Charlton Heston wants long-gun registry scrapped...

[guyser]

I'm still waiting for the evidence to the 5 million.

Youre waiting for evidence of 5M guns , however you say there are 25M guns.

I figured as much, like the numerous times before , you cant prove a damn thing you say is correct.

Grow up troll.

Edited January 17, 2011 by guyser

[Saipan]

Youre waiting for evidence of 5M guns , however you say there are 25M guns.

Yes, in response to your 5 million. Where did you get it?

[guyser]

Yes, in response to your 5 million. Where did you get it?

I never said 5M. Still stuck on stupid?

[Saipan]

I never said 5M. Still stuck on stupid?

So it's like I said.

[guyser]

So it's like I said.

Post proof of 25M guns as you mentioned . > you said , in response , there 5 times more than that, simnple math says 5 times 5M equals 25M guns.

Show us. Not that you can, or will , but give it a shot.

[Saipan]

Post proof of 25M guns as you mentioned . > you said , in response , there 5 times more than that, simnple math says 5 times 5M equals 25M guns.

How do you know it's 5 million?

1.2 million times 20 = 24. Close enough?

And that is 1.2 REGISTERED handguns. Not total.

[eyeball]

I'm trying to find information on Alzheimer's disease and the possession of guns. Is there any research into or statistics gathered on the incidence of gun violence and senile dementia? What is your Society's feelings about the potential for danger and a need for gun control?

Safety around guns and other weapons is not something that has figured prominently in our work here in Canada; however, I do know that this is an issue on the radar of our colleagues at the Alzheimer Association in the United States. They have woven some information into their materials to assist staff who do home visits in making the safest choices when in a home where firearms are kept. I am afraid I do not know much more than this.

As to research around guns and the safety of people with dementia and those around them, I am afraid we have not done work in this area. I therefore would suggest that you search the journals for articles and research that may have been done in this area.

Alzheimer Society of Canada

I have been looking and here is one study I found into the issue of dementia and guns.

Granny, (Don't) Get Your Gun: Competency Issues in Gun Ownership by Older Adults

Gun ownership among older adults is important for several reasons. First, gun ownership in the U.S. is apparently growing faster among older adults than among any

other age group,4 and according to a Canadian study, the older a person, the more likely

he or she is to own a gun.5

Conclusion

The number of guns owned by older adults is almost certainly increasing as the U.S.

population ages, though it is also clear that “offenses committed by the elderly do not

in any sense constitute a ‘crime wave.’”112 Nonetheless, “[t]he seriousness of the problem is not in its magnitude, present or projected; the significance of the problem is its

uniqueness.”113 Because of the special circumstances concerning crime, and especially

violent crime, committed by older adults, as well as a criminal justice system geared

more toward young offenders, this largely hidden issue raises a host of questions about

economic, social, and justice policies.114

I think this problem is also a difficult one in the sense that dementia like any mental illness is a very sensitive issue that pushes very hard on people's comfort zones. This is reflected in the poor attitudes that so many people have towards mental illness in general as documented in polls of Canadians that reveal half of us still believe mental illness is a personal moral failing that needs to be punished as much as treated. That's probably why the denial of gun-control and a fondness for more crime-control is such an easy sell.

There are obvious costs associated with our proposals that older adults receive periodic “cognitive check-ups” and that governmental and public health agencies undertake

informational campaigns to make people aware of the risks of continued firearm

access in old age. A system that requires older adults to pay some portion of the

costs for the proposed evaluations (of both their cognitive abilities and their ability to

maintain a firearm license) could weigh disproportionately on the poor and deter others

from complying. Some would argue that no one has the right to decide for an elderly

person in failing health whether he should live or use a gun to take his own life.

We acknowledge these concerns, yet we also advocate that this largely hidden issue

be brought to light as the population of older adults with dementia and with access to

firearms proliferates.

To conclude this is a non-issue is false. I say it's one more thing/problem and a growing one as I suspected, that should be added and moved near the top of the number of reasons why the gun registry is next to useless and that real gun controls are a far superior way to go. The only way I could be persuaded to think society can safely and effectively and sanely carry on the way we have been with guns is if I see a major shift in public attitudes towards mental illness and more public spending on treating mental health. More money for cops and prisons instead is just plain stupid and completely misses the point.

As I've pointed out several times in these forums on this issue, guns can still be owned and fired and used by their owners but just store them at shooting ranges and in armouries instead of at home.

Why guns and not...swimming pools? Because they just don't work as well as guns do, even a crazy person realizes that much.

