since the Libs are bereft of any ideas or values, they have to attack the Conservatives on the basis of the totally false "Hidden Agenda". Great tinfoiling there batpersons.

[jbg]

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The Conservative party may have illegally accepted millions in unreported donations last year because it didn't understand political financing laws.

That's the startling conclusion drawn from testimony given to a Senate committee by the Harper administration's point man on cleaning up government.

*snip*

Are they really that stupid?

Link

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...8/BNStory/Front

And another storage facility with another 20,000 tonnes of oil in it is on fire.

Why would Israel bomb oil storage facilities on the coast?

It's becoming more and more obvious that the goal of this campaign is to destroy Lebanon completely.

All part of Steve Harper's "measured response" I guess.

According to Angus Reid the people who say Harper made the wrong decision on Israel/Lebanon outnumber those who say he made the correct decision by a whopping 13%!!

http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/index.cfm/...em/itemID/12630

It's obvious that his "measured response" comment made on Friday the 13th was pre-mature.

Shortly after we discovered that eight Canadians were killed in this "measured response".

His comment also included the encouragement to Israel to defend itself, characterizing as all of it's actions as just that. Canadians are recognizing that this has gone a little beyond self-defense. One has to wonder if Israel could level Lebanon with nuclear weapons and have Harper call it self-defense.

Harper must have realized he'd dug himself a hole, because he didn't comment again on the crisis until returning from the G8. Then he dug the hole a little deeper:

"Obviously, there's been an ongoing escalation and, frankly, ongoing escalation is inevitable once conflict begins"

Obviously, frankly, things will escalate. Certainly, while there are world leaders roaming around cheering it on so much you'd expect to see pom-poms in their hands.

Harper has failed this test, and this poll is indicitive of that. And consider this poll was done last week, before the current scope of 500,000 displaced Lebanese came into focus.

There seems to be some confusion about the objections to Harpers handling of the Mid-East crisis.

The rightwing pundits are spreading the lie that those opposed to how Harper has handled things want to treat Hezbollah and Israel as moral equals.

*snip*

Starting to see it? THAT is being an honest broker. Being willing to critisize both sides harshly in a fair and open manner.

It DOESN'T mean that we give credance to Hezbollah or take their side. We're concerned with Lebanese civilians and Israeli civilians.

*snip*

That is a fair statement. An honest evaluation that could be made by an honest broker. Instead we have a man who simply repeats that Israel has a right to defend itself and Hezbollah has caused all of this. Not only is that uneccessary to repeat, but it's not fair and honest. Israel controls it's actions, they can not all be blamed on Hezbollah. They are not free from responsibility for what they choose to do.

Canadians more worried about climate change, support Kyoto targets: poll

OTTAWA (CP) - Climate change has jumped dramatically on the scale of Canadians' worries over the last year and most people want the government to meet Kyoto targets, according to an environmental poll.

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national...a1d&k=45318

Good news.

Cue all the tired old opinions that Kyoto is useless. It's so interesting to hear that one....for the thousandth time.

If reports about the Conservative environmental plan are true they are out of step with a huge majority of Canadians on this issue. They should have had more than 70 odd people in their focus group!!

Kind of like saying "Sorry if you're too stupid to see what we were talking about".

What she left out was that it appeared as if the Prime Minister was responding to that particular protester TO PARTISAN IDIOTS. To the rest of the world it just appeared like he was stating he wouldn't be swayed by protesters in general.

Name political donors, Liberals urge top Tories

Ottawa -- Prime Minister Stephen Harper and members of his cabinet who have run for the leadership in the past decade should be asked to divulge the names of their political donors, the Liberal Party's top executive said yesterday.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...PStory/National

Don't hold yer breath. Naming their donors would be death for Harper no doubt. Can you say USA?

Who would have thunk it...the Conservatives hire pollsters to tell them how to act.

Sort of like Frank Luntz I guess....he is a pollster. They're no doubt also following his model on the environment...i.e. don't say "global warming"...say "climate change".

Details here: http://allpoliticsnow.com/content/view/28/1/

scroll to "Luntz advises Conservatives to not talk about “global warming”"

But again....who would have guessed that Conservatives hire pollsters to tell them how to behave!

ON THE ENVIRONMENT OF ALL ISSUES!!!!

I'm flabbergasted.

Focus groups (see "Harper hires polling firm to guide his path on environment" topic) revealed, and now expensive polling PAID FOR BY CANADIANS performed shortly after the election to find out if his five priorities are popular or not?

Harper didn't take long to lose his way on the whole accountability and corruption thing.

WHY ARE WE PAYING FOR WHAT IS CLEARLY PARTISAN POLLING???

He hides from the media like a little boy.

He is a wimp.

And his shills engage in cowardly attacks on the media over nothing. That supposed misrepresentation thing by the CBC is a joke!! I have never seen such a baseless and contrived criticizm before. It is bizarre.

TOUGHEN UP HARPER, FOR GODSAKE.

FACE THE MEDIA, THEY ARE THE PEOPLES REPRESENTATIVE....SO OF COURSE YOU WILL GET TOUGH QUESTIONS.

INSTEAD OF CRYING THAT THE MEDIA DOESNT LOVE YOU JUST ANSWER THEIR QUESIONS.

Yes, I know the lad is not reading this, but perhaps if a shill reads it he or she can pass it on to Steve.

[Shakeyhands]

Wow, all that "hate" from a poster who hasn't as far as I can tell, posted in almost three years... oooooooh the venom.

[Shakeyhands]

Since the Libs are bereft of any ideas or values, they have to attack the Conservatives on the basis of the totally false "Hidden Agenda". Great tinfoiling there batpersons.

That's rich coming from a CPC booster.

[Saipan]

That's rich coming from a CPC booster.

So your only problem is with other posters.

Not bad.