Political Correctness

[Oleg Bach]

Political correctness is in part - about racism..Take our project blacks who are now young adults - They have no fathers - no religion..no real useful culture and have been debased to the level of n**gers...We created them though this policy based on fancey..BUT the monsters we created are not allowed to be offended..even though they need confrontation in order to point out the fact that they are violent and mindless barbarians....Instead of calling things are they really are so improvement can occur - political correctness is never correct about what caused social collapse within some groups...polical correctness removes the or blocks any valid value system.

What brought this to mind was I witnessed a meeting of African immigrants - THEY HAD CULTURE...They were happy - adjusted and very civilzed - because they had not endure or were the product of racism and polital correctness...where is OUR project BLACK - are subjugated by racism - they have an artifical hip hop culture - that is violent - resentful - revengeful..materialistic and full of hate...a new culture has formed in the last 20 years..it consists of people that have no value for goodness - or human life - Yet - we dare not state that the experiment with the poor blacks and white trash whites is an utter failure.

If a person can not make a true and helpful statement regarding the possible correction of others - because of political correctness..then all is eventually lost.

Barbarism creeps me out - I am feeling less and less comfortable in the core of Toronto - because I am submerged in a sick culture of mental illness - violence...dope - theft and poor merchants that are bitter because they have been taxed to death....But we dare not say that the king has new clothes are you will be persecuted for being right and true..Polical correctness will be the death of us all.

[Shwa]

Political correctness is in part - about racism..Take our project blacks who are now young adults - They have no fathers - no religion..no real useful culture and have been debased to the level of n**gers...We created them though this policy based on fancey..BUT the monsters we created are not allowed to be offended..even though they need confrontation in order to point out the fact that they are violent and mindless barbarians....Instead of calling things are they really are so improvement can occur - political correctness is never correct about what caused social collapse within some groups...polical correctness removes the or blocks any valid value system.

What brought this to mind was I witnessed a meeting of African immigrants - THEY HAD CULTURE...They were happy - adjusted and very civilzed - because they had not endure or were the product of racism and polital correctness...where is OUR project BLACK - are subjugated by racism - they have an artifical hip hop culture - that is violent - resentful - revengeful..materialistic and full of hate...a new culture has formed in the last 20 years..it consists of people that have no value for goodness - or human life - Yet - we dare not state that the experiment with the poor blacks and white trash whites is an utter failure.

If a person can not make a true and helpful statement regarding the possible correction of others - because of political correctness..then all is eventually lost.

Barbarism creeps me out - I am feeling less and less comfortable in the core of Toronto - because I am submerged in a sick culture of mental illness - violence...dope - theft and poor merchants that are bitter because they have been taxed to death....But we dare not say that the king has new clothes are you will be persecuted for being right and true..Polical correctness will be the death of us all.

WOW!

As an example of what bloodyminded was getting at in the OP, perfectly done there Oleg, by drawing 'racism' and 'political correctness' into the same orbit. Perfectly done my man! We have come full circle, so to speak.

By the way, you forgot to address those who might otherwise be known as 'OUR project WHITEs' and 'OUR project BROWNs.' Plenty of them throughout the projects of Toronto and other cities. Do they factor in your thoughts too and, if so, how?

Polical correctness will be the death of us all.

Do you mind editing out the word 'death' please? It is a little too harsh, a little too hyperbolic and really not all that accurate. You might use the word 'end' or 'finish.'

Thanks!

[Pliny]

We will have to "leave that one" ? What does that mean ? Your accusation is baseless, and if your argument depends on it then you've already lost.

Precisely. I have already lost. It is entirely and can only be assumptive.

Modern western democracy, I would say, starts with the 13 colonies declaration of independence, circa 1776 ?

Universal Suffrage

Part of a modern democracy is universal suffrage. The United States did not have universal suffrage guaranteed until the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

The Constitution of the United States did not make it a Democracy. It made it an aristocratic republic. Only land owners and taxpayers could vote initially, women and blacks were entirely excluded.

