Special Powers for the Police at the G20

[William Ashley]

bunch of smoke.

Why not just bring the security check point 5 meters within the security perimiter or extend the perimiter by 5 meters.

this is all stupidity.

The arrest situation for "breach of the police" shoulnd't have been for failing to provide identity documents.

It is rather sad, and hopefully not a sign of the future.

[Born Free]

Read the OP once more to understand what I am talking about.

I was actually commentimng on your last post. I think your position on this matter ranks about as meaningful as a 9/11 truthers view of the world.

[GostHacked]

I was actually commentimng on your last post. I think your position on this matter ranks about as meaningful as a 9/11 truthers view of the world.

Go read the articles I posted if you have not already. The information is staring you in the face between a couple different articles. The police did not inform the public and clarify the laws/regulations in which they administered the area around the fence. People were detained and arrested and searched illegally.

Peoples rights were violated, and no one gives a shit. Very sad.

[Argus]

If you wanna show up at a protest rally that has a historical reputaion of provoking violence, looting, property destruction, etc... ya better be prepared for the consequences of that decision. Shit happens...the cops are not the bad guys here.

You're mistaken. From what I can determine, the police response ranged from incompetence to thuggish brutality. Something about putting cops together in large groups makes them act like any other gang; their worst traits reinforced by an us against them mentality.

“I fell back down and my daughter yelled out, ‘Give him time. He’s an amputee.’ I guess the police thought I was taking too long ... then all of a sudden the police were on top of me.”

Mr. Pruyn claims his head was kept on the ground by an officer digging a knee into his left temple while other officers yanked at his arms.

“One of them was yelling, ‘You’re resisting arrest’, but I wasn’t resisting anything. I couldn’t move.”

Police yank off man's prosthetic limb

[GostHacked]

Argus, thanks for that article. Wow, they did that to an amputee??

I do agree with your mob-mentality. The cops also showed this behavior. They are trained in a cop-mob-mentality. All citizens are the enemy when it comes to these events. And that does not sit well with me either.

To serve and protect. Who are they serving and who are they protecting?

[Argus]

Argus, thanks for that article. Wow, they did that to an amputee??

I do agree with your mob-mentality. The cops also showed this behavior. They are trained in a cop-mob-mentality. All citizens are the enemy when it comes to these events. And that does not sit well with me either.

To serve and protect. Who are they serving and who are they protecting?

David Warren - not exactly a bleeding heart liberal - had a similar column. There was one particular paragraph which showed how mindless police could be in numbers.

I noticed a politely dressed young lady walk up to them, probably asking for street directions around the demonstration. She was alone, and offered no conceivable threat. She was immediately thrown back, as if she had touched an electric fence. I saw an old gentleman, likewise, pushed over. When he shouted, "What the hell did you do that for?" several of the riot police chanted in unison, "Keep moving." One added, "This is not a joke."

If I were designing crowd control for a G20 the cops would be in jumpsuits and ball caps, and unarmed. You can keep the riot equipped cops back in case there is a riot. And there was no riot here, no need for those cops to be dressed up like Darth Vader's stormtroopers. They could have done their jobs much better in jumpsuits - with large, distinctive numbers on their chests so they could be identified later at need.

[GostHacked]

http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2010/07/06/g20-police-review611.html

Calls for independent investigations into the way the police acted during the summit.

Vaughan said "we'll be looking for people outside the police service board to conduct that review because I think the public wants independence on this."

Civil liberties groups, protesters and journalists have called for a public inquiry in the wake of the police handling of the G20 protests June 26-27. Some protesters acted violently, vandalizing downtown storefronts and setting two police cruisers alight.

More than 900 people were arrested during the protests over the weekend.

Criticism was especially strong of police tactics on the evening of June 27, in which about 500 people were hemmed in by hundreds of riot police at the intersection of Queen Street West and Spadina Avenue for several hours in the pouring rain.

This is a picture from the a near by roof top showing protesters being surrounded by police at Queen Street West and Spadina Avenue. A few kilometers from the fence.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2010/07/06/g20-bail.html

Because of a publication ban, no details of the proceedings can be reported.

Over 900 people arrested, only 15 are waiting trial.

[GostHacked]

David Warren - not exactly a bleeding heart liberal - had a similar column. There was one particular paragraph which showed how mindless police could be in numbers....

Got a link for that article? I'd like to read it.

[bjre]

Over 900 people arrested, only 15 are waiting trial.

I wonder if the laws for the 15 arrested people are picked that has nothing to do with the protest or only because they try to not be arrested as a result that caused by the rude behaviour of the cops.

