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[bjre]

Not any more anyway...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao:_The_Unknown_Story#Number_of_deaths_under_Mao

And of course, like many tryrants, he was a sex addict...

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,975036-1,00.html#ixzz0x4sjYIvu

Lies, has something to do with CIA of course.

[M.Dancer]

Saddam took power from him a few years later.

So the west weren't as you said "you also need to look at western complicity ...and how he came into power"

The west had nothing to do with Saddam siezing power.

The invasion by the British had more to do with the Nazis gaining access to iraqi oil....than fears of the british losing access.

Wetern support of Iraq didn't make many inroads till the 80s...not until they started fighting the Itanians.

[M.Dancer]

Lies, has something to do with CIA of course.

Of course, that's a loyal slave's response.

[Jack Weber]

Lies, has something to do with CIA of course.

Of course...

Because Communist mass murderers have never ever controlled the media to cover up their bloodthirsty mass killings before...

Of course,it's a CIA plot...

[bjre]

Of course, that's a loyal slave's response.

Of course, you don't respect hard work that feed people like you. You want take more advantage to take more wealth by "democracy" and "laws" for yourself so that you can enjoy happy life without work, am I right?

[dre]

So the west weren't as you said "you also need to look at western complicity ...and how he came into power"

The west had nothing to do with Saddam siezing power.

The invasion by the British had more to do with the Nazis gaining access to iraqi oil....than fears of the british losing access.

Wetern support of Iraq didn't make many inroads till the 80s...not until they started fighting the Itanians.

Western stupidity and the imposition of regimes for the purpose of furthering their own self interest created the situation that allowed the baath party to take control. And westerners were also responsible for the Sunni majority being in a position to take control in the first place, and having a disproportionate share of wealth and power.

Faced with spiraling costs and influenced by the public protestations of war hero T. E. Lawrence in The Times, Britain replaced Arnold Wilson in October 1920 with new Civil Commissioner Sir Percy Cox. Cox managed to quell the rebellion, yet was also responsible for implementing the fateful policy of close cooperation with Iraq's Sunni minority.[31][32]

In the Mandate period and beyond, the British supported the traditional, Sunni leadership (such as the tribal shaykhs) over the growing, urban-based nationalist movement. The Land Settlement Act gave the tribal shaykhs the right to register the communal tribal lands in their own name. The Tribal Disputes Regulations gave them judiciary rights, whereas the Peasants' Rights and Duties Act of 1933 severely reduced the tenants', forbidding them to leave the land unless all their debts to the landlord had been settled. The British resorted to military force when their interests were threatened, as in the 1941 Rashīd `Alī al-Gaylānī coup. This coup led to a British invasion of Iraq using forces from the British Indian Army and the Arab Legion from Jordan.

When you invade a place OVER AND OVER AND OVER again to further your own self interest and set up a string of autocratic dictators and monarchs, it has consequences. The consequences in this case was that during the British mandate Sunni Arabs (by collaborating with the British) ended up assuming the vast majority of power and wealth and land in the country.

Your argument basically ammounts to this...

"Im not responsible for an onion rising to the top, all I did was keep stirring the soup!!!".

[M.Dancer]

Of course, you don't respect hard work that feed people like you. You want take more advantage to take more wealth by "democracy" and "laws" for yourself so that you can enjoy happy life without work, am I right?

I could not say given I have no idea what you are refering to. What does Mao being responsible for the deaths of 20-30 million chinese have to do with respecting hard work...unless you are suggesting that murdering so many is hard work and worthy of respect.

[Jack Weber]

I could not say given I have no idea what you are refering to. What does Mao being responsible for the deaths of 20-30 million chinese have to do with respecting hard work...unless you are suggesting that murdering so many is hard work and worthy of respect.

Well..It's like this...

If you did'nt work hard for Mao,he had you killed..Pretty simple...

This is because,like all Communist leaders,Mao was a man of the people!!!

[GostHacked]

Wow this thread derailed in a hurry.

[Jack Weber]

Wow this thread derailed in a hurry.

Waht do you expect from an aparatchik of the crypto-Fascist Chinese...His threads always end up this way...

[bjre]

I could not say given I have no idea what you are refering to. What does Mao being responsible for the deaths of 20-30 million chinese have to do with respecting hard work...unless you are suggesting that murdering so many is hard work and worthy of respect.

You said: "Of course, that's a loyal slave's response."

When you talk about a slaves, your first intention was not to free them, your instinct was look down upon them. That is the reason I think you don't respect slave's hard work.

[M.Dancer]

You said: "Of course, that's a loyal slave's response."

When you talk about a slaves, your first intention was not to free them, your instinct was look down upon them. That is the reason I think you don't respect slave's hard work.

Incorrect, I do not respect a loyal slave's work.

[GostHacked]

Waht do you expect from an aparatchik of the crypto-Fascist Chinese...His threads always end up this way...

Well what do you expect when you feel obligated to reply to every post he makes?

I mean I thought I had interjected some pretty damn good thoughts about police/crime/education ... and he was the only one to recognize that I had some good thoughts. We can feed the trolls and idiots or we can marginalize them by not responding to every post they make.

It's not hard.

[PIK]

What we need is teachers that actually want to help kids and not spend most of their time looking for more money, less work and after all these years they are still crying about mike harris, get over it and get back to work teaching and quit whinning how oppressed you are.

