Freedom of Speech and Member's Signature

[M.Dancer]

I know it's very complicated, MDancer... but the last thing which you quoted me in your previous message, should be enough for you to figure it out, if you try very hard. One must exercise ones mental faculties regularloy

The last thing I quoted doesn't jive with the other things I quoted...to me it sounds like post hoc back tracking after you realized his sig was not racist nor was it particularly inflammatory.

[Jack Weber]

The last thing I quoted doesn't jive with the other things I quoted...to me it sounds like post hoc back tracking after you realized his sig was not racist nor was it particularly inflammatory.

I thought his complete misunderstanding of JBG's defending of the offending sig was pretty much where things went off the rails...

[Sir Bandelot]

after you realized his sig was not racist

Before you launch into a lengthy diatribe about the meaning of the word "race", let me spare you the time. I do not concede that. Us and them is equivalent to racialism, along braod lines. I find it amuzing that JBG, who feels Us and Them to be an important enough idea to be in his signature, criticises someone else who is also highly concerned about us and them. But of course, the good news is, Us and Them is now gone from JBG's signature.

But apparently for this I am the one who is "post hoc back tracking", by his residant apologists. God I love the irony!

Edited August 25, 2010 by Sir Bandelot

[M.Dancer]

Before you launch into a lengthy diatribe about the meaning of the word "race", let me spare you the time. I do not concede that. Us and them is equivalent to racialism, along braod lines. I find it amuzing that JBG, who feels Us and Them to be an important enough idea to be in his signature, criticises someone else who is also highly concerned about us and them. But of course, the good news is, Us and Them is now gone from JBG's signature.

But apparently for this I am the one who is "post hoc back tracking", by his residant apologists. God I love the irony!

Let me get this straight...you said it was racialism (sic) then said it wasn't, now you say it is.

Since when are Us and Them races? For arguments sake, lets consider the English Civil War...

[Jack Weber]

Let me get this straight...you said it was racialism (sic) then said it wasn't, now you say it is.

Since when are Us and Them races? For arguments sake, lets consider the English Civil War...

Let's make it simpler...

Original Star Trek...

Beal vs Loki...

[jefferiah]

Of course you would.

And here is your sig:

"If it's us or them, I choose us."

That is a pretty sensible signature. It begins with the word If. This implies that if the situation has no other alternative you would choose your own (whether or not your own refers to race or family or some other group you belong to).

Imagine for instance that a neighboring family had some sort of feud with your own Mr. Bandelot. One night you are sleeping and this other family decided to attack you. You have tried reasoning with them, but right now they are brandishing chainsaws and heading for your children's rooms. I can respect the ideal that you try to be understanding of all sides, but when you have reached the point where there are no other alternatives than "US" or "THEM" my assumption is you would also choose us.

I don't recall the Jews actually being a threat to German existence. So there is no comparison between JBG's condemnation of this former fellow poster's signature and your condemnation of his.

Edited August 25, 2010 by jefferiah

[Sir Bandelot]

That is a pretty sensible signature. It begins with the word If. This implies that if the situation has no other alternative you would choose your own (whether or not your own refers to race or family or some other group you belong to).

Indeed I think it is, jefferiah. Indeed I think it is...

But let us not be so sensitive as to say, we should not allow a discussion of race and its benefits. I think if you look back more closely at what jbg wrote in the OP, you'll see that it is HE who takes an issue with it. Not I!

I don't recall the Jews actually being a threat to German existence. So there is no comparison between JBG's condemnation of this former fellow poster's signature and your condemnation of his.

It's not really about Germany, is it? Or maybe it is, for JBG. He can answer to that if he wants to.

I'm saying, once we talk about us and them, we're already entering the realm that separates people into groups, along certain lines. But, NOT THAT THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT.

I'm saying, in and of itself there's nothing actually wrong with that!

[M.Dancer]

Let's make it simpler...

Original Star Trek...

Beal vs Loki...

Even simpler..

Uhura or Yeoman Rand...

The right answer is both.

[Sir Bandelot]

Let me get this straight...you said it was racialism (sic) then said it wasn't, now you say it is.

Since when are Us and Them races? For arguments sake, lets consider the English Civil War...

Racialism is a just a single word. Misspelled, yes. there may not even be such a word.

Meanwhile, Us and Them is a larger idea. It includes racialism, but also other possibilities. My hockey team versus your hockey team.

What about the English Civil War. Are there no clans? are there no tribes? My skin is white, as yours may be, although doubtful, and yet we are not necessarily the same. How many races are there

[M.Dancer]

What about the English Civil War. Are there no clans? are there no tribes? My skin is white, as yours may be, although doubtful, and yet we are not necessarily the same. How many races are there

In the context you have just put forth, us or them could be me or you. To ascribe racist overtones (or undertones) to it is ludicrous. It is PCism to the point of absurdity and should be mocked till it runs away ashamed of its own stupidity.

[jefferiah]

[quote name='Sir Bandelot' date='25 August 2010 - 06:35 PM' timestamp='1282772116' post='573796'

It's not really about Germany, is it? Or maybe it is, for JBG. He can answer to that if he wants to.