The first territory to have universal suffrage was the Territory of Wyoming in 1869. The first country to have universal suffrage was New Zealand in 1893.

So there we have a start of the timeline for modern democracy.

European countries were mostly constitutional monarchies until after WW I.

An interesting statistic on voting patterns is in the socialist trend at every expansion of the electorate and the decline of the classical liberal. (Liberals back then were about small government, liberty and freedom of the individual)

It is taken from Democracy: The God that Failed by Hans Hermann-Hoppe page 96 footnote 3.

Germany at each expansion of the electorate in the years 1871, 1903 and 1919 the total number of votes cast was 4.1, 9.5 and 30.5 million respectively. The socialist turnout was 3, 32 and 46% respectively. The Liberal voter turnout was 46, 22 and 23 percent respectively.

Italy 1895, 1913 and 1919 total number of votes 1.3 5.1 and 5.8 million. Socialist voter turnout was 7 18 and 32% respectively and Liberal turnout was 80, 56 and 35%

United Kingdom 1906 and 1918 7.3 and 21.4 million votes. Socialist turnout 5 and 21% Liberal turnout 49 and 25%

Sweden 1905, 1911 and 1921 voter turnout was .2, .6 and 1.7 million. Socialist turnout was 9, 28 and 36% Liberal turnout 45, 40 and 19%. respectively.

So modern democracy in the state we see it today did not exist until 1893 and it's establishment in the world occurred over the next say fifty or sixty years and has thus existed a very short time, perhaps seventy years.

[Michael Hardner]

Universal Suffrage

Part of a modern democracy is universal suffrage. The United States did not have universal suffrage guaranteed until the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

The Constitution of the United States did not make it a Democracy. It made it an aristocratic republic. Only land owners and taxpayers could vote initially, women and blacks were entirely excluded.

The first territory to have universal suffrage was the Territory of Wyoming in 1869. The first country to have universal suffrage was New Zealand in 1893.

So there we have a start of the timeline for modern democracy.

Interesting enough... but taxes also headed downwards shortly after 1965. Isn't your theory that full democracy will tend to vote tax increases in ?

So modern democracy in the state we see it today did not exist until 1893 and it's establishment in the world occurred over the next say fifty or sixty years and has thus existed a very short time, perhaps seventy years.

The same people, though, vote in right wing governments regularly, right ?

[bush_cheney2004]

The Constitution of the United States did not make it a Democracy. It made it an aristocratic republic. Only land owners and taxpayers could vote initially, women and blacks were entirely excluded.

This is false...free black males of standing could vote in early America (see Free Men and Freemen). By the standards of the day, the newly formed American republic was very much a democracy.

Edited September 28, 2010 by bush_cheney2004

[Pliny]

Interesting enough... but taxes also headed downwards shortly after 1965. Isn't your theory that full democracy will tend to vote tax increases in ?

Overall taxes have increased. Income taxes may have decreased for some, Michael but the GST didn't exist until Mulroney brought it in. And Turdeau preferred deficit spending to being perceived as increasing taxes.

Politicians love to tell you that they decreased taxes. However, they wouldn't be happy if revenues dropped. Have revenues dropped since 1965 Michael?

My theory is that people will make demands for privileges and benefits from government with their votes.

The same people, though, vote in right wing governments regularly, right ?

Right wing voters are just voting for the benefits and privileges they prefer - and they aren't the same people as left wing voters.

Edited September 29, 2010 by Pliny

[Michael Hardner]

Overall taxes have increased. Income taxes may have decreased for some, Michael but the GST didn't exist until Mulroney brought it in. And Turdeau preferred deficit spending to being perceived as increasing taxes.

So the overall burden has shifted downwards, but have taxes increased overall in real terms ?

Politicians love to tell you that they decreased taxes. However, they wouldn't be happy if revenues dropped. Have revenues dropped since 1965 Michael?