[GostHacked]

I wonder if the laws for the 15 arrested people are picked that has nothing to do with the protest or only because they try to not be arrested as a result that caused by the rude behaviour of the cops.

Some may have nothing to do with the protests, it's possible. They could very well be legally detained for other reasons.

Over a billion spent on the security and only about 1% of the total number of people detained, are awaiting a trial of some type. Over 900 detained/arrested/searched, and only 15 people are going to trial. With that said, the one ruling states that a cops word will be taken as fact during the trial. So they may not have much of a hope during the trial.

[GostHacked]

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/07/05/f-video-g20-detained-profiles.html

The videos are messed up, there is an ad in the middle of it and you can't pause that and the video blacks out after the ad. It could be a matter of the webmasters and content uploaders are the worst around or it could be done on purpose.

I've found another article on CTV http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20100629/g20-arrests-toronto-100629/20100629/ There does not seem to be many articles about the protests/arrests after the Summit has ended.

TORONTO — The expiration of the five-metre rule that had Toronto residents fearing arrest if they strayed too close to the G20 security perimeter came with a startling revelation Tuesday -- it never existed.

The rule seemed straight forward when the news broke last Friday that the Ontario government made a regulatory change to a little-known act in secret.

Come within five metres of the summit security fence and you'd better have some identification or risk arrest.

The temporary regulation, which was passed in secret June 2, did decree that all streets and sidewalks inside the fence were a public work until 11:59 p.m. Monday. Under the Ontario Public Works Protection Act, that allowed police to search people trying to enter that area.

But there was no power to search people coming within five metres of the fence, said ministry spokeswoman Laura Blondeau.

[bjre]

The positive side of this incident is, more people can realize more about the hypocritical nature of the western system. This becomes possible in the time when everyone has a camera.

Edited July 7, 2010 by bjre

[Moonbox]

The arrests and violence at the G20 were a lie made by communist Chinese officials looking to smear Western government. It didn't happen. All video footage is fabricated and the protests were peaceful and fair.

Do not believe Chinese lies.

[Argus]

Got a link for that article? I'd like to read it.

How Not to Enforce Order

[GostHacked]

How Not to Enforce Order

I liked the comparison to the pro-life protest, where no violence happened, and was not reported in the news. The MSM is obviously selective in the information they want to cover and broadcast.

However I don't understand this:

This is hardly the fault of the police alone. The whole network of leftist "rights groups" which we encourage with public subsidies, and a court system willing to entertain frivolous charges, makes this kind of politically correct police strategy inevitable.

I don't understand how this is a politically correct strategy. I also don't understand how it is inevitable.

The authorities are intimidated by the agitprop specialists, which is why they installed video cameras all over the Eastern Avenue detention centre: to protect themselves from false charges of "police brutality

Apparently those cameras are in the process of being removed. But the police are already aware of the thousands of other cameras being manned by news organizations and the protesters themselves, which has clearly shown police brutality, which should lead to charges on some police as well.

However he does not go into how the law was misinterpreted and the public mislead on what the law actually meant in terms of the summit and securing the area around the fence. That would help out his article and really back up the title of the article.

[bjre]

The arrests and violence at the G20 were a lie made by communist Chinese officials looking to smear Western government. It didn't happen. All video footage is fabricated and the protests were peaceful and fair.

It does not matter if the violence is true or not, it is far away from the protests. The mass arrest of peaceful protesters tells how hypocritical politicians are when they talk about human right and blame other countries.

Do not believe Chinese lies.

No one can block you from trusting to Canadian lies.

Edited July 7, 2010 by bjre

[Argus]

I don't understand how this is a politically correct strategy. I also don't understand how it is inevitable.

I think his point was that some senior cops decided that, rather than snatch these black clad types the instant they put on masks - for fear of being accused of suppressing legitimate protest - the police stood by and did nothing until the black clad types smashed windows. I suppose that might have been a consideration but to my mind not a legitimate one. It was made clear well in advance that anyone wearing a disguise or mask was liable to immediate arrest, and with so many police they could easily have accompanied all the marches in large numbers and seized these people as soon as they started donning black clothes and masks. I don't think there'd have been many serious protests.

But while their bad planning was responsible for allowing all the news to be taken up by these punks burning a few cars and smashing a few windows, the real crime was in massively overpreparing for violence that was never going to happen, and in then abusing their numbers to arrest anyone and everyone that looked at them crosswise, be they clearly harmless journalists with credentials, or middle aged, amputee labour protestors sitting on the grass. The whole thing was a massive screwup from beginning to end.