[bjre]

Incorrect, I do not respect a loyal slave's work.

Read the novel "Gone with the wind", there are many loyal slaves there.

[Jack Weber]

Read the novel "Gone with the wind", there are many loyal slaves there.

There was also a war fought to liberate those slaves...

Your analogy is clueless...

[ToadBrother]

Lies, has something to do with CIA of course.

Keep denying it, our own little Maoist. Mao is responsible for more deaths than any other single human being in history. His preserved carcass should be dragged through the streets of Beijing, not celebrated like some bizarre god.

[Jack Weber]

Keep denying it, our own little Maoist. Mao is responsible for more deaths than any other single human being in history. His preserved carcass should be dragged through the streets of Beijing, not celebrated like some bizarre god.

Correct!!!

He easily leads Joe Stalin for sheer body count....

[bjre]

Keep denying it, our own little Maoist. Mao is responsible for more deaths than any other single human being in history. His preserved carcass should be dragged through the streets of Beijing, not celebrated like some bizarre god.

Keep lying, you didn't make it more look like a truth because there are already so huge amount of lies on this everywhere.

[GostHacked]

What we need is teachers that actually want to help kids and not spend most of their time looking for more money, less work and after all these years they are still crying about mike harris, get over it and get back to work teaching and quit whinning how oppressed you are.

I think you'd want to spend some time teaching before you say that kind of thing.

Teachers want to help kids, this is why they become teachers in the first place. And with the current set up, kids don't respect any authority (especially in a class room) so they don't respect the teacher, and they don't learn a damn thing in school. Then we wonder why there is a problem with our kids? A cop policing the school halls is not going to change this mentality, it's going to do exactly the opposite of what they say its intentions are.

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Kids need some kind of structure and they do need to be brought into line. We took that ability away from the teachers which makes them the so called whiners. Their ability to administer the class has been taken away which gives the kids that freedom to be as disruptive as they please without many consequences. So why do we need the cops again?

I had much respect for many of my teachers because they were not shy about throwing the banhammer down. Get out of my class, go see the principle. You are being disruptive, stop now or GTFO. I have seen it a couple times were the teacher gets quite pissed and turfs the kid out of the class for being a tool. The rest of us applauded and continued with the lesson at hand.

When we do this we are already setting them up for failure. The classroom almost looks like a prison. Metal detectors, pat downs, locker searches, all this is will just make them feel like a criminal when the majority of them have done nothing wrong to begin with.

I object 100% to having any police on a school property. Why do we need this, and how the hell did it come to this? Where have we failed as a society to facilitate this problem?

Edited August 19, 2010 by GostHacked

[M.Dancer]

Keep lying, you didn't make it more look like a truth because there are already so huge amount of lies on this everywhere.

I freed a thousand slaves I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves.

Harriet Tubman

[Smallc]

I object 100% to having any police on a school property. Why do we need this, and how the hell did it come to this? Where have we failed as a society to facilitate this problem?

What exactly do you think these police are for? They are there for a very positive purpose. Many youth are terrified of or hate police. Having them interact with the students every day is a great idea.

[Jack Weber]

I think you'd want to spend some time teaching before you say that kind of thing.

Teachers want to help kids, this is why they become teachers in the first place. And with the current set up, kids don't respect any authority (especially in a class room) so they don't respect the teacher, and they don't learn a damn thing in school. Then we wonder why there is a problem with our kids? A cop policing the school halls is not going to change this mentality, it's going to do exactly the opposite of what they say its intentions are.

* edit*

Kids need some kind of structure and they do need to be brought into line. We took that ability away from the teachers which makes them the so called whiners. Their ability to administer the class has been taken away which gives the kids that freedom to be as disruptive as they please without many consequences. So why do we need the cops again?

I had much respect for many of my teachers because they were not shy about throwing the banhammer down. Get out of my class, go see the principle. You are being disruptive, stop now or GTFO. I have seen it a couple times were the teacher gets quite pissed and turfs the kid out of the class for being a tool. The rest of us applauded and continued with the lesson at hand.

When we do this we are already setting them up for failure. The classroom almost looks like a prison. Metal detectors, pat downs, locker searches, all this is will just make them feel like a criminal when the majority of them have done nothing wrong to begin with.

I object 100% to having any police on a school property. Why do we need this, and how the hell did it come to this? Where have we failed as a society to facilitate this problem?

Your edit is spot on..I had this discussion wiht my stepson's principle last March after he had been in an"incident"...She said the biggest problem is that there is no fear of the strap anymore and they teachers are legally bound to soft pedal issues to keep from hurting the childs feelngs instead of dealing with them directly...Needless to say,she was very frusterated...

[GostHacked]

What exactly do you think these police are for? They are there for a very positive purpose. Many youth are terrified of or hate police. Having them interact with the students every day is a great idea.

I doubt it will be a positive experience for the kids. They seem to loath the cops and authority as it is, which is the reason they need cops in schools now. Irony? Having one in the school halls will not change that mentality one bit IMHO.

[Smallc]

I doubt it will be a positive experience for the kids. They seem to loath the cops and authority as it is, which is the reason they need cops in schools now. Irony? Having one in the school halls will not change that mentality one bit IMHO.

That's not what school resource officers are for. They aren't there to punish and investigate (unless there is something very serious). They're there to form relationships with the students and to foster understanding.