[Shakeyhands]

How do you know it's 5 million?

1.2 million times 20 = 24. Close enough?

And that is 1.2 REGISTERED handguns. Not total.

I'm wondering what kind of gun you own Saipan? Are you a hunter?

[Saipan]

I have been looking and here is one study I found into the issue of dementia and guns.

Any real stats?

How does it compare to cars?

As I've pointed out several times in these forums on this issue, guns can still be owned and fired and used by their owners but just store them at shooting ranges and in armouries instead of at home.

Why?

Did you tell indians?

Why creating supermarket for organized crime?

Leave them on the shooting range in the rain and snow? Guarded by bears?

Why guns and not...swimming pools? Because they just don't work as well as guns do

Have you seen Olympic shooting competition with swimming pools?

[Saipan]

I'm wondering what kind of gun you own Saipan?

Various. Why?

[Shakeyhands]

Various. Why?

Purely curious, you seem to have a lot of skin in the game on this topic.

Birds? Deer? BEAR??? or are you a target/skeet sort of guy?

[Saipan]

Purely curious, you seem to have a lot of skin in the game on this topic.

About as much as in sailing and scuba diving.

Back in Socialist paradise I was clasified as "politically unreliable" Meaning I couldn't own firearms, HAM radio, or passport. But today that country has more freedom than Canada today. So yes I have interest in it. To say the least.

How about you?

[eyeball]

Any real stats?

In the study? There's a few all right, in addition you might note well over a hundred other sources of data and information that were cited by the authors.

How does it compare to cars?

Were you a horse that insisted on dying of dehydration in a previous life by any chance?

See page 14 through 16...of the study.

Have you seen Olympic shooting competition with swimming pools?

Have you seen segnosaur's post on the association between swimming pools and gun control? As MH says, see previous posts on this topic.

[Saipan]

In the study? There's a few all right, in addition you might note well over a hundred other sources of data and information that were cited by the authors.

Canada Stats. Not opinions.

[eyeball]

Canada Stats.

Yes there's some of those too.

Not opinions.

That's right, it's an American study.

[Saipan]

Yes there's some of those too.

That's right, it's an American study.

So what it has to do with our registration/confiscation?

[Shakeyhands]

About as much as in sailing and scuba diving.

Back in Socialist paradise I was clasified as "politically unreliable" Meaning I couldn't own firearms, HAM radio, or passport. But today that country has more freedom than Canada today. So yes I have interest in it. To say the least.

How about you?

I've toyed with hunting over the years, grouse and pheasant mostly. I'd like to get in to duck hunting. Not sure I could bring myself to bring down a deer.

Funny, I sail and dive as well.

Sorry, I assume "Socialist paradise" refers to China?

Edited January 18, 2011 by Shakeyhands

[eyeball]

So what it has to do with our registration/confiscation?

You'll have to read it to find out.

[dre]

About as much as in sailing and scuba diving.

Back in Socialist paradise I was clasified as "politically unreliable" Meaning I couldn't own firearms, HAM radio, or passport. But today that country has more freedom than Canada today. So yes I have interest in it. To say the least.

How about you?

Back in Socialist paradise I was clasified as "politically unreliable" Meaning I couldn't own firearms, HAM radio, or passport.

Hahahhaa classic!

[Saipan]

Hahahhaa classic!

I'm sure it is. But I was lucky. Red Army in China executes those who talk back too much.

Castro did too in his haydays.

[Saipan]

You'll have to read it to find out.

I see you don't really know.

[pinko]

Saipan sails his boat on one of the Great Lakes and is fond of his fascist roots.

[guyser]

Back in Socialist paradise I was clasified as "politically mentally unreliable"

Fixed it for you.

BY the way,you still havent shown anyone where your 25 Million guns come from . Source?

[Saipan]

I've toyed with hunting over the years, grouse and pheasant mostly. I'd like to get in to duck hunting. Not sure I could bring myself to bring down a deer.

I go duck and geese hunting. I use dinghy, no dog. (I'm more of a cat man)

Not many deer here, but I go moose hunting.

Funny, I sail and dive as well.

I recommend Phang Nga Bay, next to Phuket Island. From James Bond Island and South toward Phi Phi island. Probably best sailing and diving area in the world. Went there few times. We drive down from Samut Songram (my wife's home town) [you have to get used to driving on the wrong side like in UK or Australia:) ]

Phi Phi Island is the one from movie The Beach (the smaller one Phi Phi Ley)

Here's someone elses video:

[Saipan]