Prop 8 ruled unconstitutional.

[bloodyminded]

Not really. Proponents of marriage win all of the time. Opponents of marriage need activist judges to overturn the votes of millions of people.

This response makes some sense (though is still dubious) only if you take "the West" to mean "The United States."

Same sex marriage is legal in several countries now.

And according to a MacLean's poll, 70% of Canadians, for example, support it.

Even in the US, where support if approaching (if it hasn't yet surpassed) the 50% mark...this would not have been the case a generation ago.

So yes, opponents of same-sex marriage are fast losing in the West.

Oh...and supporters of ss marriage are not "opponents of marriage."

[Black Dog]

Dude almost any psychologist will tell you that have both a mother and a father is important to a child's psychological wellbeing. A boy growing up with two female "parents" would have no male role model, no father figure, similarly a girl with two male "parents".

Are you suggesting having an opposite sex role model is a key factor in determining how a child turns out? I wonder, because to me, it seems like children benefit first and foremost from stable, nurturing environments where the emotional and material needas are met

Now, personally, I'm all for letting gays marry if they want, and raise children if they want, but the claims being made here by certain proponents, that having both a mother and father is not beneficial, are ridiculous.

No one claimed that at all. Again, the statement in dispute is this:

But a child having two paretns, man and woman, DOES IN FACT lead to children being well-adjusted more of the time.