Have they increased ?

Let's look into this together.

[Pliny]

This is false...free black males of standing could vote in early America (see Free Men and Freemen). By the standards of the day, the newly formed American republic was very much a democracy.

A quick glance at Free Men and Freemen didn't produce much info except for guilds.

I think, if I remember, right you are correct and some Blacks did gain the right to vote. But my point is that universal suffrage for adults was not actually achieved in the US until the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

Not only that but you have to check out the Electoral College and it's history as well.

The modern democracy you are thinking of is not the democracy of 1776 and could it even be considered a democracy if all did not have the vote?

[Pliny]

So the overall burden has shifted downwards, but have taxes increased overall in real terms ?

Downwards?

Have they increased ?

Let's look into this together.

Ok. Although I believe I have been over this ground a few times already. I'll dig up what I can.

Edited September 29, 2010 by Pliny

[bush_cheney2004]

I think, if I remember, right you are correct and some Blacks did gain the right to vote. But my point is that universal suffrage for adults was not actually achieved in the US until the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

The point is moot, as there are still legal barriers to voting (e.g. US territories, D.C., etc.) My purpose in pointing out that free blacks of standing could vote as well as women suffrage in states/territories as relayed by another member was to anounce the complexity of the historical record.

Not only that but you have to check out the Electoral College and it's history as well.

Correct..it's all well documented, and cannot be judged just on a modern standard. Women, Asians, Natives, etc. all have a varied voting experience in America (and Canada).

The modern democracy you are thinking of is not the democracy of 1776 and could it even be considered a democracy if all did not have the vote?

Yes....as democracy is a process in whole or in part as defined by the law of the land. Minors, felons, mentally disabled, etc. do not get to vote either.

Edited September 29, 2010 by bush_cheney2004

[Pliny]

1878 to 1975

Revenues from 1965 to 1975 went from 8Billion to 24 Billion.

I found another chart at Stats can showing a revenue increase every year from 2005 to 2009 except 2008.

Of course that was a panic year.

[Pliny]

The point is moot, as there are still legal barriers to voting (e.g. US territories, D.C., etc.) My purpose in pointing out that free blacks of standing could vote as well as women suffrage in states/territories as relayed by another member was to anounce the complexity of the historical record.

Correct..it's all well documented, and cannot be judged just on a modern standard. Women, Asians, Natives, etc. all have a varied voting experience in America (and Canada).

Yes....as democracy is a process in whole or in part as defined by the law of the land. Minors, felons, mentally disabled, etc. do not get to vote either.

Ok. In Canada felons do have the vote.

[Michael Hardner]

Downwards?

Yes - the overall tax rate has gone down for the top earners, so ... has it gone up for those downwards on the salary scale ?

[Michael Hardner]

1878 to 1975

Revenues from 1965 to 1975 went from 8Billion to 24 Billion.

I found another chart at Stats can showing a revenue increase every year from 2005 to 2009 except 2008.

Of course that was a panic year.

Ok. The link didn't work. I found this link...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:GAO_Slide.png

seems to state that taxes are roughly level, but spending increases...

[Pliny]

Ok. The link didn't work. I found this link...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:GAO_Slide.png

seems to state that taxes are roughly level, but spending increases...

I'm searching Canadian stats.

I'm surprised that link doesn't work. Here's one from 2005 - 2009

2005- 2009

So revenues were roughly 8 billion in 1965 and today are 240 Billion. They went up about 10-15 billion every year from 2005 - 2009, except 2008 where they dropped 13 Billion. Not to worry though a $50 Billion dollar stimulus package saved the government from bankruptcy.

The population in 1965 was roughly 20 Billion and today is 34 Billion. That means revenues were about $.40/person in 1965 and today are just over $7.00/person. Factor in inflation and it is still probably about 5 times per person difference.

Deficit spending added to revenues would tell us the actual spending of the government.

Edited September 29, 2010 by Pliny