What should we have done with the Tamil ship?

[eyeball]

I never said they wanted to come here. Corporations have more to offer than criminals of the Tamil Tiger kind. You know that of course. You alos know that the crack about corporations moviung about without blah blah blah is a strawman. Of coure though, that is normal for you. In the 30s the socialists vilified the Jews. Quasi facsists today vilify corporations.

I just think corporations should be treated like any other person.

Some corporations are no better than criminals so it's not a straw man at all. A lot of people become refugees because of the corrupting influence corporations have on various governments and warlords.

Your crack about corporations simply reflects the assumption that they fart rainbows and sprinkle fairy dust everywhere they go no matter what.

In the 30's corporations bankrolled the people who vilified the Jews. Quasi liars today vilify their opponents by implying they're Nazis.

[ToadBrother]

In the 30's corporations bankrolled the people who vilified the Jews. Quasi liars today vilify their opponents by implying they're Nazis.

Wow, THE corporations? All of them? Every single corporation out there in the 1930s bankrolled the Nazis?

I think I get your problem. The part of your brain that sits between "silly naked assertions" and "type them out" that's supposed to go "hmmm... maybe that's a bit too silly" doesn't function.

Edited August 31, 2010 by ToadBrother

[eyeball]

Wow, THE corporations? All of them? Every single corporation out there in the 1930s bankrolled the Nazis?

I think I get your problem. The part of your brain that sits between "silly naked assertions" and "type them out" that's supposed to go "hmmm... maybe that's a bit too silly" doesn't function.

STFU, I never "THE" or even "all of them". Is every single refugee a criminal?

What part of your brain is it that always leaps to the most ridiculous conclusions about what people mean, the part that farts a lot apparently.

[ToadBrother]

STFU, I never "THE" or even "all of them". Is every single refugee a criminal?

What part of your brain is it that always leaps to the most ridiculous conclusions about what people mean, the part that farts a lot apparently.

You're the one that suggested that "corporations" without qualifier of any kind were helping out the Nazis, and seemed to be suggesting that this have somehow must apply to corporations, again without qualifier.

What is it exactly that you meant?

[eyeball]

You're the one that suggested that "corporations" without qualifier of any kind were helping out the Nazis, and seemed to be suggesting that this have somehow must apply to corporations, again without qualifier.

What is it exactly that you meant?

That human beings should have the same rights corporations do when it comes to moving about the planet in search of better opportunities.

Why didn't you jump down Morris' throat when he said "the socialists" vilified the Jews?

[M.Dancer]

While I get your point, I'm having a little trouble equating corporations to Jews.

They are both scapegoats...

[M.Dancer]

Why didn't you jump down Morris' throat when he said "the socialists" vilified the Jews?

Because "the" socialists did...whether they were international or national socialists...

[marvc]

The third option seems the most morally reasonable to me!

Edited September 2, 2010 by marvc

[eyeball]

Because "the" socialists did...whether they were international or national socialists...

Scapegoater.

[M.Dancer]

Scapegoater.

History, meet Eyeball...Eyeball, meet History

[Muddy]

I voted to process them. But with some changes to our laws. If one lie is told, send them back. No relationship can start with a lie. If refugees they are then so be it. But if they are to be refugees and head back to their home land a short time later bar the bloody door! They are not true refugees.They lied! The onus should be on them to prove their case. Not Canada`s to disprove.Liars should be bounced immediately. There are honest hard working people standing in line trying and yearning to get the chance to immigrate here. Why should they be put further behind by liars and sadly some criminals from the Tamil Tigers.

[wyly]

I voted to process them. But with some changes to our laws. If one lie is told, send them back. No relationship can start with a lie. If refugees they are then so be it. But if they are to be refugees and head back to their home land a short time later bar the bloody door! They are not true refugees.They lied! The onus should be on them to prove their case. Not Canada`s to disprove.Liars should be bounced immediately. There are honest hard working people standing in line trying and yearning to get the chance to immigrate here. Why should they be put further behind by liars and sadly some criminals from the Tamil Tigers.

good point, one of the problems stopping it is the RCMP can't identify the captain or crew and charge them with human smuggling, they blend in with the passengers on arrival...simple solution as you suggest one by one ask the passengers who the captain is if they refuse/lie reject any refugee claim on the spot, do this and someone will talk PDQ...there is a criminal charge for human trafficking an article in today's paper claims it has a maximum life sentence, throw the captain and crew in prison for 10-15 yrs and the ships will stop coming instantly...

[justme]

I'd say this is a good course of action. Arrest the Captain, and send the ship on it's way with the rest of it's crew and ban that ship from entering any Canadian port in the future.

Nearly a year after the first ship, the Ocean Lady, arrived, the RCMP still cannot locate the captain or crew....

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/848057--tamil-boat-people-in-good-health

It builds the confidence doesn't it?

By the way, the Sun Sea was bought by a company called Sun & Rshiya. It's the only ship in their fleet, and once they bought it, they never filed another paper - missing the deadline for the 2009 mandatory statement. In other words, it was a bogus company started for the sole purpose of using a single ship for smuggling. If it only works once, set up another bogus company and buy another ship. At 40-50k per passenger, it is profitable enough for them to keep doing it. Trying to stop it in the way you suggest would be like playing a game of wack a mole.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/the-impossible-voyage-of-a-tamil-ghost-ship/article1680852/%20The%20%E2%80%98impossible%E2%80%99%20voyage%20of%20a%20Tamil%20ghost%20ship/

The only real way to deal with it effectively is to exercise Canadian sovereignty and say no to an obvious scam. The government says that there may be legal issues to doing that, which is why, they say, they let the ship enter Canadian water. However, any legal issues would be based on the argument that they are refugees, and all Ottawa has to do is ask a simple question in response to that: If they are refugees, why did they not go to the nearest safe country instead of paying smugglers to take them around the world, passing the United States along the way, to get to Canada? Real refugees do not pay smugglers 40-50k and target a specific country.