Gun Control

[Smallc]

I'm pretty sure they would have solved it without the registry, however, my question about how it has prevented a crime has not been addressed.

Well, maybe if we see the report, we'll find out. I would have thought that something that now costs almost nothing and definitely helps solve crimes would have been enough for the throw them in jail crowd, who seem to care little about actual crime prevention.

[PIK]

Well then you don't live in a typical country area.

I live in the ottawa valley it is as country as you get.

[Smallc]

I live in the ottawa valley it is as country as you get.

No, it is most definitely not. Try the rural prairies, and then tell me you live in the most country area possible.

[PIK]

Well, I live in a rural area, and I can tell you that there are many places with bullet holes in the sign...and it isn't just this rural area. The surrounding areas are very similar. I'm not saying that there are always bullet riddled signs, but it happens every year or so to a few of them.

Then maybe you have a problem in winnipeg and is it the hunter or a group of people with a drinking problem, you know the poor saps that your police like to drop off outside of town in the winter?

[Smallc]

I don't live in Winnipeg. I simply say that I do. I live somewhere much smaller...and I'm not sure why you're taking a jab at the Winnipeg Police, since they have nothing to do with this.

[PIK]

I don't live in Winnipeg. I simply say that I do. I live somewhere much smaller...and I'm not sure why you're taking a jab at the Winnipeg Police, since they have nothing to do with this.

Just a jab period at winnipeg, I hate the bombers. lol But I live in the whitetail capital in canada and hunting is huge in these parts and we don't have any problem with guns. I know of one guy being shot in my area in years and the hunter made the mistake and paid for it.Good chance there are more guns here per cap then anywhere else in canada. So you can guess at the protesting around here.

[scribblet]

Well, maybe if we see the report, we'll find out. I would have thought that something that now costs almost nothing and definitely helps solve crimes would have been enough for the throw them in jail crowd, who seem to care little about actual crime prevention.

Almost nothing - you are not serious, at the very minimum there are about 240 federal employees working in that dept. If you use a minimum salary of $35,000. each, plus benefits, work that one out, and that's only a start. With benefits I bet it's 5 million, some of those would be supervisors and managers making a lot more than that.

[Alta4ever]

The fact that it didn't prevent this particular crime somehow negates that it helped solve it? What a twisted world Conservative supporters seem to live in.

What a twisted world you live in. If it doesn't prevent the crime why bother, it doesn't make us any safer?

If its about solving crime and making the job easier for the police why don't we just suspend another right and let the police conduct unwarranted search and seizure. I'm sure they could solve a lot more crimes without all of that extra paperwork.

[Smallc]

What a twisted world you live in. If it doesn't prevent the crime why bother, it doesn't make us any safer?

That's funny, because last I checked, most Conservatives were all about putting people in jail to make the streets safer. Again, last I checked, solving crime helps to do that...and the registry doesn't take away your rights.

[Smallc]

With benefits I bet it's 5 million, some of those would be supervisors and managers making a lot more than that.

The registry costs only a few million dollars a year. That isn't much for a program in a $280B budget.

[PIK]

The registry costs only a few million dollars a year. That isn't much for a program in a $280B budget.

Give up,the registry is a joke ,it has divide the country,so let it die and then we can move on to something else.

[ToadBrother]

The registry costs only a few million dollars a year. That isn't much for a program in a $280B budget.

And, of course, it's keep all the urban folks safe from mad farmers with hunting rifles, which have proven such a risk to city living in the last few years, what with the end of illegal handguns, semi-automatics and automatics not being seen on the streets of Toronto or Montreal any more.

[Smallc]

Give up,the registry is a joke ,it has divide the country,

It's not the registry that has divided rural and urban Canada...and getting rid of the registry won't eliminate that divide.

[ToadBrother]

It's not the registry that has divided rural and urban Canada...and getting rid of the registry won't eliminate that divide.

It might go some distance to showing that urbanites aren't completely delusional.

[Smallc]

It might go some distance to showing that urbanites aren't completely delusional.

Since people in urban areas generally support the registry, I see little reason why their representatives should vote against it. Urbanites are no more delusional than people in rural areas...in fact, being from a rural area myself, I'd say that in some areas, they're less so.

[Alta4ever]

Since people in urban areas generally support the registry, I see little reason why their representatives should vote against it. Urbanites are no more delusional than people in rural areas...in fact, being from a rural area myself, I'd say that in some areas, they're less so.