[Moonbox]

It does not matter if the violence is true or not, it is far away from the protests. The mass arrest of peaceful protesters tells how hypocritical politicians are when they talk about human right and blame other countries.

No arrests happened. It is all lie of Chinese propaganda machine. Like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989

No one can block you from trusting to Canadian lies.

Nobody can block you from Chinese propaganda.

[msdogfood]

No problem. This is something that is really bothering me and many seem apathetic towards having their rights eroded away bit by bit, until it happens to them.

TheLastCanadian

We do have the right to protest, we do have the right to be heard. We do have the right to assemble. If you look at the history of the G8 and G20 meetings in other countries, they seem way more pissed about this than we are. But yet, we can't make our voices heard. These are meetings to take these countries in a direction where the citizens have no say and no control. Yes, essentially giving our sovereignty away. This is happening in all countries belonging to the G8 and G20.

Peoples rights were violated with a law that never existed in the first place. I am not surprised this thread has not gotten more posts/replies, does this show how apathetic people are? To me this is a huge deal and just the tip of the iceberg. It's been happening all over but we see it now because it happened in Canada.

Part of it is most people do NOT know how to understand law!!!

[bjre]

No arrests happened. It is all lie of Chinese propaganda machine. Like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=15677&view=findpost&p=501433

The lies go to everywhere and stay there because at that time, not everyone has a camera, most people don't have an easy to carry camera (especially the build in cellphone kind) in 1989.

This is also the reason for many Canadian lies, lies will become more and more difficult stay there because of the small camera become popular and because of the internet technologies. Google will be the new barrier if no many competitors from different countries if let it become larger and control the internet information just like big businesses control the traditional media.

[Moonbox]

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=15677&view=findpost&p=501433

The lies go to everywhere and stay there because at that time, not everyone has a camera, most people don't have an easy to carry camera (especially the build in cellphone kind) in 1989.

Yes. Made government of China much easier to cover up the massacre of its own people. They very lucky no cellphone cameras back then.

[bjre]

Yes. Made government of China much easier to cover up the massacre of its own people. They very lucky no cellphone cameras back then.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3tzw6gKRz4

[GostHacked]

Yes. Made government of China much easier to cover up the massacre of its own people. They very lucky no cellphone cameras back then.

This is not about China, so I ask you to stop.

[GostHacked]

I think his point was that some senior cops decided that, rather than snatch these black clad types the instant they put on masks - for fear of being accused of suppressing legitimate protest - the police stood by and did nothing until the black clad types smashed windows. I suppose that might have been a consideration but to my mind not a legitimate one. It was made clear well in advance that anyone wearing a disguise or mask was liable to immediate arrest, and with so many police they could easily have accompanied all the marches in large numbers and seized these people as soon as they started donning black clothes and masks. I don't think there'd have been many serious protests.

But while their bad planning was responsible for allowing all the news to be taken up by these punks burning a few cars and smashing a few windows, the real crime was in massively overpreparing for violence that was never going to happen, and in then abusing their numbers to arrest anyone and everyone that looked at them crosswise, be they clearly harmless journalists with credentials, or middle aged, amputee labour protestors sitting on the grass. The whole thing was a massive screwup from beginning to end.

Ahh, that makes much more sense. And I agree with you on all your points. Like a billion dollar security budget was not enough to save a couple police cruisers or shop windows. Overprepared, but not effective in stopping any of the violence when it happened. Instead the heavy hand was thrown down the next day and this is where we see most of the protesters being arrested.

Some violence was going to happen regardless, and this is at almost every protest out there. The violence really does not solve anything in my view.

[bebe]

I think his point was that some senior cops decided that, rather than snatch these black clad types the instant they put on masks - for fear of being accused of suppressing legitimate protest - the police stood by and did nothing until the black clad types smashed windows. I suppose that might have been a consideration but to my mind not a legitimate one. It was made clear well in advance that anyone wearing a disguise or mask was liable to immediate arrest, and with so many police they could easily have accompanied all the marches in large numbers and seized these people as soon as they started donning black clothes and masks. I don't think there'd have been many serious protests.

It's very mysterious that they weren't arrested when donning masks, or before. The police and CSIS have been badmouthing and harassing anarchists for months ... but they didn't arrest them ... ??? Very strange.

Of course, it is possible that the ones donning masks were all police agentes provocateurs. Let's not forget ... the ONLY 'protester' at the Quebec summit (2001?) who threatened and tried to instigate trouble was ... wait for it ... a black clad undercover RCMP.

Yes, it will be a very 'mysterious' thing if none of the troublemakers, the so-called Black Bloc Anarchists were arrested and charged.

Very 'mysterious' indeed!! (NOT!)