It is about Germany in the sense that you compared his signature with that of the poster. It was not an US or THEM situation for the Germans. They did not have to kill millions of THEM in order to maintain the US.

Edited August 25, 2010 by jefferiah

[Jack Weber]

Even simpler..

Uhura or Yeoman Rand...

The right answer is both.

I agree!!!!

[Sir Bandelot]

In the context you have just put forth, us or them could be me or you. To ascribe racist overtones (or undertones) to it is ludicrous. It is PCism to the point of absurdity and should be mocked till it runs away ashamed of its own stupidity.

Incorrect, as it is actually you who are afraid to accept the idea that placing value on race is ok. By saying, how dare I accuse you and the other bedwetters of racism. I have no probelm with that

[M.Dancer]

Incorrect, as it is actually you who are afraid to accept the idea that placing value on race is ok.

I can't say which would take precedence, the irrelevance of your statement or your inability to prove it...never the less, like your ever changing argument, it defines you and your inability to debate intelligently.

By saying, how dare I accuse you and the other bedwetters of racism. I have no probelm with that

Of course not. You're not smart enough to even comprehend how silly you have been. Your position on J's sig has been like a horse's with a bobbed tail swatting flies... which pretty much describes your position. Futile and foolish. Please carry on.

[Sir Bandelot]

I can't say which would take precedence, the irrelevance of your statement or your inability to prove it...never the less, like your ever changing argument, it defines you and your inability to debate intelligently.

You're not smart enough to even comprehend how silly you have been. Your position on J's sig has been like a horse's with a bobbed tail swatting flies... which pretty much describes your position. Futile and foolish. Please carry on.

Your ability to invert facts into their complete opposite is duly noted. Meanwhile your dogs are sniffing around for scraps, I see. Maybe a lifting of the tail is in order?

Despite your protestations of the futility of my posts, I did manage to effect some change. "If it's us or them..." has gone away. And that is "irrefutable" evidence.

Please carry on with your obfuscations, I know how necessary it is at times like this... to save face. Any kind of face saving in your case, will be an improvement...

[kimmy]

So you really have no problem with it then.

But you fail to recognize, your sig is just as racialist as the one that you posted about,

irregardless

I've always believed that the "us" and "them" in jbg's signature refer to "us" being western democracies, and "them" being stone-age kooks. It never even entered my head that the "us" and "them" referred to race.

I think your assumption that he must have been referring to race says more about you than about him.

-k

[M.Dancer]

Despite your protestations of the futility of my posts, I did manage to effect some change. "If it's us or them..." has gone away. And that is "irrefutable" evidence.

for a piece of fluff you sure do have an inflated image of yourself.

[Army Guy]

Despite your protestations of the futility of my posts, I did manage to effect some change. "If it's us or them..." has gone away. And that is "irrefutable" evidence.

Please carry on with your obfuscations, I know how necessary it is at times like this... to save face. Any kind of face saving in your case, will be an improvement...

You should be proud of effecting change, regardless of just how small it truely is...you've brow beat someone into submission, jbg willingness to conform to your petty PC rules...even after he explained to you the true meaning behind his signature statement....and you have said nothing about the large turds sitting in front of your face, which reaks of ultimate racism....Germany's SS were and still are today the leaders of hate and racist bullshit being spread around the world. SO huray for your victory , just don't slip on the huge pile of shit when you leave.....

I've also changed my signature block, to reflect jbgs old signature...

[Sir Bandelot]

You should be proud of effecting change, regardless of just how small it truely is...you've brow beat someone into submission, jbg willingness to conform to your petty PC rules...even after he explained to you the true meaning behind his signature statement....and you have said nothing about the large turds sitting in front of your face, which reaks of ultimate racism

I have been a bully, and I am sorry.

[bloodyminded]

I have been a bully, and I am sorry.

Good man. We should all take note.

[jbg]

I have been a bully, and I am sorry.

Good man. We should all take note.

And this has what to do with neo-Nazi signatures and freedom to abuse the rights it gives?

[GostHacked]

And this has what to do with neo-Nazi signatures and freedom to abuse the rights it gives?

He was commenting on how Sir Bandelot was being a bully in this thread and he apologized for it. Bloodyminded was saying that Sir B was admitting he was wrong for being the bully, because it's not often that people on this board or any board apologize for their actions or words after they find out they've done something wrong.

Edited August 31, 2010 by GostHacked

[jbg]

He was commenting on how Sir Bandelot was being a bully in this thread and he apologized for it. Bloodyminded was saying that Sir B was admitting he was wrong for being the bully, because it's not often that people on this board or any board apologize for their actions or words after they find out they've done something wrong.

Thanks for the explanation.

[mikedavid00]

This is a signature for one of the posters at MLW:

I will defend to my death his right to spout this kind of utter nonesense. It should be condemned, not banned; ridiculed, not suppressed.

I don't see a problem with the statement at all.

Of course, some of you should read up on the funding sources of this forum. Again members of this forum are always mis-informed or beside the real issue.

The owners of this forum cannot do things to jeopardize funding. That's the real issue at hand here.