Obviously they are delusional since they don't know the difference between restricted, prohibited and legal guns. They don't know the difference between a long gun and a hand gun, and that they fail to comprehend that criminals don't register their weapons, and have this idea that a long gun registry will some how reduce gun violence.

[Smallc]

Obviously they are delusional since they don't know the difference between restricted, prohibited and legal guns. They don't know the difference between a long gun and a hand gun, and that they fail to comprehend that criminals don't register their weapons, and have this idea that a long gun registry will some how reduce gun violence.

You do realize that crimes are committed with registered long guns, right? That crimes against police are more often committed with registered long guns? That the registry helps solve crime against police and others?

[Alta4ever]

You do realize that crimes are committed with registered long guns, right? That crimes against police are more often committed with registered long guns? That the registry helps solve crime against police and others?

How often is that they are stolen when the crime is committed?

[dre]

The registry makes good sense, despite the fact it was poorly executed. The problem though is that you need to combine that with policies that address the influx of handguns to Canadian cities. Id set up a manadatory minimum sentence for anyone caught smuggling guns from the US to Canada of about 20 years. And then Id do a series of buy-back programs to help get existing guns off the street.

[scribblet]

You do realize that crimes are committed with registered long guns, right? That crimes against police are more often committed with registered long guns? That the registry helps solve crime against police and others?

Do you have a source and data for that ?

[scribblet]

check this out - now the chiefs are going after law abiding citizens in retaliation for opposing the registry.

http://nfa.ca/operation-zero-tolerance

Canada’s National Firearms Association announces Operation Zero Tolerance to expose planned gun control abuses. It has come to the attention of Canada's National Firearms Association that the political police chief heads of law enforcement associations are planning a nation wide blitz against licensed firearms owners, as retribution for the political action of the Canadian firearms community that has resulted in the final vote in parliament of Manitoba MP Candice Hoeppner's Bill C-391.

The Canadian Association of Police Chiefs (CAPC) has formed a "National Firearms Policy" in order to coordinate enforcement initiatives against licensed firearms owners with registered firearms. Canada's National Firearms Association has information that CACP will be directing their members to clamp down on licensed firearms owners with registered firearms as punishment for their political action to reform bad firearms control laws.

* All paperwork offenses will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, despite the current limited federal government amnesty which ends in May 2011.

* Home inspections will be performed on an ever increasing basis on firearms owners with more than ten registered firearms, and all restricted and prohibited firearms owners.

* Registered firearms will be seized despite their legal use or status, with the onus put on their owners to navigate the firearms bureaucracy and legal system in order to retrieve them. Furthermore, CACP will lobby for a national handgun ban, the confiscation of all registered handguns in Canada, and the reclassification of all semi automatic firearms as "Restricted" or "Prohibited" firearms.

cont...

[Smallc]

And it is that kind of operation that makes me support that abolition of the registry.

[segnosaur]

check this out - now the chiefs are going after law abiding citizens in retaliation for opposing the registry.

http://nfa.ca/operation-zero-tolerance

Canada’s National Firearms Association announces Operation Zero Tolerance to expose planned gun control abuses. It has come to the attention of Canada's National Firearms Association that the political police chief heads of law enforcement associations are planning a nation wide blitz against licensed firearms owners, as retribution for the political action of the Canadian firearms community that has resulted in the final vote in parliament of Manitoba MP Candice Hoeppner's Bill C-391.

Just out of curiosity, is there any sort of independent verification for that? The reference given points to a National Firearms Association web site (not that I'm saying they are necessarily a deceptive organization; I'd just like an unbiased opinion.)

There are some valid reasons to oppose the gun registry. I just don't want any valid reasons to be lost amongst a bunch of paranoid conspiracy theories.

[ToadBrother]

You do realize that crimes are committed with registered long guns, right? That crimes against police are more often committed with registered long guns? That the registry helps solve crime against police and others?

I eagerly await the statistical evidence to back this one up.

[ToadBrother]

Since people in urban areas generally support the registry, I see little reason why their representatives should vote against it. Urbanites are no more delusional than people in rural areas...in fact, being from a rural area myself, I'd say that in some areas, they're less so.

The long-gun registry doesn't make urban environments safer. What would make urban environments safer is stricter border controls and long jail sentences for gun smugglers.